Bernie's In

@snood,

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But Hillary is known to be a cold fish when up close and personal

she can wind herself up for a show. We just had a reality show R debate, she can easily write anti policy wonk "debate" rules to fence Sanders in.

EDIT: I have to add that Hillary is the Millie Cyrus of politics....she is not very good, but she will always hit her mark, and ontime. There is no way a Bernie sanders beats her doing this show call "the debate".

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@hawkeye10,

I just saw this. Your expanded "explanation" doesn't work. Bernie is very close to people, and hugs and loves all kinds of people. I see evidence of his warmth and people-persona all the time.

Hillary has been avoiding crowds. Even though she could try to throw on a down home persona as she's done before, it comes off as fake and staged. Of course those who are heavily invested in her winning will excuse whatever she does, but Bernie is genuinely a caring man.

But, I don't think he'd win a soundbyte debate. That is HRC's wheelhouse.

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@Lash,

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, but Bernie is genuinely a caring man.

I did not say that he cant, I said he wont. He will stand on the stage and talk the ideas, he will see aping the Hillary theatrics as lowering himself, as taking time away from the important.

Note: I have not seen much of this guy, But I know Hillary and I know roughly where the people are and I know that up till his ripe age Sanders has never revved people up very much. Usually he is invisible. And he is from Vermont.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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, but Bernie is genuinely a caring man.

I did not say that he cant, I said he wont. He will stand on the stage and talk the ideas, he will see aping the Hillary theatrics as lowering himself, as taking time away from the important.

Note: I have not seen much of this guy, But I know Hillary and I know roughly where the people are and I know that up till his ripe age Sanders has never revved people up very much. Usually he is invisible. And he is from Vermont.

I think the reaction he's getting has suprised even him, some. I think it may have given him a 'second wind' of sorts. Maybe he can learn some new tricks, since this is definitely a new stage for him.

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@roger,

roger wrote:

Frank, you keep repeating yourself, and not just this topic. That isn't going to make it true.

Respectfully, Roger, if you truly think all I am doing is repeating myself...just don't read what I write.

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The morning political roundup on air TV this morning had one person mentioning Bernie getting shut down by BLM. She basically said they have been through so much and the anniversary of Michael Brown, they are blameless - No mention that Bernie has never disrespected them or their cause and didn't deserve this.

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

The morning political roundup on air TV this morning had one person mentioning Bernie getting shut down by BLM. She basically said they have been through so much and the anniversary of Michael Brown, they are blameless - No mention that Bernie has never disrespected them or their cause and didn't deserve this.

I was listening to some talk radio about the BLM disruptions and got a little clarification about the intent. I now think they chose Sanders events because he was attracting the most attention and they want attention. What they were saying was that any movement that gets traction has to disrupt, agitate and be impolite, and (and here's where I agree) the outrageous rate that black people are getting killed and beaten by police is more important to address than is making sure Sanders or any other politician's feelings don't get hurt.

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That's a totally wrong approach. The people most likely to be sympathetic, once in power don't need people throwing tacks under their wheels. If they want endless publicity for doing that, go after the Donald or the Jeb.

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

That's a totally wrong approach. The people most likely to be sympathetic, once in power don't need people throwing tacks under their wheels. If they want endless publicity for doing that, go after the Donald or the Jeb.

You don't like the disruptions, and think they're unfair to Bernie. I get it.

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@snood,

It is also unproductive for themselves. I wouldn't like it if they did it to Clinton or Biden.

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Notice how Bernie went to his head, basically concluding "they dont have a case, and if they dont want me here I will leave". This tells me that I am right about how Hillary can rub him out in a "debate".

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

It is also unproductive for themselves. I wouldn't like it if they did it to Clinton or Biden.

I'm still evaluating some of these young people who are thrusting themselves into the 'national activist' roles. Just like any other group, some of them may very well have some misplaced priorities and are more glory seekers at heart than servants of a cause. From where I'm sitting, I happen to think that's more likely than the scenario where bought and paid for operatives are disrupting Sanders in support of Hillary.

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@snood,

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some of them may very well have some misplaced priorities and are more glory seekers at heart than servants of a cause.

Given the amount of activist tourism I am seeing that well may be. I dont know any of these tourists personally but one gets the sense that they are collecting cool stories to tell their friends.

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@snood,

The Donald is who they should be targeting since he's the one getting the most attention these days.

The whole thing seems hinky. Going after the one person who actually seems to have any interest in their concern is odd.

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@hawkeye10,

I doubt it Hawkeye, there is a big difference between a debate and an ambush.

In a debate, Bernie will have an equal opportunity to make his case. Hillary won't be able to grab the microphone and drown him out.

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Snood: You are probably right. In the 60s and early 70s lots of protesters didn't fully understand what they were doing.

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@snood,

If they are paid operatives, it looks like they've misfired. Mr. Sanders is getting sympathy as a result of their actions.

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@ehBeth,

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The whole thing seems hinky. Going after the one person who actually seems to have any interest in their concern is odd.

not if you are part of a group with a lot of idiots and little/no leadership. The idea that this is about Hillary is far fetched. This was almost certainly a small number of idiots who dont believe in democracy or reason who thought that they were promoting their cause through force.

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A cause needs constant headlines to keep the public involved. This I understand. When I went to DC with Jesse Jackson and Flo Kennedy, I heard Jesse say that he gets criticized for seeking headlines, but his defense was, people don't stay involved if they don't constantly see or hear about a cause. There is a fine line here and I just think they are doing everyone concerned a disservice.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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The whole thing seems hinky. Going after the one person who actually seems to have any interest in their concern is odd.

not if you are part of a group with a lot of idiots and little/no leadership. The idea that this is about Hillary is far fetched. This was almost certainly a small number of idiots who dont believe in democracy or reason who thought that they were promoting their cause through force.

Or just wanted to see their face in USA Today.

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