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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
blatham
 
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Wed 20 Jan, 2016 09:04 am
Best piece I've come across on the billionaire weirdo who's the key funder behind Ted Cruz's campaign...
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A surprising amount of Mercer’s attention and money finds its way to some of the most unusual fringes of the right wing. He’s attended and funded an annual conference organized by Jane Orient, an Arizona physician and activist who recently suggested in an opinion article that elements in the U.S. government might have taken part in the San Bernardino massacre. Mercer money also found its way to an Idaho activist named Fred Kelly Grant, who travels the country encouraging legal challenges to environmental laws, which he says are part of a sinister plot by the United Nations to depopulate rural America.
http://bloom.bg/1ZBhfDJ
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blatham
 
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Wed 20 Jan, 2016 09:13 am
Prediction. If Trump hasn't said it already, he will

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Sarah Palin is a winner!
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revelette2
 
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Wed 20 Jan, 2016 09:27 am
@edgarblythe,
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Isn't it odd that Hillary doesn't get crowds close to that size, no matter what colors the color counters look for.


You may dismiss the importance of demographics in an election at your own risk of disappointment, but I do not think Sanders does which is probably why he has been making an effort to go to places where the black vote is.
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blatham
 
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Wed 20 Jan, 2016 09:35 am
Golly. This seems a little strong.
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Rand Paul calls Donald Trump 'Gollum'

Trump, I expect, will tweet...
"From here at the top of Trump Tower, my burning red eye is totally unconcerned with that loser"
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revelette2
 
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Wed 20 Jan, 2016 09:38 am
@Lash,
When the emails were sent, they were not marked classified. They are seen as classified now by the Inspector General but state department has a dispute about it. So, not a lie but a disagreement over what constitutes classified.

I'll just wait until there is some final report from the FBI before jumping every time they start screaming, "classified, she lied."
blatham
 
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Wed 20 Jan, 2016 09:54 am
It's all about consumer choice. It's about liberty.

David Sirota ‏@davidsirota 25m25 minutes ago
GM CEO Mary Barra says GM's decision to sell airbag-free cars in Latin America is good for "customer choice" http://www.ibtimes.com/general-motors-ceo-mary-barra-defends-marketing-cars-do-not-include-airbags-2272299

Look. If people want to experience the exquisite oddness of rolling blobs of our Quivering Quicksilver around in their mouths, then they sure as hell ought to have that right. We stand foursquare against fascist political correctness at our company.
blatham
 
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Wed 20 Jan, 2016 10:08 am
@georgeob1
You'll certainly already have read this WSJ piece but I'll link it for others...
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As Donald Trump’s Strength Grows, So Do Fears Within GOP of Trump Presidency

...For months, election observers have noted that it’s still early, that things will shake out when the voting draws near. That day is now less than two weeks away.
http://on.wsj.com/1QmV8R0

Women and children to the lifeboats!
coldjoint
 
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Wed 20 Jan, 2016 11:37 am
McGentrix
 
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Wed 20 Jan, 2016 01:09 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:




Hadn't seen that one.
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blatham
 
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Wed 20 Jan, 2016 01:19 pm
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Glenn Beck To Hit Campaign Trail In Iowa With Ted Cruz


It's on! The lunatic endorsers' of lunatic candidates Cage Match! There will be thrills and chills for the whole family! Bring your popcorn! Bring your guns!!
georgeob1
 
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Wed 20 Jan, 2016 01:52 pm
@blatham,
Actually the liquid mercury isn't much of a hazard- it's the airborne vapor that is the hazardous bilogical uptake pathway. If you'e not in a poorly ventillated, confined space there's not much risk.

While I don't know much about the world market for vehicles without airbags , I strongly suspect that most of the main manufacturers in the world are serving this demand. Would you have it otherwise? If so, then who should be making these rules?
blatham
 
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Wed 20 Jan, 2016 01:53 pm
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About a month ago, the Weekly Standard’s Bill Kristol raised the prospect of creating a new party to compete against Republicans if Donald Trump is the GOP’s nominee. Pressed on his plans, Kristol said he’s “semi-serious,” adding, “f Trump were to be the nominee, I’d be open to a new party, probably for 2016 only.”

Yesterday, Hugh Hewitt spoke with the Washington Post’s George Will, a prominent Republican pundit in his own right, who said something similar about what would happen if Trump wins the GOP nomination.

[quote]“[Y]ou would also figure that there would be movement to have a third-party candidate because if the election is Hillary Clinton against Donald Trump, this will be the first election since God knows when, there was no real conservative candidate. […]


“[In 1964] I cast my vote for Barry Goldwater who valued that classic, creative defeat of his because he took the Republican Party and said, ‘Henceforth it will be a conservative party.’ Those of us who feel that way are not about to sit idly and see the Republican Party which was saved by William Howard Taft to 1912 for conservatism that was reclaimed by Barry Goldwater for conservatism, we’re not going to let it disappear in 2016.”
[/quote] http://on.msnbc.com/1nyvWLT

A tent so big it can hold a civil war.






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coldjoint
 
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Wed 20 Jan, 2016 02:00 pm
@blatham,
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There will be thrills and chills for the whole family! Bring your popcorn!


Just like when Killary is indicted?
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georgeob1
 
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Wed 20 Jan, 2016 02:00 pm
@blatham,
Yes I have read it. This disquiet among "establishment Republicans" has been growing for some time. Overall I suspect/hope that more good than bad will come from it. In their different and sometimes perverse ways both Trump and Sanders represent something new and disruptive in the contemporary political milieu. Perhaps it is an appetite for frankness and authenticity across broad and possibly disjoint segments of the political spectrum - something that is otherwise absent. If so I suspect that, given the rough & tumble but highly democratic struggle among Republicans they have a much better chance of synthesizing a solution than do the Democrats, or at least the Clinton crowd among them.
blatham
 
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Wed 20 Jan, 2016 02:09 pm
@georgeob1,
First, as a matter of full transparency, I am presently in the employ of this corporation.

I'm with you here, george. Regardless of peripheral circumstances and consequences, a corporation's ethical responsibility is to its shareholders. If there's money to be made selling a product that will kill and maim men, women and children in some certain and measurable quantities, they are obligated to
pursue those profits quite regardless of where they sell those products and quite regardless of how competitors behave.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhU_jaQwfMo
blatham
 
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Wed 20 Jan, 2016 02:20 pm
@georgeob1,
I'm glad you used the word "authentic" here George. No other word so perfectly describes Trump as that one.
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This disquiet among "establishment Republicans" has been growing for some time

Could you flesh that out a bit for me? What's the history here and who's involved?
georgeob1
 
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Wed 20 Jan, 2016 04:28 pm
@blatham,
I think you are trivializing a much more complex process than you acknowledge. Protecting shareholder value is indeed a core responsibility of a corporation: indeed it is a legal responsibility of Board members. Almost anything can be used for bad or harmful purposes - even vehicles with air bags.

Interestingly the track record for government regulators for designing and enforcing safety standards for cars, aircraft, powerplants and stuff like that isn't very impressive. Generally speaking government is good at one thing - governing or enforcing rules. It is far less good at designing real improvements that make things better. Many of the improvements in aircraft and powerplant design that significantly enhanced both efficient performance and safety came in spite of government regulations based on outdated technologies that limited them.

There's a rich related field involving medical research and the trade-offs between innovation and the regulations protecting the public, and ongoing controversies involving various new drugs and innovations if which I assume you are aware. Some innovation for barely patentable variations of new drugs is likely based solely on profit; some not. The problem is how do you get one without the other? The FDA's role in all this is also hardly without fault. Governments that operate Public health Care systems routinely make decisions about cost and statistical (as opposed to individual) benefit that aren't morally any different from those you are deriding.

With that in mind, I think it's important here to throttle down your impulse towards presumed moral superiority That's an easily adopted mental state that requires no effort, competence or achievement. Real achievement - even making automobiles - requires work, risk, sweat and sometimes moral tradeoffs.
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georgeob1
 
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Wed 20 Jan, 2016 04:35 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

perfectly describes Trump as that one.
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This disquiet among "establishment Republicans" has been growing for some time

Could you flesh that out a bit for me? What's the history here and who's involved?


I think it goes back at least to the Reagan Presidency and the struggle that preceeded it. The next act was the transition to the Bush Presidencies. Within the Congress the current era started with Gingrich in the Clinton years and the second rebellion that we have seen during the past eight. All of that is imbedded in a larger cycle of adventure and retrenchment that I suspect affects most democracies. (Canada retrenched and prospered under Harper and is now willing to try another Trudeau).
georgeob1
 
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Wed 20 Jan, 2016 04:48 pm
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

When the emails were sent, they were not marked classified. They are seen as classified now by the Inspector General but state department has a dispute about it. So, not a lie but a disagreement over what constitutes classified.

I'll just wait until there is some final report from the FBI before jumping every time they start screaming, "classified, she lied."


No it was a lie. The Head of each government Department is the responsible official for the proper classification and protection national security information within the Department. That means protecting the information itself and ensuring that it is classified and treated accordingly. As Secretary Hillary herself was the chief classifying official - she was decidedly not the passive handler of material classified and so marked by others, as she deceitfully implied. We now have compelling evidence that in some cases she directed that classification markings be removed to facilitate her own convenience in getting information. That is a serious and apparently repeated failure, which almost certainly was exploited by foreign sources. The latest batch of e mails released by the State Department contained about a dozen instances of so called compartmented intelligence - above Top Secret. That usually means information that reveals sources and methods for gathering intelligence. People could be killed as a result.
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 20 Jan, 2016 05:01 pm
@georgeob1,
The way I interpret classified material is how I had to live with it while in the USAF. I had a Top Secret clearance, because I worked with nuclear weapons. The first thing we were told were, 1. Don't talk about your job outside of the secured area (where the weapons are stored, 2. If you get caught talking shop outside of the secured area, the penalty was $10,000 and 10 years in prison. This was back in the late fifties. I'm not sure if the penalty has changed.
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