Bernie's In

@bobsal u1553115,

Hot damn!

@Lash,

Hillary will pick up more delegates than Sanders on Tuesday. It only makes it harder and harder for Bernie to win. Bernie tying in Illinois, Ohio and Michigan and losing big in Florida only gets Hillary closer to the number of delegates she needs.

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@parados,

One thing worrying is voters seem to be switching parties more than in the past. Read the following this morning:

Capitol Insider: Thousands switching party affiliation on eve of Ohio primary

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@revelette2,

This doesn't worry me that much. There are a lot of people whose grandparents were one party, whose parents were the same party and that is the party the registered as. They haven't voted that way in decades, but they are still registered that way. Now, they want to vote in the primary so they are making the effort to change registration.

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@engineer,

It worries me a bit because I am afraid some republicans may vote for Bernie to weaken Hillary. It turns out it really doesn't matter because Ohio is an open primary now.

see here

Luckily Florida is a closed primary. see here

This is what Bernie Porn of pollster EPIC-MRA. said concerning the Michigan upset:

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Some Clinton supporters chose to vote in the Republican primary. We know 7 percent of voters in the Republican primary identified themselves as Democrats to exit pollsters, compared with just 4 percent of voters in the Democratic primary who said they were Republicans. “Those 7 percent of Dems were likely mostly Hillary voters who thought she had an easy win and they could do their part trying to stop [Donald] Trump,” said Bernie Porn of pollster EPIC-MRA. The exit-poll samples are too small, though, to check that.

In other words, I am starting to be leery of all polls and projections (although other than Michigan 538 has been right a lot so far) and hope supporters and the Hillary team does not start getting complacent.

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@Lash,

Remember, he just needs 54% in every state to have a shot at this. Leading 48-46% only makes Hillary's chance of winning stronger

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@revelette2,

I think Bernie Porn doesn't understand why people cross party lines to vote in the primaries.

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Bernie could win EVERY state left 53%-47% and still LOSE.

He rarely breaks 53% in anything other than caucus states and there are only 10 of those left.

Bernies chances of winning this thing are berning up.

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@ehBeth,

Well, I don't know about Bernie Porn (never heard of it) but I do know there is an issue of primary sabotage. I realize it is convenient for independent voters to vote either party or third party or write in their own, however it does have a vulnerability issue.

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There are some distinct disadvantages to an open primary. It is not uncommon for voters from one party to request the ballot of an opposing party and vote for the weakest candidate, in the hopes of nominating that weaker candidate to the race for office. An open primary also allows voters to easily defect from their stated party affiliation. However, independents and people who have no party affiliation appreciate the open primary, as it allows them to participate in the democratic process without allying themselves to a particular political party.

source

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@revelette2,

Switching parties may move a vote by a few percentage points. That is only 1 or 2 delegates since the Democrats always are proportional with their delegates.

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@revelette2,

It would be useful if the wise geek put in some references, since its comments don't match much of the research I've seen. I'd be interested if there was research to back up those statements.

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@revelette2,

Switching parties then switching back takes serious effort. If I would walk in as a Republican and say "give me the Dem ballot", then I think it would happen some. If I have to go to the registration office and change my affiliation, I think it is going to be pretty rare. I think what we are seeing is in name only Democrats switching to Republican to vote in the primary.

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@engineer,

I also think switching party takes a lot of effort. It's easier to become an Independent. The republicans party is no longer what it used to be when I was a registered republican. I think democrats have swung to the right. Most people don't care about these changes, but I do.

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@cicerone imposter,

Not to mention, once someone declares they are Independent, they are freed from any responsibility of defending either Republican or Democrat actions. Makes life ever so much simpler.

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@roger,

Absolutely. It's quite nice not having to defend anyone.

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@engineer,

In a big city, perhaps. In my town, which is not rural at all, the Town Hall is a ten minute drive from anywhere in town and there is never a line at the voter registration bureau.

The double switch is not likely common, probably because there are not that many people that interested in politics at the primary level, not because it would be difficult to accomplish.

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@Blickers,

Voter fraud is stupid.

Quote:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/...voter-fraud/.../gIQ...The Washington Post
Oct 7, 2011 - Under federal law, perpetrators face up to five years in prison and a fine of $10,000 for each act of fraud. In Alabama, voter fraud is punishable by up to two years in prison and a $2,000 fine. In Wisconsin, the punishment is up to 31 / 2 years in prison and a $10,000 fine.

Go ahead. Be my guest, and perpetrate voter fraud. Any dummies here? LOL

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@cicerone imposter,

I'm not advocating voter fraud, I'm just saying a partisan of one party in a state which does not have open primaries would not usually find it that hard to change their party to vote for who they feel is the weakest candidate of the other party, then go back to change their registration so they can vote in their own party's primary next year.

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@Blickers,

What idiot is going to go through all that for one negative vote? Never mind the penalty involved if they're caught.

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@cicerone imposter,

John Oliver did a big piece on voter fraud. And it's a real problem, from gerrymandering to dodgy voting machines and representatives voting for their colleagues if absent or even dead. Someone claiming to vote for someone else is not an issue, and those that are trying to make it so are just trying to rob, mostly elderly black, people of the right to vote.

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