Lash
 
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Reply Wed 3 Aug, 2016 06:50 pm
Try to think about this on your own time.

This isn't a Trump vs Hillary thing. It isn't a Dem vs Republican thing.

It's a what the **** is being done to this country thing.
revelette2
 
  5  
Reply Wed 3 Aug, 2016 07:48 pm
@Lash,
Yawn. Hillary will make a good president for everyone, republican and democrats and everything in between.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 5 Aug, 2016 07:25 am
New OP-ED by Bernie Sanders: I support Hillary Clinton. So should everyone who voted for me.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-sanders-message-bernie-bros-20160805-snap-story.html

The conventions are over and the general election has officially begun. In the primaries, I received 1,846 pledged delegates, 46% of the total. Hillary Clinton received 2,205 pledged delegates, 54%. She received 602 superdelegates. I received 48 superdelegates. Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee and I will vigorously support her.

Donald Trump would be a disaster and an embarrassment for our country if he were elected president. His campaign is not based on anything of substance — improving the economy, our education system, healthcare or the environment. It is based on bigotry. He is attempting to win this election by fomenting hatred against Mexicans and Muslims. He has crudely insulted women. And as a leader of the “birther movement,” he tried to undermine the legitimacy of our first African American president. That is not just my point of view. That’s the perspective of a number of conservative Republicans.

In these difficult times, we need a president who will bring our nation together, not someone who will divide us by race or religion, not someone who lacks an understanding of what our Constitution is about.

On virtually every major issue facing this country and the needs of working families, Clinton’s positions are far superior to Trump’s. Our campaigns worked together to produce the most progressive platform in the history of American politics. Trump’s campaign wrote one of the most reactionary documents.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 5 Aug, 2016 09:38 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Try to think about this on your own time.

This isn't a Trump vs Hillary thing. It isn't a Dem vs Republican thing.

It's a what the **** is being done to this country thing.


Yeah, the American democratic process leaves a lot to be desired.
Lash
 
  -1  
Reply Sat 6 Aug, 2016 11:58 am
Here's an option for people who supported Bernie who want to vote their conscience. Go Green.

I think a strong progressive movement that we can be proud of will either grow into or out of the current Green Party.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/05/green-party-convention-jill-stein-bernie-or-bust-clinton
Debra Law
 
  0  
Reply Sat 6 Aug, 2016 10:31 pm
@Lash,
Going Green is our best option.
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roger
 
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Reply Sat 6 Aug, 2016 11:39 pm
I don't see anything about Green taking votes from Trump, so it can only help his efforts. Want that?
Lash
 
  0  
Reply Sun 7 Aug, 2016 12:17 am
@InfraBlue,
The primary process was clear evidence of your statement.
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Debra Law
 
  0  
Reply Sun 7 Aug, 2016 12:23 am
@roger,
roger wrote:

I don't see anything about Green taking votes from Trump, so it can only help his efforts. Want that?


Fear-mongering?

I don't want Hillary; I don't want Donald. So, I think I'll vote for the person who has a plan that caters to the people of America rather than corporations and war profiteers.

http://www.jill2016.com/plan
roger
 
  7  
Reply Sun 7 Aug, 2016 12:39 am
@Debra Law,
Call it fear mongering if it pleases you. That, or face reality.
Debra Law
 
  0  
Reply Sun 7 Aug, 2016 12:48 am
@roger,
roger wrote:

Call it fear mongering if it pleases you. That, or face reality.


And Clinton supporters should face reality that some people are not Clinton supporters. Because I'm not a Clinton supporter, I think I'll vote for a candidate that I can support.
revelette2
 
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Reply Sun 7 Aug, 2016 05:50 am
@Debra Law,
I just hope you or anyone else is willing to own up to the consequences of your choice. Hopefully, enough people will see Clinton will not be a disaster as a President and Trump will be. Just follow his business career, it has been nothing but a series of smokescreens and failures and mob like vendettas. I do not want him for President. Think of the disaster Bush W. made and I don't believe he was mean hearted, just easily led. Trump is not easily led and he is mean.
snood
 
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Reply Sun 7 Aug, 2016 06:12 am
@revelette2,
People like Debra Law live such a cocooned existence that they won't suffer, nor will they have to bother with noticing others suffering, the consequences of a Donald Trump presidency. They have the luxury of making this choice to select the next president ONLY a matter of purity of conscience. They have the luxury of regarding the fate of 323 million Americans as irrelevant, or at least certainly secondary to the urgent imperative of keeping true to their high ideological principles.. So, to hell with whatever perilous SCOTUS decisions a majority conservative court would make. To hell with keeping Citizens United intact and abolishing the AFA. To hell with further eroding of voter's rights and women's reproductive freedoms. To hell with raising the minimum wage and making college more affordable. To hell with environmental concerns, global warming and clean energy. Debra Law HAS to be able to look at herself in the mirror with peace of mind.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sun 7 Aug, 2016 08:52 am
@Debra Law,
Quote:
Because I'm not a Clinton supporter, I think I'll vote for a candidate that I can support.


And by doing that you will support Donald tRump.
Lash
 
  0  
Reply Sun 7 Aug, 2016 09:16 am
@bobsal u1553115,
There are at least two ways to look at voting your conscience in the current two party system in America. Your way is one: we are forced to support whatever two shitpiles who can claw and cheat their way to the top of their particular party shitpile.

The way some others look at it is that we refuse to accept **** for leaders. This country is currently tightly in the grip of a system that has no need for us and is not responsive to us. It's easy to buy favor and rig elections. It has been proven that media outlets are on at least the DNC payroll. It has been proven that the DNC refused to allow voters to choose the nominee.

I refuse to reward a corrupt system. I am determined to do what I can to break the current corrupt system in hopes of returning it to a closer facsimile of its original design.

I know this isn't a safe place to agree with that sentiment, but you are alone in the booth - anyone reading. Strengthening a third and fourth party will give great pause to the bullshit artists who are selling us off.

The people need to stop allowing presidents to sign shady deals with Monsanto that affect the quality of food we feed our children. Do you know how many civilians were killed last month with Obama's approval--via drone? Do you know about the encroachments against your privacy that are included on the TPP, pushed by Clinton and Kaine?

You and I are being sold out by career millionaire politicians.

You still have a little power to stop them. Use it.

Be assured I will.
farmerman
 
  5  
Reply Sun 7 Aug, 2016 09:43 am
@Lash,
my vote cancels your vote. It all depends whose votes are in the majority to elect electors.

My vote is going to direct the short term (and maybe long term) makeup of the USSC. Im not nutz about Hillary, but she is the only one who would understand what the constitutional definition that arises from USSC decisions, even mean. Bernie would be going totally socialist , Trump hqs a;ready p[ublished his A team.

I think Hillary would be ballsy enough to nominate OBQMQA as a USSC justice.


Youre dwelling on inuendo, past "Hearsay" and possibilities of corruption and self dealing.
Youve gotta look ahead with some reality based decision making. If youre gonna vote simply as protest by picking a candidate that has no bloody chance in hell, you could be propping up Trump and an increasingly radical conservative USSC.

I see that even Thomas wants out.
Lash
 
  0  
Reply Sun 7 Aug, 2016 09:59 am
@farmerman,
I guess I'm cancelling your vote... 😎
Hillary and Bill Clinton are the most brilliant people in politics. If you don't think they'll use SCOTUS appointments to further break down regulations and walls between them and more profits, you don't know much about them. The question is: who is more damaging? Two brilliant people empowered with the most extensive media-millionaire-politician-corporate pay for play scheme ever devised, or an idiotic narcissist who wants his name on everything?

I guess that's for each person to decide.

At any rate, any government that finds these two at the top of the dual heaps needs to start over.

She is a republican calling herself a dem, and he is a self-promoter who has no ideological connection to either party. You'll have a hard time placing him to the right of Clinton.

snood
 
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Reply Sun 7 Aug, 2016 11:05 am
@farmerman,
What can you say to somebody like this, FM? Someone who apparently thinks (and actually writes, for others to see) that Bill and Hillary Clinton, two independently wealthy near septuagenarians, have as their impetus for wanting to be in the white house a nefarious plot to scam the whole country by advancing supreme court nominees who will make them more money?
Someone who apparently thinks that the Clintons represent more potential harm to the country than a fraudulent racist trust baby with zero knowledge about foreign or domestic policy? Where can you even begin to try to communicate with someone who thinks like this, or at least pretends to be someone who thinks like this? Goddamn, this is smear-peanut-butter-on-yourself-and-run-screaming-and-naked-through-the-neighborhood coo-coo.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 7 Aug, 2016 11:31 am
@farmerman,
I'm just not sure about people who support Trump with what we know about this narcissist who encourages violence at his meets, blasts a war heroes family, and chases out children.
What's gotten into this country's people? Lambasting a war heroes family, the Kahns, was unheard of until now. He even criticized John McCain. I just don't get it.
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Debra Law
 
  0  
Reply Sun 7 Aug, 2016 02:03 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

I guess I'm cancelling your vote... 😎
Hillary and Bill Clinton are the most brilliant people in politics. If you don't think they'll use SCOTUS appointments to further break down regulations and walls between them and more profits, you don't know much about them. The question is: who is more damaging? Two brilliant people empowered with the most extensive media-millionaire-politician-corporate pay for play scheme ever devised, or an idiotic narcissist who wants his name on everything?

I guess that's for each person to decide.

At any rate, any government that finds these two at the top of the dual heaps needs to start over.

She is a republican calling herself a dem, and he is a self-promoter who has no ideological connection to either party. You'll have a hard time placing him to the right of Clinton.





Agree, agree, agree to infinity ...
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