revelette2
 
  1  
Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2016 07:40 am
@engineer,
All my in-laws do that, all them as far as I know have voted republican their whole voting life, yet most are registered democrat. I think that started when my father-in-law was on the school board or something. (met my husband in my early teens, didn't really think about politics then...)

Anyway, the reason I bring it up is that I remember a few weeks back reading something like such a scheme being underway.

Limbaugh: ‘We May Have to Reactivate ‘Operation Chaos,’ but This Time for Bernie’
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Blickers
 
  4  
Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2016 09:55 am
@cicerone imposter,
What I described above is not voter fraud. If I live in a state where you have to be a member of the party to vote in the primary, and I go down to change my party registration from Republican to Democrat so I can vote in their primary, then after the primary-or even after the election-I go down and change it back to Republican so I can vote in the Republican primary the next year and thereafter, no law has been broken.

As for going through "all that", in my town the Town Hall has its own parking lot, and when I first moved into the town registering took five minutes from entering the parking lot to leaving the parking lot. The town next to it has a Town Hall in the center of town, but parking is not that hard to get on the streets and unless you register a day or two before the election the town election registrar doesn't have a line. Not everyone lives in an urban environment where the traffic is clogging the streets, parking is hard to find, and there are long lines in every city office.
revelette2
 
  2  
Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2016 11:01 am
@Blickers,
Not only that but in an open primary, you have the choice on the ballot of which party (or no party...) you want to vote regardless which party you are registered for.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3a/Open.primaries.gif

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Ohio is now a semi-open primary. If they want to vote for Trump even though they are a democrat it is easy as pie to do.

Quote:
COLUMBUS, Ohio -- If you're an Ohio Democrat who wants to vote for Donald Trump -- or try to stop Trump's momentum by casting a ballot for John Kasich -- you can.

Ohio's primary Tuesday is semi-open.

Ohioans do not declare a party when they register to vote; voters choose to affiliate with a party by selecting that party's primary ballot on Election Day. Voters who do not choose a party can vote an unaffiliated ballot that contains tax measures and other nonpartisan issues.

So, even if you've voted for Republicans your whole life, you can choose Bernie Sanders on Tuesday. You'll just be considered a registered Democrat until you change your affiliation in an primary election.

Want to know the details? Read on.


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revelette2
 
  1  
Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2016 11:09 am
Can Bernie Sanders Pull Off An Upset In Ohio?
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ehBeth
 
  1  
Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2016 01:04 pm
Fox is noticing Mr. Sanders but they're not really finding anything to get traction on Cool


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/15/bernies-billionaires-some-wealthy-donors-have-backed-sanders-for-years.html
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2016 05:36 pm
First exit polls in MO show Bernie...
has the distinct advantage! Just saw it on CNN about 5 minutes ago. And they're getting ready to do more in the next segment. GO BERNIE GO!!!!!!!!!!
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revelette2
 
  1  
Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2016 06:43 pm
I was worried about Ohio for Hillary, but the latest of which I know shows she is leading 61.1 to Sander's 32.7.
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snood
 
  1  
Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2016 07:39 pm
MO and IL are pretty much dogfights right now.
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snood
 
  1  
Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2016 07:50 pm
Bernie's pulling ahead in MO, Hillary in IL.
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revelette2
 
  2  
Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2016 08:23 pm

Quote:
Why Clinton Won Ohio After Losing Michigan


Exit poll results are coming back and telling us a bit more about why Clinton won in Ohio and not in Michigan — her victory can be boiled down to her performance with white voters, older voters, and voters who are concerned about trade issues.

In Michigan, Sanders won white voters, but in Ohio, Clinton won them, 51 percent to 48 percent, and that seems to have made a difference. Her support with black voters in the state also remained strong — she won them 68 percent to 30 percent — but that was less an overwhelming win of the demographic than her record in other states.

It’s well-known that Sanders performs well with young people — there were fewer youths (ah, the youths) in Ohio. Sixty-two percent of Ohio’s electorate was 45 and older.

The last leg of the Clinton victory triangle is that she won on the all-important-in-the-Rust Belt trade question: Voters who said trade with other countries takes away U.S. jobs supported her, 53 percent to 46 percent. Sanders won that bloc in Michigan, 56 percent to 41 percent. It’s not quite clear what happened in the intervening week — our Andrew Flowers noted during the last Democratic debate that the Vermont senator seemed to be hammering the anti-NAFTA message less than usual, but it might also just be that Michigan was an aberration.


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maporsche
 
  2  
Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2016 09:54 pm
Bernie's In.....trouble; bad day for his campaign.
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snood
 
  1  
Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2016 10:40 pm
Wonder what conspiracy they'll blame this on?
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revelette2
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2016 06:52 am
It is still too close in Missouri to call, Right now Clinton is at 49.6 to Bernie's 49.4
engineer
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2016 07:07 am
@revelette2,
I think if Michigan blew up the Clinton narrative that Sanders was only a factor is the very white Northeast, Ohio blew up the narrative that Clinton is only winning in the South where the Republicans already have a lock. Clinton won in Florida, Ohio and likely Missouri, all battleground states.
revelette2
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2016 07:28 am
@engineer,
I agree, from what I have read, the ones coming up are all favorable to Bernie but it won't enough to overtake Hillary.

Quote:
Hillary Clinton may have had a sense of déjà vu. Eight years ago, after being ahead all night in Missouri’s Democratic presidential primary — the Associated Press erroneously called the state for Clinton — she lost after Barack Obama surged ahead with late-reporting votes from St. Louis. This time around, the shoe was on the other foot. Late Tuesday night, Bernie Sanders led Clinton by about 2 percentage points in Missouri. But Clinton pulled ahead after midnight on votes from St. Louis City and St. Louis County.

Clinton has not yet been declared the winner in Missouri, but she leads Sanders 49.6 percent to 49.4 percent in unofficial results. A win there would complete a 5-for-5 evening for her: Clinton won Illinois narrowly and Florida, Ohio and North Carolina emphatically. She was already likely to be the Democratic nominee, but she became more likely after what was perhaps the best evening of her campaign.

It’s not that Sanders had a terrible night. OK, losing Florida and Ohio by such large margins wasn’t good. But because of the Democrats’ proportional delegate rules, losing Missouri by a few thousand votes would make essentially no difference to his delegate count versus winning it by the same margin. Sanders’s narrow loss in Illinois was pretty respectable given that polls had once shown Clinton with a giant lead there. And Sanders lost North Carolina by only 14 percentage points. I’m not being sarcastic or damning with faint praise: If Sanders had lost the rest of the South by 14 points instead of margins that were sometimes 40 points or more, his path to the nomination would be considerably more viable. Sanders seems to be making progress with African-American voters.

But a night that wasn’t quite as bad as it seems wasn’t what Sanders needed. Even a pretty good night wouldn’t have mattered for him all that much. Instead, he needed a stupendous night that redefined the campaign. Big wins in Missouri, Illinois or Ohio might have done that; so might have making Clinton sweat in North Carolina or Florida. Sanders didn’t come close to passing that admittedly high bar.

I’m intrigued by the parallels to the 2008 campaign perhaps because it’s where FiveThirtyEight cut its teeth. I spent a lot of time in the spring of 2008 arguing that Obama’s lead in elected delegates would be hard for Clinton to overcome. But Clinton’s lead over Sanders is much larger than Obama’s was over Clinton at a comparable stage of the race. At the end of February 2008, after a favorable run of states for Obama, he led Clinton by approximately 100 elected delegates. Clinton’s lead is much larger this year.1 Clinton entered Tuesday’s contests ahead of Sanders by approximately 220 elected delegates. But she’ll net approximately 70 delegates from Florida, 20 from Ohio, 15 from North Carolina and a handful from Illinois and Missouri. That will expand her advantage to something like 325 elected delegates.

Sanders will need to win about 58 percent of the remaining 2,000 or so elected delegates to tie Clinton. Since the Democrats allot delegates proportionally, that means he’d need to win about 58 percent of the vote in the average remaining state to Clinton’s 42 percent, meaning he’d need to beat Clinton by around 16 points the rest of the way. Sanders would also have to overcome Clinton’s huge lead in superdelegates, although that’s probably the least of his worries. (If Clinton goes from winning the average state by double digits to losing it by the same margin, something cataclysmic will have had to have happened, likely sending her superdelegates scurrying for the exits.)

The second half of the calendar appears more favorable to Sanders than the states that have voted so far. Pretty much all of the South has voted, other than Maryland (if you consider it a Southern state), so Clinton doesn’t have many more delegates to rack up there. Not very much of the West has voted, and it will probably be a good region for Sanders. New York has lots of delegates, and could be interesting for Sanders, as could California. Pennsylvania could theoretically be a good state for Sanders, although it appears less promising for him after Clinton’s big win in Ohio.

Sanders can’t afford to merely come close in these states, as he did on Tuesday. Nor would narrow wins suffice. He needs to win these states going away to make up for his delegate disadvantage.

There’s no particular reason to expect he will do so. Instead, the Democratic race appears fairly static and fairly predictable along demographic lines. Even after Sanders’s dramatic, poll-defying win in Michigan last week, few Democratic voters decided upon or changed their vote this week, according to exit polls, and those who did broke about evenly between Clinton and Sanders. Polling averages quite accurately predicted the outcomes in the Democratic race on Tuesday, allaying the concern (one which worried us a lot!) that Democrats were experiencing some sort of existential polling crisis.

We’re fond of sports metaphors here at FiveThirtyEight. If the Republican race is Calvinball, with everyone making up the rules as they go along, the Democratic race is more like — zzzzzzz — golf. Clinton entered Tuesday night with the equivalent of a four-stroke lead with four holes to play. Then on the 15th hole, when Sanders already needed a minor miracle, she birdied while Sanders bogied. It’s not that it’s mathematically impossible for Sanders to win; Clinton could have some sort of epic meltdown. But she controls her own fate while Sanders doesn’t really control his, and she has quite a lot of tolerance for error.

Sanders has run a good campaign, and the fact that he ran competitively with Clinton in diverse states such as Michigan, Missouri and Illinois is more impressive in many ways than his early successes in Iowa and New Hampshire. But around 15 million Democrats have voted and, simply put, more of them seem to want Clinton as their nominee.


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Blickers
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2016 07:43 am
@engineer,
Quote engineer:
Quote:
I think if Michigan blew up the Clinton narrative that Sanders was only a factor is the very white Northeast, Ohio blew up the narrative that Clinton is only winning in the South where the Republicans already have a lock. Clinton won in Florida, Ohio and likely Missouri, all battleground states.


Actually, Ohio might be a somewhat tainted Clinton victory because about a sixth of the registered Democrats crossed over to vote for Kasich against Trump. Who those temporarily "lost" Dems, (obviously, they'll be voting Democratic in November), would have favored had they voted in the Democratic primary instead is open to conjecture, but this report says that the crossover vote is high in former immigrant neighborhoods who have voted Democratic for generations. Those type of people tend to have high union membership, and Bernie does well among union households. So there's that factor to consider. Here's a report on this:
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/crossover-vote-shocks-officials-in-ohio-645195331835
engineer
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2016 08:06 am
@Blickers,
I'd counter that by saying the Sanders voters seem pretty passionate. I can't see them switching over to vote for Kasich.
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revelette2
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2016 08:08 am
@Blickers,
Quote:
but this report says that the crossover vote is high in former immigrant neighborhoods who have voted Democratic for generations


Unions might favor Bernie, but I am not sure immigrants do. Most of the immigrants in Ohio are Middle Eastern? Probably Trump talking about banning all Muslims "trumped" every other consideration. I'm just guessing, didn't watch the whole video.
parados
 
  2  
Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2016 08:11 am
@Blickers,
One could as easily argue that long time Democrats would be more likely to vote for Hillary and expecting Hillary to win easily they felt they could cross over.
Blickers
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2016 09:10 am
@parados,
Bernie did well in union households in New Hampshire. Of course New Hampshire is right next to Vermont, so that's another factor, possibly.
 

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