Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2016 12:54 pm
Trump is calling for Bern to run as an independent.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2016 01:07 pm
@Brand X,
Brand X wrote:

Trump is calling for Bern to run as an independent.


I think they should both run as independents and screw the parties.
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Blickers
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2016 01:31 pm
@Miller,
Quote Miller:
Quote:
Little Bernie is out...But where is all the money the man received from the public?

Did he announce he was out? I thought he was continuing on. I hope he does continue, he's got some good ideas and I like the idea that he can run a campaign on small donations.
revelette2
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2016 01:50 pm
@Blickers,
I don't think he is out, I haven't seen any headlines announcing he is out. I do know he has laid off staff. I ran of article for the month on the NYT, but they announced Bernie laid off hundred of staff in California. The following is the last one I had for this month:

Bernie Sanders, Shifting Tone, Takes On Democratic Party

Personally I wish he would finish his race as an independent. You don't join a party to trash it.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2016 02:01 pm
@revelette2,
The staff reduction was covered pretty widely by a number of news sources, including http://www.wmur.com/politics/sanders-cuts-staff-by-twothirds-as-focus-shifts-to-remaining-contests/39249630 (for folks still hanging on to their last few NYT clicks Wink )
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2016 02:07 pm
I hadn't looked at nymag lately (been kind of attached to vox as they do stats a lot)

Ed Kilgore's got something to say. Likely not popular among supporters of Mr. Sanders.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/really-bad-idea-of-a-tea-party-of-the-left.html#

Quote:
From a great distance, the news that volunteers associated with Bernie Sanders's presidential campaign are turning their attentions to the herculean task of organizing progressives for midterm elections would seem to be exciting news for all Democrats. Without question, the close alignment of the two parties with groups of voters who do (older white people) and don't (younger and minority people) participate in non-presidential elections has been a big part — along with the normal backlash against the party controlling the White House — of the massive Republican gains of 2010 and 2014. The prospect of heightened midterm turnout from under-30 voters alone could be a big and important deal for the Donkey Party.

But the closer you get to the Sandernistas' Brand New Congress initiative — the new project by recently laid-off Bernie staffers to create a revolution in Congress beginning with the 2018 elections — the less it looks like the instrument for a difficult but achievable task and the more it looks like the product of a very strange set of beliefs about American politics. It's not focused on boosting progressive turnout in general elections, but on recruiting and running candidates in Republican as well as Democratic primaries who meet a rigid set of policy litmus tests. The idea is very explicitly that people alive with the Bern can literally elect a "brand-new Congress" in one election cycle to turn public policy 180 degrees.


snippity snip - go read it

Quote:
Yes, that was what I feared: The discredited notion that lefties and the tea party can make common cause in something other than hating on the Clintons and Barack Obama is back with a vengeance. And worse yet, Donald Trump — Donald Trump — is being touted as an example of a Republican capable of progressive impulses because he shares the old right-wing mercantilist hostility to free trade and has enough money to scorn lobbyists. Does your average Trump supporter really "believe climate change is real" and disbelieve that "all Muslims are terrorists"? Do Obamacare-hating tea-partiers secretly favor single-payer health care? Do the people in tricorn hats who favor elimination of labor unions deep down want a national $15-an-hour minimum wage? And do the very activists who brought the Citizens United case and think it's central to the preservation of the First Amendment actually want to overturn it?

It's this last delusion that's the most remarkable. If there is any one belief held most vociferously by tea-party activists, it's that anything vaguely approaching campaign-finance reform is a socialist, perhaps even a satanic, conspiracy. These are the people who don't think donors to their political activities should be disclosed because Lois Lerner will use that information to launch income-tax audits and persecute Christians. The tea folk are much closer to the Koch brothers in their basic attitudes toward politics than they are to conventional Republicans.


go in and read the rest Smile
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2016 02:12 pm
this is an interesting read (and of course links back to vox stats)

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/whys-bernie-sanders-right-wing-on-taxing-soda.html

Quote:
Sanders may be correct that the burdens of the tax fall disproportionately on people of modest means, but as Margot Sanger-Katz has pointed out, there is some evidence that this very feature can make the tax more equitable. By raising the price of sugary drinks, poor consumers can be encouraged to drink less of it, reaping the caloric rewards, while more affluent consumers pay the tax. What’s more, the proceeds of the soda tax finance a vital liberal social goal (in this case, early education). Sanders has no rationale to oppose the Philadelphia plan based on analyzing how only half of the program would work.

Indeed, it is very hard to understand how Sanders’s opposition to it can be reconciled with his own platform, which — both in its specifics and its general theme — rests upon higher taxes on the non-rich. To oppose a new tax-and-transfer plan based solely on the regressive character of the financing source, without any consideration of the benefits of the spending, would rule out his own plans as well. Not incidentally, Sanders has won plaudits from right-wing pundits at places like the Daily Caller and Reason, and a fake grassroots organization financed by the soda industry.

The Sanders campaign began as a message vehicle for his ideas. The final stages of the candidacy have brought him to a very strange intellectual place.
revelette2
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2016 02:29 pm
@ehBeth,
I suppose I don't branch out enough. I haven't heard of a tax on soda (is it in effect now?) but I would support it if only to discourage kids from drinking it but I would even go further and tax diet cokes as that is even worse. I watched a medical ad once about artificial ingredients being stored as fat in your body because your body don't recognized it as an energy source since it is artificial. Made perfect sense to me.

(I have to edit my posts countless times because I have a terrible habit of leaving out words..)
ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2016 02:57 pm
@revelette2,
We have junk food tax here in Ontario. Potatoes aren't taxed - they're food. Potato chips are taxed. Orange juice isn't taxed. Orange soda is taxed - it's junk. One muffin is taxed (snack/junk), six muffins in a package aren't (that's probably my favourite weird one).

Seemed weird when it first came out. Now I think it makes sense. It's like taxing booze/cigarettes/other things that aren't good for you.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2016 03:10 pm
It's been a long time since I drank a few cokes a week (there was a pizza place near our gallery that sold them, easy lunch). After I moved, then I only had a small coke once in a while visiting friends. Now for something like six years, close to nada. My soda is soda - fizzy mineral waters from other countries. That is a downside, the carbon cost of moving those bottles, but I'm in denial on that specific bottle movement.
revelette2
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2016 04:09 pm
@ehBeth,
What about sweet tea? One of my indulgences, love southern sweet tea. Kind of natural? Would it be taxed? I doubt something like all of that would go over well here, liked of never had higher tax on cigarettes. I would be in favor of it though and it would be a good way to bring in money to pay for services.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2016 04:13 pm
@ossobuco,
Yeah, watching those commercials with bottles lining the ocean while drinking bottle water makes you feel kind of guilty. People in Flint have no choice though, another issue.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2016 04:21 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
Let me share one we saw today


I liked that, thank you for sharing.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2016 05:14 pm
@edgarblythe,
Bernie and Trump are in my opinion one of a kind. They are both on a power run. Both think they are the most intelligent human beings on the earth. Bernie thinks he is going to force the dems to go his way or he will destroy Hillarys path to the presidency. He is just another Ralph Nader who might get Trump elected to office and than disappear from the political scene just like Nader.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2016 05:17 pm
@revelette2,
If he had run as an independent he wouldent have got 50,000 votes.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2016 05:49 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
He is just another Ralph Nader who might get Trump elected to office and than disappear from the political scene just like Nader


Are you suggesting that you might not get what you want without the help of Bernie?
revelette2
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2016 06:15 pm
@reasoning logic,
I'm not sure but Hillary might not need Bernie's help. She doesn't need his constant pushing either though, so in a sense, I guess she does need his help to at least lay off. The proof of his sincerity will be in his behavior from now on.
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snood
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2016 06:50 pm
I've got a question. If, when Hillary was asked if she would encourage her supporters to get behind Obama, she replied "That's really Obama's job - he needs to win them over."
What do you think the general reaction to her would have been?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2016 07:06 pm
Has everyone taken the Democrat test? It is in the short video below.

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 29 Apr, 2016 07:49 pm
@snood,
"Small minded?"
 

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