When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

@revelette2,

It is embarrassing this twit is so far along in this race. If someone told this would ever happen, I'd have choked to death laughing, but like you say, not funny and it is depressing..

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Experts: New Clinton State Dept. emails show donor ‘access,’ not ‘favors’

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@revelette2,

Look at the naivety of your comment and the USA TODAYS Headline.

Donors having access IS A FAVOR. Most had no legitimate State business.
The result of some of these meetings granted FAVORS to those who gained access.
When an Arab Sheik donates 30M to the Clinton Foundation, they want MORE THAN A MEETING !!!!!!

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@woiyo,

Bullshit. Every major donor/aggregator of a political candidate has the opportunity to meet the candidate. That is true and has been true of every candidate, in every election, in the history of the United States.

Lots of people meet candidates too, not just donors.

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@woiyo,

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Donors having access IS A FAVOR

Not according to recent court rulings.

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Judicial Watch’s charge that Clinton abused her office is also complicated by U.S. law, as determined by the Supreme Court in a 2014 case titled McCutcheon v FEC. The court determined that placing aggregate limits on campaign contributions is not valid and does not prevent corruption. “Ingratiation and access are not corruption,” the court found.

Personally I agree, Huma Abedin should not have granted access, but apparently is it not against the campaign laws. Moreover, there is zero evidence any favors were granted on account of the access to the SD in any of the emails.

Sometimes with all these attempts to get Hillary Clinton on something it reminds me of that old song in the seventies, "Another one bites the dust and another one down." They get all excited, go through a big build up and in the end they end up with nothing.

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

1Sometimes with all these attempts to get Hillary Clinton on something it reminds me of that old song in the seventies, "Another one bites the dust and another one down." They get all excited, go through a big build up and in the end they end up with nothing.

But... but... but... she's corrupt! Really! How can a woman be successful in politics without being corrupt? She's a Democrat! That should be enough evidence on it's own! IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME!!!!!

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@maporsche,

Not in exchange for favors !!!

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@DrewDad,

DrewDad wrote:

But... but... but... she's corrupt! Really! How can a woman be successful in politics without being corrupt? She's a Democrat! That should be enough evidence on it's own! IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME!!!!!

That much repeated mantra would play much better were it not for the long standing pattern of verified facts about the Clintons and Hillary in particular. Indeed it is a disservice to both women and Democrats.

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I think the voting public is just sick and tired of hearing about the whole matter of emails no matter what angle it is looked at, it is all the same as it has been for twenty years. Conservatives doing all in their pitiful power to bring the Clinton down, they can't do it. Hillary is still going pretty strong in the polls and if it continues this way and if what we have seen so far is all they got, she will win.

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@georgeob1,

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That much repeated mantra would play much better were it not for the long standing pattern of verified facts about the Clintons and Hillary in particular.

Yeah, verified facts like she supposedly had Vince Foster killed, because they supposedly had an affair. Then the same right wing idiots who said that for several years turn around and claim that Hillary is a full lesbian whose marriage to Bill is just a sham. Same people. Who neglect to mention that if Hillary were really a lesbian in a sham marriage, why would she choose a man to have an affair with.

According to them, Bill & Hillary are just two monsters who have spent the last 3 decades murdering anyone who gets in their way, 30 dead and counting supposedly, then being so deceptively evil that NOBODY can nail them.

Forget the "I'm just reasonable" act George. If and when Hillary takes office, her first priority should be to get funding for the mental health needs of the conservatives who have spent the last 25 years believing anything about her. When that happens I'm sure somebody at A2K will post the phone number of the appropriate agency here for the conservatives who need it.

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@woiyo,

woiyo wrote:

Not in exchange for favors !!!

Again, a huge campaign donor and supporter meeting with the candidate they donated to, is NOT a favor. It's EXACTLY what people donate for.

There's no way that I'd donate even $10,000 (much less millions) to the DNC and HRC or their PACs unless I was able to meet the candidates and let them know what I wanted and expected. That is a minimum.

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

I think the voting public is just sick and tired of hearing about the whole matter of emails no matter what angle it is looked at, it is all the same as it has been for twenty years.

What makes you think this? Because she's ahead in the polls, or because you want to believe it?

I'm sure there are plenty of voters sick and tired of hearing about Clinton's e-mail, but there are also plenty who who are not because with each new revelation her trust numbers could go down and her chances of becoming president decrease. Plus, one of them might contain the smoking gun needed to prosecute her.

The former think the latter are nuts and the latter think the former are lapdogs.

The majority of people who haven't made up their minds about Clinton or Trump probably haven't given it much thought yet. It's not like there isn't a pretty clear choice (assuming the voter will pick on or the other)

They are the folks who don't care much about staying in tune with the news and so they've not been "overdosed" with stories about e-mail. They get their impressions from the periphery. I don't think there is a substantial difference in the number who hear people in their office arguing about the e-mail and think "More about the e-mail! What's the big deal!" and "More about the e-mail! Maybe this is a big deal!"

There are also plenty of people who are just sick to death of political stories whether they be about Clinton's e-mail, or Trump's nasty tweets.

I think she will win in November but it won't be because people feel sorry for her about the e-mail coverage. There is a reason why a majority of those polled don't find her trustworthy, and if you're going to try and give them credit for not taking the e-mail issue seriously you really can't suggest that they've been duped by the Great Right Wing Conspiracy.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Everyone that I know in my personal life keeps up with political news and most of them are sick and tired of hearing about the emails. Why do you think Bernie line was such a big hit? It resonated. I doubt a lot of people feel sorry for her. I do because I don't see what she gets out of this that she doesn't already have. But I don't think what I think is what everybody thinks.

As long as she wins in November and Trump does not, I really don't care what the reason why is.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

What makes you think this? Because she's ahead in the polls, or because you want to believe it?

I'm sure there are plenty of voters sick and tired of hearing about Clinton's e-mail, but there are also plenty who who are not because with each new revelation her trust numbers could go down and her chances of becoming president decrease.

And the latter are, apparently, clearly in the minority.

Earlier this month (August 4-7), the Monmouth University poll asked respondents about whether Hillary's been honest about the email issue - and also about whether they want the media to keep covering the story.

Turns out that, by ample majorities, they believe Hillary has been dishonest about it, but they're also tired of hearing about it already.

"Do you believe Hillary Clinton has been or has not been honest about how she handled using a personal email account during her time as secretary of state?"

27% - Has been honest
64% - Has not been honest
9% - Unsure

"Are you tired of hearing about Clinton's emails or do you think this is something the media should continue to cover?"

63% - Tired of hearing about
34% - Media should continue to cover
3% - Unsure

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Finn wrote:

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Blah blah blah blah blah ... I think she will win in November but ... blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah... one of them might contain the smoking gun needed to prosecute her. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah...

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@nimh,

Forgot the link: http://www.pollingreport.com/wh16.htm

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@nimh,

The Emails business has a half-life of about a month. That means at the end of every month, it's only worth half as much as it was at the beginning. There's 2½ months to Election Day. That means that, mathematically, this already fading issue will be worth about 1/6 what it is worth now by the time people vote.

Conservatives can have fun trying to reverse the law of diminishing returns.

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@revelette2,

revelette2 wrote:

Everyone that I know in my personal life keeps up with political news and most of them are sick and tired of hearing about the emails. Why do you think Bernie line was such a big hit? It resonated. I doubt a lot of people feel sorry for her. I do because I don't see what she gets out of this that she doesn't already have. But I don't think what I think is what everybody thinks.

But, you think they are like everyone you know in your personal life.

There is a myth in this country that undecided voters are sitting around listening to all the facts and working on making a sensible judgment come Election Day. For the most part they are not. They are the people I described who haven't bothered to consider a decision. They are the ones that need to be pushed to vote, and many never do.

In this Election though there could be a lot of people who can't stand either candidate and who are undecided because they are waiting for something like the debates, or a blockbuster October surprise to tip them one way or the other, because for some reason they feel they must vote for one or the other on a "lesser of two evils basis"

I suppose the Democrats have something about Trump in store yet, but the Republicans are wishing mightily that an e-mail smoking gun is revealed. In the absence of that they are hoping that a constant flow of e-mail "revelations" will tip the scales against Clinton.

Regardless of whether or not there is anything truly of substance in the e-mails or in regards to the Foundation she has personally kept the story alive and in the news because she clearly lies, and perhaps when there's no need to, and because she has fought transparency since day one.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

But Finn, it's been a constant flow of supposed "scandals" for a quarter century, and many of them are quite preposterous, and many of them had little-to-nothing to them. As a result, these perpetual "scandals" slip away unnoticed except for the people who keep their ear glued to the AM dial or their eyes glued to right wing blogs. These True Believers post lists to each other on social media about all the "scandals" along with impassioned wailing about how DARE "Hitlery" run for president.

You might think that constant bringing up the subject will tip the scales, but much more likely the constant prattling on about something people care less and less about will tip the scales in the other direction.

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@nimh,

Since you rely on polls so much for your arguments you must know that there is a lot of influence on results based on how questions are phrased.

It would have been helpful if Monmouth University asked a third question

"Are your tired of media coverage of the election?"

Perhaps they did and you can tell us?

A better question or at least and additional question to the one they asked would have been

"If there are new revelations about the e-mail do you think the media should cover them?"

Were there any new e-mail stories at the time the poll was taken?

Is Monmouth the only pollster that asked this question of those polled? I believe it was, but you might know better. It was certainly the only one that Clinton supporters trumpeted.

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