Bernie's In

Actually, though, I have trouble getting that you "think" that!

Someone who agrees with Frank.
Frank Luntz Despairs: Bernie Sanders And Donald Trump Are Leading The "Disruption Election
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/08/10/frank_luntz_despairs_bernie_sanders_and_donald_trump_are_leading_the_disruption_election.html

Pollster Frank Luntz breathlessly tells CBS This Morning about how he is now calling 2016 the "disruption election." "It is not about issues, it is about tonality, and the public seems to be responding to those who are the sharpest, most divisive, most outwardly negative about the system," he continues.

Luntz has led the charge to discredit Donald Trump by publicly declaring his campaign "dead" multiple times.

FRANK LUNTZ: Imagine, Bernie Sanders, he is drawing more than 10,000 people per appearance, which is significant for an avowed socialist, and yet he is booed off the stage by African American activists, it is unexpected.

And you look at the Trump situation, where he can say just about anything, and it doesn't seem to affect his support.

It is not about issues, it is about tonality, and the public seems to be responding to those who are the sharpest, most divisive, most outwardly negative about the system.

CHARLIE ROSE, CBS: How do we change it, Frank?

LUNTZ: It is going to get worse, not better...

Candidates are being rewarded for it, people who protest Bernie Sanders get tremendous publicity...

This guy could win in Iowa and New Hampshire, and we have always assumed that Hillary Clinton would be the nominee.

And on the Republican side, Trump now has a base that will stay with him, 15-20% of Republicans, stay with him no matter what he does.

Imagine, who would have thought you could criticize George Will, Charles Krauthammer, Megyn Kelly, he has gone after me for calling me a "duntz."

If my mom was alive, she would have ridiculed him, my mother spent a lot of money spending me to Oxford.

Of course they can shift, snood. However, there is no precedent for such a shift any time in US history. Have people made leaps at this point in the race to pull within 20 points and then fallen back? Hundreds of times. Does that mean Bernie can't be the first to come from this far back? No, but it is not very probable.

This may be the first time that someone has led by this much this early who is not a sitting President.

Johnson said she and her group have not disrupted any Hillary rallies because “Hillary has better Secret Service than Obama.”

“She’s doing these private dinners that are invite-only,” agreed Gandi. “It’s positively ludicrous for people to think that these activists would not be protesting Hillary if they could get to her.”

“The work that I do in particular is agitation work,” Johnson said, when asked why she never contacted the Sanders campaign to ask for a spot in the rally’s program. “People are having these conversations, people are forced to do their own work and do their own reforms because of work that I’ve done on the ground.”

“Well, what would you say to the people who say that you’re hurting your cause?” White asked.

“I don’t give a **** about the white gaze,” Johnson replied. “I don’t. I literally don’t.”

When asked about her admission that she once supported former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R), Johnson explained that her parents, an interracial couple, are Tea Party supporters and that she was a supporter of the former vice presidential candidate when she was a high schooler in 2008.

“Clearly that’s not where I am, because people leave high school and go to college and [change their views],” she explained, adding that she was a “devout evangelical Christian.”

“So, yes, I did run up there and confront Bernie Sanders because of my religious conviction, absolutely. Are they right-wing religious convictions? No.”


http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/marissa-janae-johnson-doesnt-give-a-fck-if-protest-at-seattle-bernie-sanders-rally-drives-people-away/#.Vcps3BuR2EI.facebook

Yeah. Gotcha. Stats say it's highly unlikely. 10-4. Understood.
I've not been espousing a Sanders ascension is likely.
I've only pushed back a bit against the lofty, sage-like proclamations that it's an impossibility that only fools or madmen would support.

I also believe that he can win. Regardless - he's started a grass root movement for a new political era that can do without mud slinging and
lobbyists financing. Alone for that he deserves our utmost respect.

He's definitely won my respect in the last month.

What does he do after a big night? He goes outside to talk to those who couldn't get in.

Then he walks on the lake to his waiting green energy car

Wow! I didn't know he could do that.

Bernie Sanders surges ahead of Hillary Clinton in N.H., 44-37
Source: Boston Herald

Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders has rocketed past longtime front-runner Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire, a stunning turn in a race once considered a lock for the former secretary of state, a new Franklin Pierce University/Boston Herald poll shows.

Sanders leads Clinton 44-37 percent among likely Democratic primary voters, the first time the heavily favored Clinton has trailed in the 2016 primary campaign, according to the poll of 442 Granite-Staters.

Vice President Joe Biden got 9 percent support in the test primary match-up. The other announced Democrats in the race, former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley, former Rhode Island Gov. Lincoln Chafee and former Virginia Gov. Jim Webb, barely register at 1 percent or below.

The live interview phone poll was conducted Aug. 7-10 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.7 percentage points.





Read more: http://www.bostonherald.com/news_opinion/us_politics/2015/08/bernie_sanders_surges_ahead_of_hillary_clinton_in_nh_44_37

It's premature to claim the victory, but his surge is growing stronger.

The fact that a few A2K "rightists" (or non-leftist, eg Hawkeye or Roger) seem interested in his candidacy gives a tiny indication that Bernie could have a broad appeal to the disenchanted on both sides of the polical aisle. In an atmosphere if suspicion for "the system", he might draw more votes in the general election than a centrist candidate, precisely because he is an outsider challenging the system, with credibility. Trump is in the same position but has less credibility.

And to Frank's "commie" argument, the same argument could and probably will be used against Hillary if she gets the nomination: she will be branded as a dangerous leftist too.

I dont know that Sanders appeals to the Right, I have certainly not claimed to be a right winger. I have for a decade claimed to be a Zen Socialist so it should not be shocking that a lot of the policy Sanders advocates would appeal to me. His understanding of economics is about zilch however, which would be a huge problem if he got the POTUS chair.

Sanders is a career mostly failed politician and policy wonk on the far Left . Trump is a demagogue political amateur who runs pretty far to the Right. I dont think they will share many supporters, but both of their successes are due mostly to our increasing hostility towards the elite, not anything that they themselves bring to the table. We like anyone the elite hates.

Another thing that this represents is the increasing collapse of the American Political center. It is difficult to see how this nation works together to get anything done in the foreseeable future.

TO me Trump/Sanders would be perfect. I cant tell you who I would vote for. However I am a radical from way back, you cant take me as a normal American.

I kinda agree there -- eg not sure about how wise it would be to raise the minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour... Not that I'm any good at economics but raising the minimum wage year after year hasn't done the French job market any good, me think. But Sanders is smart and courageous enough to go after the filthy rich and I'm A-okay with that.

To me, Trump is just an American Berlusconi, a wind-bag and a crook. A good crook though, as Berlusconi was, so he could get elected if he manages to fool enough people.

I have not seen that said at A2k but I have seen that said by smart people on the national stage. And I think a Trump presidency would likely have about the same result as Berlusconi had in Italy, which was of course pretty negative and not helpful. I could still vote for him if I thought it would light a fire under the elite. I think that Trump lives by a moral code and is not a crook, but with the recent efforts of prosecutors to put politicians on charges I dont figure it would take long for the elite to get Trump charged with something.

He's my daddio with the mostest. I adore him. I have pics of him walking on water... Enormous sea turtles showed up and gave him a ride.

Why huge Los Angeles crowd turned out for Bernie Sanders

http://www.trbimg.com/img-55c98a65/turbine/la-2435477-me-0810-bernie-mwy-0174-jpg-20150810/900/900x506

Marilynn Manderscheid is a retired elementary school teacher who drove from Orange County to hear Sanders speak Monday night. She said that despite polls that show Sanders trailing Clinton, she believes he's a serious challenger.

"I remember when John F. Kennedy won when everyone said a Catholic couldn't possibly be elected. I walked precincts for Barack Obama when people said a mixed-race man could not win but he did," Manderscheid said. "So, yes, I think Bernie — if he sticks to his message — will have a strong chance at winning the primary."

Ledbetter, the 17-year-old, said she thought Sanders was taking the right approach to women's rights issues and income inequality.

"He's the first candidate I've really felt a resonance with," added Ledbetter, who said she had followed politics since she was 10.

Streety, of Orange County, said she had been discouraged by politics and had stopped voting. She didn't cast a ballot during the last presidential election.

"I was politically stagnant," she said. "I felt like my vote didn't count."

But she said Sanders had resurrected her faith in elections. She was also moved by the young faces in the crowd.

"These kids are elated. I can feel it," Streety said. "These kids are going to vote."



http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-sanders-california-20150811-story.html#page=1
(Lots more good photos of the event in the article also)

Sanders and Trump positions are not compatible, if they do attract the disaffected. I see no political future for Trump. Bernie is still up in the air, so far as winning the nomination. Trump would be a disaster. Bernie of course is my chosen boy of destiny.