hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 9 Aug, 2015 10:21 pm
@edgarblythe,
With Bernie Sanders on the Left and Donald Trump on the Right the elite have no choice but to take notice. They fended off the Tea Party but at some point they are going down.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 10 Aug, 2015 03:04 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

I don't share your point of view Hawkeye. Bernie is saying the right thing. The debates with Clinton on these topics will be interesting.




They will be interesting.

But anyone who wants to see a progressive agenda have a chance in this country right now...who hopes that Sanders is on the Dem ticket...simply is not thinking things through.

The biggest mistake the Dems could make this election is to select someone like Sanders or Warren...for first or second spot on the ticket.

I understand the frustration motivating this stuff...but anyone hoping Sanders is on the Dem ticket is helping the furthest extreme right agenda.
Lash
 
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Reply Mon 10 Aug, 2015 03:39 am
@edgarblythe,
It is thrilling, isn't it!! Time for me to send a little money.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 10 Aug, 2015 03:42 am
@Frank Apisa,
But seriously, lets hope it is Trump/Sanders.

http://www.libertystickers.com/static/images/A-little-rebellion-now-and-then.gif
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 10 Aug, 2015 03:58 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
But seriously, lets hope it is Trump/Sanders.


Supporters of both...don't realize how closely aligned they are!

Let them revel in their...whatever.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 10 Aug, 2015 05:19 am
@Frank Apisa,
Closely aligned how and on what issues?
revelette2
 
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Reply Mon 10 Aug, 2015 06:13 am
@Frank Apisa,
I agree with you a lot of the times, but I just don't see why you think being a man or woman who believes in the progressive agenda is so destined to fail. I think he has as much chance as Hillary. I do think he should hire much better staff to control his crowds better if he wants to be heard.

I just kind of seeing our party imploding from the justified anger of the BLM who seem to be getting out of control and losing their message in the process.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 10 Aug, 2015 01:06 pm

Robert Reich
59 mins ·
I continue to be amazed at (1) the crowds Bernie Sanders is drawing and (2) the lack of coverage of these crowds by the major media.
No candidate in primary elections going back to Robert Kennedy in 1968 has drawn anything close to these numbers of people, and no primary candidate in memory has drawn these sorts of crowds months before the primaries and caucuses even begin. The reason isn't Bernie Sander's youthful good looks or his wit or his Brooklyn/Vermont accent. It's because he's speaking to what's on the minds of millions of Americans today -- the fundamental unfairness of a political-economic system that rewards the few and penalizes the many, because that system is rigged by the few and unresponsive to the many. That system can't be changed through attractive-sounding policies. It can only be changed through a political movement that reclaims the power of the vast majority -- and the crowds showing up for Bernie Sanders are part of that movement.
But any movement that seeks to change the structure of power in America is threatening to those in power -- including the major media, its sponsors and patrons, and the Washington insiders whom the Washington-based media are most familiar with. All want to see the Sanders campaign as a passing phenomenon, so the crowds it's drawing and the movement it's fomenting aren't reported on.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 10 Aug, 2015 01:22 pm
@edgarblythe,
True, but the media has long been held in very low regards, we have not for awhile expected to hear the truth from them. And they simply matter far less than they used to, the days where they could be the gate keepers of information got rubbed out with the internet and smart phones.

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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 10 Aug, 2015 01:32 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Closely aligned how and on what issues?


On picking losers.

Respectfully as possible...Trump and Sanders are both losers...and their supporters are closely aligned insofar as they disregard the "loser" aspect...or consider it unimportant.

Although if Trump and Sanders ran against each other...one of them would probably win. (If Trump and Sanders ran against each other, I think a third party candidate might just win.)
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 10 Aug, 2015 01:42 pm
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

I agree with you a lot of the times, but I just don't see why you think being a man or woman who believes in the progressive agenda is so destined to fail. I think he has as much chance as Hillary. I do think he should hire much better staff to control his crowds better if he wants to be heard.


Revelette...anything can happen, but I would bet the ranch that Sanders has less chance of winning a presidential contest in this country than even Donald Trump.

Our country is simply not ready for someone perceived to have his kind of political sensibilities...not even close to ready.

In my opinion, Sanders would be beaten by almost anyone on that Republican clown car.

It is your right to disagree...and obviously you do...just as reasonable, intelligent others here do. I am just speaking my mind.

If Hillary Clinton is not the nominee...I have no problem. I will be able to vote for the person who wins the Dem spot no matter who it is...and WILL.

But if that person is Bernie Sanders, I will cast my vote absolutely convinced that I am voting for a person who be defeated in a LANDSLIDE.

Bernie Sanders is a disaster in the making for the Democrats...for the SCOTUS...and for the progressive agenda. A total disaster!






edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 10 Aug, 2015 02:04 pm
Remember where you heard it first: When the next quarterly campaign finance reports are released in October the political world will be shocked by the breathtaking increase in small donor money to the Sanders campaign.
http://observer.com/2015/08/a-bernie-sanders-shocker-is-coming/
When the last quarterly reports were announced in July and Sanders campaign had raised $10.5 million from small donors giving less than $200. The Washington Post story on this report was headlined: “The Bernie Sanders campaign, brought to you by small-dollar donors.” If the major media and political worlds were surprised by the summer surge in support for Sanders, the increasingly huge crowds for his campaign appearances and his impressive small donor numbers in the past, they will be shocked and stunned by the humongous surge in small donors to Sanders that will be announced for the current quarter. Everything happens for a reason, and the reason for the Sanders crowds and small donor surge is this: The coming political revolution that is caused by the explosion of social media combined with the waves of progressive grassroots enthusiasm and action that is widely ignored and disrespected by old-style political pundits opining on old-style broadcast media but is exploding throughout the social media world that is powerfully underestimated by those who meet the press and face the nation. This is why I was one of the first to predict that Mr. Sanders has a very strong chance of achieving an outright victory in the Iowa Democratic caucus. Look at the Sanders Facebook page; count the crowds tomorrow from events promoted on his Facebook page today; watch the huge small donor surge that will stun the political world in October; and imagine the turnout in Iowa and other caucus states when the Sanders Facebook page posts the addresses of the caucus meetings and how, when Sanders builds it, they will come. Fox News may be the Babe Ruth of cable television politics, but is a small potatoes minor leaguer compared to the progressive equivalent of the invasion of Normandy by the young people and liberals and progressives and idealists who are storming the beaches of American politics like tens of millions of little liberal Koch brothers who want to take America back from corruptions of big money and the stench of politics as usual and the arrogance and insiderism of political oligarchs and their mouthpieces and hired help. In July I had a fascinating two hour conversation with Jenny Ta, a superstar West Coast social media entrepreneur and founder of Sqeeqee who predicted—and I entirely agree—that social media has begun to assume the politically powerful and profoundly game-changing role that television assumed with the Kennedy-Nixon debates in 1960. As Ms. Ta and I discussed, social media empowers the individual man and woman—not network television executives or cable television pundits—to determine the ideas and values they want to discuss, debate and share. Even Wall Street is beginning to agree. This explains the recent mini-crash of old media stocks because of the well-taken fear of investors of a mass migration of eyeballs away from old media that wants to force-feed media product that fewer consumers want to buy, toward social media and new media that empowers citizens to decide what entertainment they want to enjoy, which political causes they choose to support, and what ideas they want to share. This is why I have done everything short of staging a hunger strike to urge Hillary Clinton and her team to shed their caution and old media and old politics thinking and be bold and daring and speak to the real aspirations of real people in a real politics. In the end, voters will not care a whit about the email obsessions of the hyper-partisan right, but they will care a lot about whether Hillary speaks to them with clarity and conscience and authenticity in her way—as Bernie Sanders does today in his way. The media visionary Marshall McCluhan said brilliantly at the dawn of television that the medium is the message. But McCluhan is dead and the age of television dominance is beginning to die before our eyes. What matters today is that the media and the message are fused together in the open and sharing communities we call social media, and not the closed shop of insider pundits regurgitating talking points on insider old media. True politics is not a television show but a battle of ideas between alternative futures for America, offered by competing candidates and parties, in the marketplace of public opinion. I have done everything short of staging a hunger strike to urge Hillary Clinton and her team to shed their caution and old media and old politics Watching the Republican debates, and the firestorm of Republican reaction to those debates, what exactly are the ideas the GOP offers? We know Republicans despise President Obama. We know Republicans are now transferring their politics of personal destruction from obsessive attacks against President Obama to obsessive attacks against Hillary Clinton. We know Republicans pore over every nugget about the Clinton emails and every leak from partisan GOP committees in Congress like Talmudic scholars reading ancient scrolls. Yet not a word of GOP attacks against Obama or Clinton, or against other Republicans, offer any hint of how they would make life better for Americans if they were brought to power. Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders calls for a free public college education for American young people, financed by a tiny tax on trading transactions on Wall Street. Meanwhile, while the GOP wages its obsessive war against Obamacare, and would rip away the insurance of Americans with pre-existing conditions and children now covered by the policies of their parents, Bernie Sanders calls for the one true and powerful healthcare reform of a single-payer and Medicare for All system that has worked wonders for leading democratic nations around the world. While the GOP debates pit Republicans who want to cut Social Security against Republicans who want to privatize Social Security and make the most successful government program in history a new profit center for Wall Street, Bernie Sanders wants to increase social security benefits for Americans. When 15,000 people cheer Mr. Sanders in Seattle and 28,000 people are brought to their feet by Mr. Sanders in Portland they are applauding the causes he champions, the values he believes in, and the future for America he battles for. Let Republicans battle over taxpayer-financed Congressional inquisitions in Washington, and the history of emails, and their low regard for each other, and whatever they battled over during their last debate. Bernie Sanders is battling for genuinely affordable college education, and truly universal healthcare, and a more fair and prosperous economy, and greater social justice, and an end to the corruptions of politics in Washington, and a better life for Americans who will cast their votes on election day. The gigantic rise in crowds is a Bernie Sanders shocker that remains unnoticed by the bastions of old media and old politics, but the probable humongous surge in Bernie Sanders small donors that will be revealed in October could be a Mt. Vesuvius earthquake event that will make today’s political media freak show coverage a distant memory. Elizabeth Warren Slams Confidentiality of Sputtering Trans Pacific Partnership Deal Read more at http://observer.com/2015/08/a-bernie-sanders-shocker-is-coming/#ixzz3iRbwtMiC Follow us: @observer on Twitter | Observer on Facebook Read more at: http://tr.im/iarc1
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 10 Aug, 2015 02:10 pm
Bernie Sanders Nabs Endorsement From National Nurses' Union
National Nurses United gets behind Clinton's top challenger. "He's about building a social movement for humanistic change," the union's director says.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 10 Aug, 2015 03:37 pm
Disaster looming for Democrat Party...for SCOTUS...and for the vestiges of the progressive agenda.

Self-immolation by people who should know better!
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 10 Aug, 2015 03:57 pm
@Frank Apisa,
When Sanders and Trump are the peoples choice it is time to freak out...if you are a member of the elite, or you are following their lead.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 10 Aug, 2015 03:59 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

When Sanders and Trump are the peoples choice it is time to freak out...if you are a member of the elite, or you are following their lead.


Seems that way to me, too, Hawk!
maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 10 Aug, 2015 04:07 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
But if that person is Bernie Sanders, I will cast my vote absolutely convinced that I am voting for a person who be defeated in a LANDSLIDE.


As long as you cast your vote... I suppose the fact that you will be pleasantly surprised with the result doesn´t matter.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 10 Aug, 2015 04:11 pm
@Frank Apisa,
It boils down to long term incompetence from the Elite, and a long record of their bullying of the masses, often lying to us in the process, about both what they know and what is true.

We no longer trust. If you want to know what is wrong with the economy and everything else #1 on the list of causes is the loss of trust.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 10 Aug, 2015 06:12 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

Quote:
But if that person is Bernie Sanders, I will cast my vote absolutely convinced that I am voting for a person who be defeated in a LANDSLIDE.


As long as you cast your vote... I suppose the fact that you will be pleasantly surprised with the result doesn´t matter.



If Bernie Sanders eventually emerges as the Dem party nominee...I WILL VOTE FOR HIM...and will do so with pleasure.

But I will do so convinced I am voting for a person who will be defeated in a landslide.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 10 Aug, 2015 06:32 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank....you are the old fart that people try to talk to then give up because you are 20 years behind the times and dont want to get past that..

Trump is leading the GOP even though almost every member of the GOP Elite is focused on trying to take him out.

You dont know what you think you know.

You are not in Kansas any more.
 

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