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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
snood
 
  2  
Sun 3 Jul, 2016 02:35 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
I don't hate Hillary Clinton at all. I merely believe she is unfit for office.


Do you see Donald Trump as "fit" for the office of the POTUS?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 3 Jul, 2016 02:37 pm
@snood,
Yea, he's going to "make America great again!" Although, America is doing great compared to all other countries on this planet.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)
georgeob1
 
  1  
Sun 3 Jul, 2016 02:43 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

[Do you see Donald Trump as "fit" for the office of the POTUS?


I have serious questions about that and am evaluating the issue.
cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Sun 3 Jul, 2016 03:12 pm
@georgeob1,
If you still have questions about racist Trump with his wall and banning all Muslims, you really need to evaluate your current position.
Trump is unfit to be POTUS.
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Blickers
 
  3  
Sun 3 Jul, 2016 03:20 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote georgeob1:
Quote:
the State Department IG has already denied her claims that she vilated no policy and complied with all requirements. The FBI is investigating the possible criminality of it all

Even if she did violate the rules, like maporsche said, coming to work without a tie also violates the rules but it's not criminal. As parados quoted, the violation has to be willing and knowing, (if there were violations), and that makes her criminality, and the FBI's pursuit of an indictment, extremely unlikely.
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Blickers
 
  3  
Sun 3 Jul, 2016 03:26 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote cicerone imposter:
Quote:
Yea, he's [Trump's] going to "make America great again!" Although, America is doing great compared to all other countries on this planet.....


Actually, to measure a country "doing great" you use a variety of measures. GDP per capita is a valuable one, there are others. By that measure, we are tenth. But the countries ahead of us are small, homogenous nations, not dynamic nations with immigrants from all countries, especially poor ones, coming in.
GDP per capita:
1 Qatar $132,099
2 Luxembourg $98,987
3 Singapore $85,253
4 Brunei $79,587
5 Kuwait $70,166
6 Norway $68,430
7 United Arab Emirates $67,617
8 San Marino $63,104
9 Switzerland $58,551
— Hong Kong $56,701
10 United States $55,805

glitterbag
 
  4  
Sun 3 Jul, 2016 03:28 pm
@georgeob1,
Well, I spent my entire career at NSA with tours at other intel agencies, as well as the Pentagon and the State Department and White House situation room. I traveled behind the iron curtain for the State Department and lived thru the investigations of Watergate as well as Iran Contra. My point of view has been shaped by my career experiences.

You may not hate Hillary but you can be assured that the Clintons enemies have successfully prevented the Clintons from ever being respected for any good they might do. I think its entirely possible she may become our next president and what I am dreading is another 4 years of bellyaching and rehashing of every rumor or charge levied against the Clintons over the last 30 years. I served my country and I'm a little sick of the distractions. We are still engaged in war, but the American public is distracted by gay marriage, transgender bathroom privileges, women's health issues and I'm more than fed up that we have taken our eyes the off ball and allowed the false patriotism of the tea party drag down both the Democrat and Republican parties.

I've lost patience with an ungrateful and peevish population. A nation that thinks it's great that the president can be insulted during the State of the Union address, a people who now comport as if the entire country is a combination of the composure of real housewives of New Jersey combined with the dignity of a women's roller derby team. That is not where I thought my country was going.

Today is probably not the day when I can patiently describe my feelings about the overall health of this country. And I probably should have waited until tomorrow to respond. Once I started to reply I found myself feeling hopeless about our people and how easily distracted we are. I'm heart sick at the state of our political discourse, I'm sick over our racist attitudes and our intolerance. I think I just saw too much during my career and I don't understand how we have become such a nation of crybabies and wussies. There was a time I was proud of my service and my husbands ongoing service, today, not so much.

Ill try to respond tomorrow when I am not as despondent over the news, I'll shake it off, just not at 17:22 hours on the 3rd of July. I think I need watch the George M. Cohan story with James Cagney, that always makes me feel better.




cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 3 Jul, 2016 03:41 pm
@Blickers,
Your list is not only laughable, it's a joke in so many ways. Try to guess why your list of countries doesn't equate to the US.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 3 Jul, 2016 03:55 pm
@Blickers,
Out of the ten richest individuals in the world, eight are Americans.
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Blickers
 
  2  
Sun 3 Jul, 2016 06:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote cicerone imposter:
Quote:
Your list is not only laughable, it's a joke in so many ways. Try to guess why your list of countries doesn't equate to the US.

I give up. What measure would you use to say a country is doing great?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 3 Jul, 2016 06:46 pm
@Blickers,
If California were to be a country, it would be the 8th richest in the world. Apple Computer is the richest company in the world.
Qatar is rich because of its oil and gas, and the size of its population. Not because of its innovation or productive capacity.
Apple and Google, both based in our area are the two richest companies in the world.
Apple makes many people rich; both its employees and investors. Who enjoys the riches in Qatar?
georgeob1
 
  1  
Sun 3 Jul, 2016 07:50 pm
@glitterbag,
We have been insulting our leaders since the nation was created. Presidents from Jackson to Lincoln, both Johnsons, Nixon and many others have been villified with abandon. Ironically some of the political organizations, newspapers and even individuals who so viciously attacked Richard Nixon and mocked Ronald Reagan are today piously decrying contemporatry hostility toward the Clintons. Intolerance is a part of the human condition, and you appear to share in it as well. We live in an age in which long term values , good and bad, are being overturned and rejected. while our intolerence is is now merely directed at other things. We delude ourselves with the notion that we are overcoming past imperfections in a progressive march towards harmony and perfection. Recorded history amply discredits such fantasies.

There's a lot of deceit, falsehoods, and bad ideas out there, and not all of it is in the teaparty as you appear to suggest. I also agree there's a lot of peevishness and ingratitude as well : not to mention the crybabies and wussification you decry. However I see that across the political spectrum, not as you appear to imply on just one side of the political divide. I run a professional services company and I see a marked change in the current crop of graduates we recruit, the much discussed milennials. Some (not all) I find a bit childish naive, dependent, and even wussy .

There is no doubt that we are today slightly more polarized than we have been for the past few decades. However there were repeated cycles of extreme political polarization throughout the 20th century. I think we'll survive it all.

Congratulations on your career with the intelligence agencies. I did a career in the Navy, flying fighters off carriers and later commanded one and still later a carrier group. No squadron commander, ships captain, or Flag officer when confronted with a major setback, mishap or defeat would last a heartbeat defending him/her self by saying no one told him there was a shortage of something needed; lying about the cause; or asking rhetorically "what difference does it make at this point?" I am appalled at the many recent rejections of accountability coming from the present Administration. That is a dangerous trend and those who do it are, in my view, unsuitable for positions of authority and responsibillity.
Blickers
 
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Sun 3 Jul, 2016 08:18 pm
@cicerone imposter,
So what's your measure of a "rich"country? I gave GDP per capita, which is not perfect but at least is better than some other measures.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 3 Jul, 2016 08:21 pm
@Blickers,
GDP per capita is a very good measure. I also rate a "rich country" that has freedoms, universal health care, government assistance when needed for shelter and food, free education, and a happy populace.
roger
 
  1  
Sun 3 Jul, 2016 08:26 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Like Venezuela?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 3 Jul, 2016 08:32 pm
@roger,
I wouldn't consider a visit to Venezuela during my life time.
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Blickers
 
  1  
Sun 3 Jul, 2016 08:38 pm
@Blickers,
PS: Qatar has a higher life expectancy than the US. That is traditionally used a general guide to living conditions. And the UN rates Qatar as a country of "very high development", like the US.f

Of course, the situations of Qatar and the US are far different. Qatar was a backward country that happened to have oil, the US built up a big industrial and post industrial base. The US does not have the highest standard of living in the world, but for a giant country it is among the world's leaders.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Sun 3 Jul, 2016 08:48 pm
@Blickers,
Countries with the longest life expectancy:
Rank Country (years)
1 Monaco 89.52
2 Japan 84.74
3 Singapore 84.68
4 Macau 84.51

Japan as a highly industrialized country is not bad. I've been to all four countries, and I enjoyed Singapore the most even though it's only a city-state. I also have friends there.
Cars are very expensive, because of the limited roads and highways. They have reclaimed land not far from the airport.
I enjoy going to Raffles Hotel and the Long Bar to have a Singapore Sling.
Blickers
 
  1  
Sun 3 Jul, 2016 09:00 pm
@cicerone imposter,
As you can see, three out of the top four countries are small city-states. You can't compare a country of 320 Million to them. Also, three out of four are Asian. Asians have a tendency to live longer, could be the fish in their diet or it could be they are on the average shorter in height. Believe it or not, they are finding out the shorter you are the more likely you are to live longer. Something about the less high the heart needs to pump the blood the better you are, or something.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/16/short-men-live-longer-study_n_5299557.html
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 3 Jul, 2016 09:14 pm
@Blickers,
You name Qatar, and now you don't want small countries listed? LOL
 

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