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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
glitterbag
 
  1  
Thu 7 Jul, 2016 10:52 am
@Baldimo,
It doesn't.
Baldimo
 
  1  
Thu 7 Jul, 2016 11:07 am
@glitterbag,
Would the govt have given her server access to the secure network?
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Thu 7 Jul, 2016 11:11 am
@glitterbag,
Here's the story on Hillary's emails. It's public knowledge.
http://www.newsweek.com/clinton-hawkishness-revealed-her-emails-469351
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georgeob1
 
  1  
Thu 7 Jul, 2016 11:13 am
@blatham,
And do you, Bernie, represent the style of Modern Liberalism in America?
The central theme of a large fraction of your comments here has involved efforts to impugn the motives and intentions of those with whom you don't agree on political issues. Much of that involves criticisms of Conservative commentators who themselves criticize the motives and intentions of their political opponents. I frequently wonder if you perceive the similiarities in your commentary and theirs.

Here you are insisting that the expressed concerns about Hillary's "extremely careless" use of a private e mail server, and her many evasive and deceptive statements about, it are entirely motivated by political concerns. How the hell do you claim to know that?

I think it's a safe bet that political issues are indeed very much a part of it all - on both political sides of this matter - some involving little beyond the political contest ahead. However, among many it may well be motivated by serious concerns about the character of a person who seeks the highest office in the land. Certainly Hillary has a long-standing pattern of self-serving deception and distortion of facts. I have a lot of experience hiring and choosing people for responsible management positions and I would be very reluctant to ever choose anyone so given to such dissimulation and evasion for any such role. I believe many other serious people hold similar opinions.

In addition, there is the potential for valid concerns about Clinton's motivations for the use of a personal server. We now know that her original explanation that she wished to use only "one device" for such communications was a bald lie : she was already using many. The elephant in the room here is the obviously possible intent to evade future requests for information under the Freedom of Information Laws. That, too is a matter of real potential concern for voters approaching the choices ahead.


Lash
 
  1  
Thu 7 Jul, 2016 11:18 am
She refused to use the secure government platform because she was trying to hide from FOIA requests. Obama had promised a more transparent government (laughs ass off at that great lie), so he attempted to tighten security requirements and told her not to "fundraise" for her family "foundation" while in his administration.

She laughed in her sleeve, signed the contract, and proceeded to hire an IT guy to create a homebrew server to hide her extracurricular mobster strong arming of people dealing with her as Secretary of State.

Of course, Obama knew she'd do this the whole time. He let her off too, but the contract served as plausible deniability.

snood
 
  1  
Thu 7 Jul, 2016 11:21 am
What crime did Hillary commit? What could Comey (the republican) have indicted her for?
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cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 7 Jul, 2016 11:31 am
@Lash,
I'll repeat the question for you.
What crime did Hillary commit? What could Comey (the republican) have indicted her for?
maporsche
 
  4  
Thu 7 Jul, 2016 11:33 am
@cicerone imposter,
Comey says, under oath,
"One of my employees would not be prosecuted for this. They would face consequences" (likely reprimand).

Also,
"I did not coordinate that with anyone. The White House, DOJ, nobody other than the FBI family knew what I was about to say. I say this under oath"
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Lash
 
  -1  
Thu 7 Jul, 2016 11:37 am
@cicerone imposter,
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/foia-hillary-clinton-email-daniel-metcalfe-116011

A little impatient, CI. I always give you time to see and respond to questions.

Hillary Clinton defied the Freedom of Information Act.

cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 7 Jul, 2016 11:53 am
@Lash,
I'm not here to defend Clinton. You'll have to ask her.
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woiyo
 
  2  
Thu 7 Jul, 2016 12:56 pm
@cicerone imposter,
It can now be proven that Clinton lied under oath to Congress when she said she never sent or received classified e-mails.

Wanna wager if that point ever comes up?
maporsche
 
  1  
Thu 7 Jul, 2016 01:02 pm
@woiyo,
woiyo wrote:

It can now be proven that Clinton lied under oath to Congress when she said she never sent or received classified e-mails.

Wanna wager if that point ever comes up?


Perjury requires that the person is proven to lie on purpose. Remembering facts inaccurately is not perjury.

You'd be asking a jury to convict a women in her 60's who needed to remember 0.02% of her emails from 3-7 years ago who may not have known the material was classified.

Good luck getting that conviction.
Baldimo
 
  3  
Thu 7 Jul, 2016 01:07 pm
@maporsche,
Yet you trust her memory and judgement to be President?
maporsche
 
  2  
Thu 7 Jul, 2016 01:15 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

Yet you trust her memory and judgement to be President?


100%

Email management is a very small part of the president's job I suspect...and arguably the least important.
Baldimo
 
  1  
Thu 7 Jul, 2016 01:19 pm
@maporsche,
Knowing better which emails to send over a secure network and which ones not to send over a non-secure network I think is a pretty big deal. It shows a lack of judgement on her part and setting up a server in violation of State Dept rules is another red flag.
maporsche
 
  2  
Thu 7 Jul, 2016 01:26 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

Knowing better which emails to send over a secure network and which ones not to send over a non-secure network I think is a pretty big deal. It shows a lack of judgement on her part and setting up a server in violation of State Dept rules is another red flag.


No, at worst it shows a mistake made by a very busy women, using technology she doesn't understand (few do), who sent over 50,000 work emails in the course of her 4 year tenure at the State Department

I imagine that there were thousands of other emails on the .gov with classified information that she sent using the correct procedure. That there were SO FEW cases of mix-up (most (according to Comey) by her staff, not by her directly) is not surprising at all.
Baldimo
 
  1  
Thu 7 Jul, 2016 01:30 pm
@maporsche,
I'm sorry to tell you but Hillary has been involved in the govt since email came into use. She isn't new to the technology and trying to use her age as an excuse is beyond lame. If she can't handle something simple like email, then she can't be trusted with the really important stuff. The problem came when she set up that illegal server in the first place. Even the State Dept has come out and admitted that the server violated the rules. You can say the other people in her position did the same thing but they didn't. They didn't have private servers setup at their houses, they were using emails setup in Gmail or other such public email systems but not their own private servers...
maporsche
 
  1  
Thu 7 Jul, 2016 01:30 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:
Knowing better which emails to send over a secure network and which ones not to send over a non-secure network I think is a pretty big deal.


I think this is probably a lie too.

You don't think it's a big deal. You hate Clinton so you're intent on making it a big deal. I understand why you're doing what you're doing. I'm just not going to be swayed by it.
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maporsche
 
  2  
Thu 7 Jul, 2016 01:33 pm
@Baldimo,
She said that server was a mistake and has apologized for it. I'm 100% certain that's the last time a personal email server will be used by Hillary Clinton in regards to her government job (which will be President).

There is ZERO possibility that Clinton is a technology expert. Zero.
Baldimo
 
  0  
Thu 7 Jul, 2016 01:38 pm
@maporsche,
It wasn't a mistake, it was blatant. It was only a mistake because it was found out. Hence the reason she panicked and had the server and all it's information deleted. She thought she was smarter than everyone else and could fool everyone. It's the reason why she lied from the start of the investigation. I'm just sorry people such as yourself fall for this crap and believe her. She has made way to many "mistakes" for someone who has been in politics for the last 30 years.
 

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