Bernie's In

I don't think of the BLM people as glory seekers so much as enthusiastic youngsters feeling their oats.

@snood,

snood wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:

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The whole thing seems hinky. Going after the one person who actually seems to have any interest in their concern is odd.

not if you are part of a group with a lot of idiots and little/no leadership. The idea that this is about Hillary is far fetched. This was almost certainly a small number of idiots who dont believe in democracy or reason who thought that they were promoting their cause through force.

Or just wanted to see their face in USA Today.

They dont care about papers, I know these people well enough to know this. But they get a lot of cool content for their facebooks, or what ever social media they are on. They get to feel like leaders, even if they dont have the first damn clue what is going on. I think these are the kinds of people the CHristopher Hitchens repeatedly called damn fools, after his attempts to talk to on line liberal activists of the sort at Moveon.org proved to him that they did not have much of any knowledge rattling around their brains.

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

I don't think of the BLM people as glory seekers so much as enthusiastic youngsters feeling their oats.

with as much work as they put into publishing their adventures/exploits online I doubt it.

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

I don't think of the BLM people as glory seekers so much as enthusiastic youngsters feeling their oats.

Even some of the participants in the movement say its kind of a leaderless movement. Stands to reason some hotheads would try to grab the reins sometimes.

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@snood,

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Stands to reason some hotheads would try to grab the reins sometimes.

Stands to reason that drug abusers might rob my house to support their habit, but I am still going to do the right thing when my rights have been trampled upon, when they rob me. Their drug use, the BLM movement choosing to have very weak to no leadership, are both not my fault nor my responsibility. My responsibility is to protect my rights, and the rights of others.

Why have you not talked about the rights of the 5000 people who showed up to hear Bernie Sanders?

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@hawkeye10,

I think the main difference between me and other people in this thread is that given my life experience I have zero tolerance for abusive acts committed by those who claim the victim label for themselves. I operate on rights and boundaries, all transgressions must be judged to be wrong, the motivations of the offender DO NOT MATTER.

This is the only way a civilized society can function. THis is the only way we can break the abuser/victim cycle.

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I agree it was wrong for the BLM to destroy Bernie Sanders speech about issue which are important and ironically enough would have mattered to them if they bothered to listen.

However, throwing out the baby with bathwater is no solution by saying members of the BLM movement are jut throwing their wild oats or something. There was and still is a reason for the movement, well organized or not. Bernie Sanders was going to address those very reasons, I hope he gets another chance.

We do this for Mike Brown': Ferguson is a wound that won’t heal

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

I agree it was wrong for the BLM to destroy Bernie Sanders speech about issue which are important and ironically enough would have mattered to them if they bothered to listen.

However, throwing out the baby with bathwater is no solution by saying members of the BLM movement are jut throwing their wild oats or something. There was and still is a reason for the movement, well organized or not. Bernie Sanders was going to address those very reasons, I hope he gets another chance.

We do this for Mike Brown': Ferguson is a wound that won’t heal

You still cant bring yourself to say that these two anti democracy thugs were wrong, can you.....2 people got in the way of what 5000 people were trying to do, had every right to do, you cant let that go without condemnation if you are a decent person. It did not matter what Bernie Sanders was going to say or not say, it does not matter what they or other people with dark skin have been through, they had no right to prevent him from speaking.

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Nobody here has disparaged the BLM. We are just discussing the disruption of Sanders campaign.

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

Nobody here has disparaged the BLM. We are just discussing the disruption of Sanders campaign.

Not me, I am disparaging what according to news accounts are two anti democracy thugs. What groups they belong to appears to matter a great deal to them, but not to me. I am not going to pre judge the entire BLM group/mob based upon this one attack upon the collective. If we keep seeing BLM people attacking the collective I will however start doing so.

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Bernie in Seattle

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@edgarblythe,

Looks to me like he advertised a Jerry Garcia Revival Concert to a bunch of Deadheads. That always draws a good crowd.

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I forgot to mention: He addressed a crowd of 3,000 outside before he went in.

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@edgarblythe,

That is exciting, but the lack of racial diversity in those crowds is pretty striking. He is going to have to change that in the near future.

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@maxdancona,

A short look at his website shows the problem

https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/

While he subscribes to the victim story well enough he comes up very short on the promises of candy handouts. He goes on and on about justice and fairness, but you cant party on that, and he never once says that minorities make America great.

Hillary will.

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A Bernie quote from yesterday:
Bernie Sanders: Nobody Will Fight Harder To End Racism And Injustice Than Me

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@hawkeye10,

I don't share your point of view Hawkeye. Bernie is saying the right thing. The debates with Clinton on these topics will be interesting.

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Portland set the record tonight. Including the 9,000 who couldn’t get in the doors, an astonishing 28,000 people showed up for our rally. We began this campaign all of three and a half months ago and the momentum has been nothing less than extraordinary. This campaign is sending a message to the billionaire class: Yes we do have the guts to take you on! They may have unlimited sums of money, but we have a united people.

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