Bernie's In

@snood,

snood wrote:

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Sanders strategist Tad Devine told the Washington Post that even if Sanders is behind in the popular vote and the number of pledged delegates, “We’re going to make an argument that you should nominate Bernie Sanders.”

I guess that whole thing about bowing out gracefully when it's clear he's lost, and throwing his support behind Hillary is sort of quaint now.

Did you also notice how some Bernie Sanders supporters are extremely happy that Sanders is trying to convert some of the pledged delegates that Clinton won in states.

I guess superdelegates are supposed to represent the will of the people.....unless those people are going to vote for Clinton, then they're supposed to ignore the will of the people and vote for Sanders.

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@maporsche,

maporsche wrote:

I guess superdelegates are supposed to represent the will of the people.....unless those people are going to vote for Clinton, then they're supposed to ignore the will of the people and vote for Sanders.

there's got to be some awesome cognitive dissonance going on there

I hope someone's studying it (I'm sure there is).

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@ehBeth,

ehBeth wrote:

there's got to be some awesome cognitive dissonance going on there

I hope someone's studying it (I'm sure there is).

I am impressed that you are willing to admit this, EhBeth. Not many Hillary supporters are able to see the cognitive dissonance in their position on delegates.

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@snood,

One my nicks on Sanders is that I haven't liked the people around his campaign much, plus that he listens to them. That's a big nick for a possible president.

I think he will still get my vote in the primary for the reason of supporting his general ideas, but June 7 is quite a while away for that decision. In the general, we'll see.

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@maxdancona,

I don't remember ehBeth ever saying she is a Hillary supporter. I do remember her saying she isn't.

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@ossobuco,

Correct. I posted about it not too long ago.

one of my neither/nor posts http://able2know.org/topic/275175-270#post-6158728

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@ossobuco,

Too late to edit, so I'll add that I presume that will be Hillary Clinton, but I've always supposed that and said I'd vote for her if she is the nominee.

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As a Brit, I don't know how to evaluate an Huffington Post blog today by HA Goodman, titled "Bernie Sanders Will Become Democratic Nominee Even If Clinton Leads in Delegates".

Goodman's reasoning seems to be mainly that anyone fearing Trump must vote for Bernie Sanders, primarily because he defeats Trump by a wider margin than Clinton.

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These issues, in addition to Bernie’s popularity among younger voters and seventh straight victory, highlight why superdelegates and Democratic Party bosses will eventually side with Sanders over Clinton.

The same dynamic was witnessed eight years ago. Because Barack Obama wasn’t on the ballot in Michigan (interesting things take place when running against Clinton), Hillary Clinton won the popular vote in 2008. When superdelegates began siding with Obama that year ... After leading Obama by a 2 to 1 ratio in superdelgates, the reasoning for these party bosses leaving Clinton was summed up by an Arizona Democratic Party official quoted in The New York Times:

“Senator Barack Obama is strengthening the Democratic Party by bringing in new voters, young and old, into the process,” Ms. Fernandez said in a statement released by the Obama campaign. “ I believe Senator Obama has the best ability to win the White House in November and lead this country forward.”
Ms. Fernandez was Mr. Obama’ s 241st superdelegate endorsement...
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Bernie Sanders is the epitome of this observation. Sanders dominates Clinton with younger voters, first-time voters, Independent voters, and defeats Trump by a wider margin than the former Secretary of State.

As for a general election, it’s obvious to anyone paying attention that Sanders is the best chance to defeat a Republican. First, he’s not linked to an FBI investigation. Second, Bernie Sanders defeats Trump by 16.5 points according to Real Clear Politics; six more points than Clinton.

If the GOP picks Ted Cruz, Bernie Sanders demolishes him by an average of 10.1 points.

Clinton beats Trump by an average of 10.5 points. If the GOP picks Ted Cruz, she barely beats him, and the polling average shows Hillary Clinton ahead by only 2.5 points.

These are Clinton’s poll numbers against Republicans before possible FBI and DOJ indictments, and before the media frenzy that takes place even if Clinton escapes legal consequences. Clinton also doesn’t keep polling leads and lost an over 50-point lead to Bernie Sanders, just like she lost her lead to Obama.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/sanders-become-democratic-nominee-even-if-clinton-leads-in-delegates_b_9657952.html

Does this make any kind of sense?

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@Tes yeux noirs,

Tes yeux noirs wrote:

Does this make any kind of sense?

I read that this morning too. I didn't make any sense to me and the whole thing reeks of wishful (magical?) thinking.

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@Tes yeux noirs,

It makes sense (in part) if you think that the GOP/media are not going to go after Mr. Sanders if he is the Democratic nominee.

He's not going to get a pass.

All of those complaints about not enough/no media coverage? they're going to flip right quick.

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@ehBeth,

Hillary does well in a match up with Trump as well; so that excuse goes out the window.

In likely Trump vs. Clinton scenario, Hillary has the edge: poll

I mean, she is beating Bernie in the popular vote, in the delegate math and she does well against republicans too, so the superdelegates should change their minds, why? One of the superdelegates said he knows of no superdelegates who plan on switching from Clinton to Bernie.

Btw, Hillary is leading in New York and PA.

Polls: Trump, Clinton lead big in NY, PA

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The Other 98%
20 mins ·
Happening NOW: Thousands of people are demanding money out of politics in the largest protest at the US Capitol in memory. DC police have arrested so many protesters there's no room left in the jails, but the media is refusing to cover it. SHARE to break the blackout!!

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@edgarblythe,

https://twitter.com/ChadPergram

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@edgarblythe,

Wow. Looks like a revolution. Has Bernie been arrested?

I should be there.

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

The Other 98%
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Happening NOW: Thousands of people are demanding money out of politics in the largest protest at the US Capitol in memory. DC police have arrested so many protesters there's no room left in the jails, but the media is refusing to cover it. SHARE to break the blackout!!

What kind of country blacks out major protests? Who's calling the shots? It's a lot more than anti-Bernie. Smells like creeping fascism.

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@Lash,

I live in Chicago. If the news covered every protest in this city, it'd be difficult to cover anything else.

Plus, most people don't care that much. I mean they care, if it was on a ballot they'd even care enough to vote for it, but most don't care about protests.

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@Blickers,

Stop posting those friggin unemployment stats from the Clinton era, you brainless lying dickel.

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@Lash,

It's odd, isn't it. We associate Hillary with good unemployment numbers because of her association with Bill, but no mention of ending welfare as we know it, private prisons, etc. because that was Bill and had nothing to do with her.

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@roger,

I'm curious what you think the biggest problem with welfare is right now?

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@maporsche,

Where did that come from? I am pointing out that the Hillary people are quick to use her association with Bill's presidency, but only when it works for them. The issue is the inconsistency, not welfare as we do or do not know it.

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