CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2005 12:50 pm
Yes it is spendius, but taking a row boat instead would
be regress, don't you agree?

Okay, tell me why you want to control progress? What
is it you are afraid of, if it is not controlled?
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2005 01:07 pm
Your point about the rowing boat misses my point about the desire.Of course if the desire to travel long distances exists jet planes are better that rowing boats to satisfy it.But only for those in certain places and with certain privileges.If the whole population of the western world had a strong desire to fly away and the capacity to do so I don't think you would ever see the sun again.Would that be progress?So progress is being controlled right there.

Are you of aristocratic lineage?
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devriesj
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2005 01:16 pm
Good grief, Spendi-, slap my patties! It was just a question to provoke a response, nothing more.

You bring up an interesting point, Spendi-, but don't you think it impractical?

I am not of aristocratic lineage that I know, but my hubby is suposedly decended from some Viking 'royalty', but I've yet to see real proof, even if he does resemble one - a viking, that is! Are you?
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2005 01:30 pm
No.I come from the distant past.

I don't really understand your post.Which question?

And do I think what is impractical?
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2005 01:50 pm
I'm not devriesj, but I think she meant with "impractical"
your idea to curb flying.

You probably haven't been to an airport lately, otherwise
you'd know that half of the world is indeed flying frequently.
The skies are filled with planes and near collisions are
more common today, as 10 years ago. Yes, progress needs
to be made, even when it comes to flying.

I realize you're taking progress as a subjective matter,
but luckily, it cannot be halted by you, me or anyone else.

No aristocratic lineage in my genealogy either, at least
as far as I know.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2005 01:51 pm
I forget a question Embarrassed

Where do you think, progress needs to be made?
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2005 01:59 pm
I did not express any idea to curb flying.I don't know how you read me saying that.I simply pointed out that if everybody had a desire to fly and could do it life wouldn't be worth living so I presumed you only wished certain people,such as yourself,to be able to fly.Isn't that an aristocratic position?It's a class and racial argument that's all.
The number of people flying has "progressed" numerically and as you said you were in favour of untrammeled progress I wished to see at what point you would control that progression if at all.

Does that make sense? (SS).
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devriesj
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2005 02:11 pm
Yes, I meant about flying, and I know the world is doing so, but I suppose I was implying an 'all-at-once' sort of thing.

Yes it makes sense, Spendi-. I think it a bit simplistic to call your inference to flying being a racial / class thing a bit simplistic. Are you speaking of people's inability to afford flying or that planes, etc. are not in ALL parts of the world in that not ALL people have or want access to them?
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2005 02:42 pm
It was only an illustration to do with showing that progress needs to be controlled.If it was uncontrolled everybody would end up flying and those who fly now wouldn't want that and would vote for controlling it just about the place on the list where they could fly.And the list does split,I'm afraid,on class and racial specifications.In general I mean.More and more Chinese are flying though.Our tourist industry is gearing up for them.
And blotting out the sun is a broad term.

Is that clearer? Ding Ding.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2005 02:53 pm
No, not at all!
Everybody will end up flying at one point or another, and
yes, the Chinese will outnumber us tenfold and book up
flights for years to come, if we control or stop the progress in aviation technology.

Flying has nothing to do with class or racial specifications,
as a train ride from LA to NY would be around the same
amount for a ticket.

There is another area where better progress could be made:
speed trains! What do you think of that?
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2005 03:05 pm
Speed trains, or bullet trains as some people call them, would be an exceptional idea.

But what about really fast hot air balloons? Would that be practical?
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2005 03:14 pm
Oh gustav, that was a catch 22 question.
Not very practical but to the liking of spendius, I'm sure.

Have you flown before?
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2005 03:16 pm
Yes, I have a pilot's license.

Have you?
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2005 03:28 pm
No I cannot fly by myself! I even was very reluctantly handed my driver license, when I got that one....

Do you fly often?
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2005 04:26 pm
I'm on one.A speed train of thought.But I got it from the papers and TV and it's not all that speedy.

When you say speed trains in the transportation business do you mean those where you pick up the remote control,press the blue button,get dicombabulated into an electronic impulse, shot up to a satellite,bounced back and reconstituted just in time to see the last two furlongs of the Melbourne cup?Dr Who and all that.For people with a burning desire to travel and see the world that sounds like real progress.I fancy it myself as a matter of fact.
As long as it's only the last two furlongs and I can be back on the sofa just as quick without security having official permission to look up my bottom.
Do you think that's a possibility?
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2005 05:22 pm
Ha, finally we found something spendius does fancy - a speed train.

I think a true alternative to flying - like a speed train -
would alleviate congestion in the air tremendously. I definitely would prefer a train to a plane, if I can get to
Boston at the same time, if not earlier than a plane.

Hm, I have flown quite often already, but never ever (knock on wood) was I strip searched or did anyone attempt to
look up my bottom. So don't flatter yourself, it won't happen.

Where would you take the speed train to?
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2005 05:46 pm
San Diego.It looks good on Google Earth and with all those scientists there I might be better off than with this load of goofballs here.

I didn't say than anybody would look up my bottom.All I said was they had permission to and with discretionary powers.So I'm staying put.You can take your chances.I can't make my mind up whether or not I hope you are right.I bet you would be pretty indignant if it happened.

How long would it take to get there and back on an ideal speed train?

(Snoozers).
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jul, 2005 06:30 pm
I have to agree, San Diego does look good, but
how would a speed train cross the ocean? Underground
tunnel or one of those water rollercoasters? Hm, to make
it worthwile, a speed train shouldn't take longer than
9 hours, one way, traveling at 500 mph (considering the 4500 miles distance).

Yes, I would be mighty indignant if I ever was strip searched. Who woudn't?
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 1 Aug, 2005 08:44 am
If you were strip searched I shouldn't think the security men would be indignant for laughing at your indignation.If ever it happens it's best to be blase about it.It's all in a day's work to the boys.

The speed train I had in mind was 1sec flat.Like how this print is transmitted.9 hours out of my loop and into that of an on edge faceless bureaucracy is not my idea of how to pass precious time.I'd sooner lean on a field gate chewing a stalk of grass.

Aren't we supposed to be discussing love or progress or something?

Who changed the subject?
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Mon 1 Aug, 2005 09:00 am
We tried to discuss love already, and I believe we have
different takes on that. Dto. for progress, however you
agreed that progress in train technology would be something
you encourage, aside from all the other progress, you
hesitantly objected to. So there we are discussing speed
trains.

Now you want to get from Europe to the US in 1 sec. flat,
which would be comparable to "beam me up Scotty".
I would like that too.

So,why aren't you working on something like this, nerdy Mister Scientist?
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