snood
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2016 08:36 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

"Small minded?"

Yes, I think that would be one reaction. But considering the things that are said about her anyway (conniving, power hungry, corrupt, bitchy, etc), I think that if she had tried reacting as Bernie is reacting right now they would have lost their motherf**king minds.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2016 08:54 pm
@ossobuco,
Reply to self - I'd drink local waters if they were as good as Gerolsteiner or Pellegrino.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2016 09:12 pm
@snood,
Quote:
I think that if she had tried reacting as Bernie is reacting right now they would have lost their motherf**king minds.


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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 30 Apr, 2016 12:12 am
If Hillary people are so upset winning, they likely would do harm to themselves if they believed they might lose. Wait til a bunch of us opt to vote for Jill Stein, if Bernie is ousted.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 30 Apr, 2016 02:55 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

I've got a question. If, when Hillary was asked if she would encourage her supporters to get behind Obama, she replied "That's really Obama's job - he needs to win them over." What do you think the general reaction to her would have been?

Sorry to damp your speculative enthusiasm but there's no such thing as a "general reaction" in a presidential campaign.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 30 Apr, 2016 03:14 am
@edgarblythe,
Quite an entitled bunch. Just like their Goldwater Girl.

The biggest buzz on social media about her recently is how many big pharma and big bankster lobbyists are Democrat Superdelegates.

I'm hoping California has more authentic progressives than corrupt assholes.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 30 Apr, 2016 03:30 am
I'd rather do this with Bernie in the Oval, but we'll do it one way or another.

Jill Stein would be great, too.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/bernie-sanders-congress_us_5720e608e4b0b49df6a9c933
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revelette2
 
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Reply Sat 30 Apr, 2016 06:16 am
@edgarblythe,
If anything, the "Hillary people" are upset at Bernie demands for concessions on the part of Hillary. I think she should just ignore the whole thing. A certain section of hard core Bernie supporters are not ever going to vote for her no matter what she does or says.
snood
 
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Reply Sat 30 Apr, 2016 07:00 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

If anything, the "Hillary people" are upset at Bernie demands for concessions on the part of Hillary. I think she should just ignore the whole thing. A certain section of hard core Bernie supporters are not ever going to vote for her no matter what she does or says.


Yup, a lot of them have an incurable burr up their ass, that's for sure. I kind of like your suggestion that she ignore them. It's like the advice I'd give a child who is being teased in school - ignore the jerks and if they get in your face, fight back.
The Bernie-or-busters have nearly nothing to do now but continue slinging shyt, concocting conspiracy theories and floating unlikely winning scenarios.

As I say in the(shameless plug alert) Pro Hillary thread, I think a large number of the Bernie supporters will come around when faced with the graphic spectacle of a Trump versus Hillary ballot.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 30 Apr, 2016 07:15 am
Support a decent human being replacing Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

https://timcanova.com/

Grow Bernie's party.
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 30 Apr, 2016 03:30 pm
This isn't just negative against Bernie - I think it's a very perceptive and concise summation of where his campaign really is right now, and how Bernie could best proceed to get the biggest bang for his buck. I thought the comparison to the occupy "movement" was very astute. Also the idea that Bernie could be hurting his negotiating power by waiting too long to concede. I'm copying the whole article 'cause its short enough not to be of Bobsal proportions Smile .
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It’s time for the Sanders campaign to stop grifting and start negotiating

To paraphrase Donald Trump roadkill Marco Rubio: Let’s dispense once and for all with this fiction that Bernie Sanders is going to come from behind and snatch the Democratic presidential nomination from the white-knuckled death-grip of Hillary Clinton.

This will not happen. You know it. I know it. And Bernie Sanders knows it.

Although it is not mathematically impossible for Sanders to catch Clinton — yet — time is running out and with every primary loss he suffers any leverage he might have in the backrooms with the DNC will vanish into thin air. Just like one should “never get involved in a land war in Asia,” a costly and protracted fight with Clinton all the way to the Democratic convention is no way to make friends and influence people.

As it stands now, Sanders would have to win 80 percent of the delegates in the upcoming primaries to pull ahead– including in the states where he is trailing badly. If that doesn’t seem impossible enough, the Sanders campaign continues to state that they believe that they can somehow convince superdelegates to jump ship from Hillary to his sinking campaign.

Yeah. That’s not gonna happen, so really just stop with that, okay? Seriously.

Still the Sanders campaign soldiers on, asking contributors to pony up another $27 while laying off staffers — but still paying campaign manager Jeff Weaver and consultant Tad Devine and others some serious cash.

As the Washington Post points out:

By the end of March, the self-described democratic socialist senator from Vermont had spent nearly $166 million on his campaign — more than any other 2016 presidential contender, including rival Hillary Clinton. More than $91 million went to a small group of ad makers and media buyers who produced a swarm of commercials and placed them on television, radio and online, according to a Washington Post analysis of Federal Election Commission reports.

Just like “It is difficult to get a man to understand something if his salary depends upon his not understanding it,” it’s even harder to get a political consultant to shred his own meal ticket.

Right now the Sanders campaign is basically a gym selling $27 memberships to the gullible while the elliptical machines are being repossessed through the backdoor by the bank.

There is no other word for that except “grift.” Well maybe “fraud,” but we’re being nice here.

The premise behind the continuing campaign is to influence the Democratic platform presumably by offering up the fealty of Bernie voters in a swap for changes — although there is little evidence that the Bernie supporters will flee en masse to either the welcoming arms of Earth Mother Jill Stein or just sit the election out in a protracted snit. It’s all fun and games and poutrage and boasting on Twitter until Donald Trump gets the GOP nomination.

Not having that as a bargaining chip — and assuming that Sanders himself will honor his pledge to back Clinton against Trump or Cruz or Zombie Reagan if teh GOP goes to a second ballot – he stands to get a much better deal the earlier he opts out.

Suggestion: Start with with “Bring me the head of Debbie Wasserman-Schultz,” and work from there. She’s had a good run, no one really likes her and she’ll have more time to spend with her family and the vultures who make payday loans. Bernie walking away with a tangible victory or two in hand — rather than a few changes to the Democratic Party platform which are more suggestions than binding contracts — might actually be a victory the Bernie revolution can build upon.

At this moment in time the Sanders revolution is beginning to look like Occupy Wall Street in 2011 which went from social movement to sad drum circle in the space of approximately four months. About the only thing Occupy did was spawn a hashtag and the Bernie movement, but it took four years to do it and still no revolution in sight.

If the Sanders campaign is serious about “revolution” and “subverting the dominant paradigm,” as the kids like to say before they get a job, then there will never be a better time than now or perhaps after next week’s Indiana primary that poll wizard Nate Silver gives Hillary Clinton a 87 percent of winning.

It’s better to walk away with a win or two early than for Bernie to walk out of Philadelphia with nothing or, as Sonny Corleone once put it: “with just his dick in his hands.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/its-time-for-the-sanders-campaign-to-stop-grifting-and-start-negotiating/
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 30 Apr, 2016 04:10 pm
@snood,
Quote:
Right now the Sanders campaign is basically a gym selling $27 memberships to the gullible while the elliptical machines are being repossessed through the backdoor by the bank.


You think that kind of talk will help influence Bernie's supporters?

Quote:
There is no other word for that except “grift.” Well maybe “fraud,” but we’re being nice here.


Thanks but no thanks for your crazy idea of what is ethical or "nice"

Quote:
although there is little evidence that the Bernie supporters will flee en masse to either the welcoming arms of Earth Mother Jill Stein


Interesting that others must be having the same thoughts about Jill Stein as me.

Quote:
She’s had a good run, no one really likes her and she’ll have more time to spend with her family and the vultures who make payday loans.


This seems to be something I need to investigate. Is she connected to the payday loan industry?

Quote:
At this moment in time the Sanders revolution is beginning to look like Occupy Wall Street in 2011 which went from social movement to sad drum circle in the space of approximately four months.


What evolved from the movement? Did you say?

Quote:
the only thing Occupy did was spawn a hashtag and the Bernie movement


Why not just say the movement is alive and doing well?






cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 30 Apr, 2016 04:11 pm
@snood,
http://www.npr.org/2016/04/08/473557104/bernie-sanders-chances-at-the-nomination-count-on-superdelegates

Also, according to truthometer, Sander's statements are 51% true or mostly true. Not bad for a politician.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 30 Apr, 2016 04:18 pm
@reasoning logic,
The movement is alive and doing quite well. Smile
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 30 Apr, 2016 04:21 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

Quote:
Right now the Sanders campaign is basically a gym selling $27 memberships to the gullible while the elliptical machines are being repossessed through the backdoor by the bank.


You think that kind of talk will help influence Bernie's supporters?

Quote:
There is no other word for that except “grift.” Well maybe “fraud,” but we’re being nice here.


Thanks but no thanks for your crazy idea of what is ethical or "nice"



Quote:
although there is little evidence that the Bernie supporters will flee en masse to either the welcoming arms of Earth Mother Jill Stein


Interesting that others must be having the same thoughts about Jill Stein as me.

Quote:
She’s had a good run, no one really likes her and she’ll have more time to spend with her family and the vultures who make payday loans.


This seems to be something I need to investigate. Is she connected to the payday loan industry?

Quote:
At this moment in time the Sanders revolution is beginning to look like Occupy Wall Street in 2011 which went from social movement to sad drum circle in the space of approximately four months.


What evolved from the movement? Did you say?

Quote:
the only thing Occupy did was spawn a hashtag and the Bernie movement


Why not just say the movement is alive and doing well?



That's impressive nitpicking bud. You should take your complaints to the guy who wrote the article.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 30 Apr, 2016 06:08 pm
@snood,
Quote:
That's impressive nitpicking bud. You should take your complaints to the guy who wrote the article.


Thank you for sharing the article that showed that there were others who were thinking like me.

Do you think that because people are awakening that the country is going to go further left than Bernie?

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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 30 Apr, 2016 06:15 pm
@snood,
Maybe you would prefer to listen to Bernie himself?

snood
 
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Reply Sat 30 Apr, 2016 06:23 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

Maybe you would prefer to listen to Bernie himself?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsDBAZYhY20[/youtube]

Oh yes! I LIVE for yet another of your youtubes. It's such a creative and original way you have of expressing your opinion. And kudos on all the thought and care it takes to insert dozens of youtubes into the thread. It really adds to the discussion.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 30 Apr, 2016 06:29 pm
@snood,
Quote:
Oh yes! I LIVE for yet another of your youtubes. It's such a creative and original way you have of expressing your opinion. And kudos on all the thought and care it takes to insert dozens of youtubes into the thread. It really adds to the discussion


Thank you for your support. sick

You would not believe how many old timers there are that think only reading is educational. "It is amazing the many ways that todays technology are able to inform people.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 30 Apr, 2016 06:29 pm
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfl1/v/t1.0-9/13103519_10153663083221909_5477181042057865376_n.jpg?oh=99dc0617921091237a057980df39740f&oe=57E78446
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