When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

@Blickers,

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Nobody said it had to make sense, though.

You mean sense like the multiple accusations that will grow as the election nears? Rumor has it another 2 dozen women are going to be coming forward.

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@Blickers,

Blickers wrote:

Well if you were reading the thread you wouldn't need to question why I posted the poll from back then-you would know.

You weren't reading the thread at all, you're just a troll who comes by and makes comments for his side.

A very dubious troll who just joined A2K today, and comes right out of the box with snotty attitude and insults. Almost as if its yet another bullshit pseudoname.

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@snood,

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and insults.

Who have i insulted. Remember public figures do not count.

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@snood,

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Almost as if its yet another bullshit pseudoname.

Like yours?

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@snood,

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A very dubious troll who just joined A2K today

We (like other discussion boards) have an "ignore" function for very sound reasons.

A particular and common species of troll is usually immediately identifiable. Two or three posts and you can tell what they're up to. Short sentences, no reasoned rationale, and insults.

Don't feed them. Their game is to evoke emotional responses. You respond and then the board has two (or more) worthless posts messing up the board. Four or five people responding and the thread turns to crap.

Use ignore.

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Michael Gerson (who isn't insane nor without ethics and integrity) has an interesting column up right now at the Post suggesting that both Cruz and Trump, as nominees, would be very bad for the GOP.

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By seizing the GOP, Trump would break it to pieces.

http://wapo.st/1Rrrb3D
There are a few statements Gerson makes which demonstrate a blindness not uncommon in the fellow, such as...

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[Trumpism] is not consistent with conservatism, which, at the very least, involves respect for institutions and commitment to reasoned, incremental change.

"Respect for institutions"? Like Congress? Like the courts? Like the FDA? Etc etc. As one British writer put it a few years back, "Thatcher cannot look at an institution without wanting to hit it with her purse"

What Gerson is pretending (perhaps to his audience, perhaps to himself) is that the phenomena he is bemoaning did not arrive with Trump (or with Cruz). It is the consequence of a party that has been corrupted for a long while and which has a trajectory in that direction which has been evident to others also for a long while.

George Will, a fellow with far less integrity than Gerson, sounds the same alarm...
"If Trump wins the nomination, prepare for the end of the conservative party" http://wapo.st/1RrsmAc

These two guys (and many other such voices on the right) are frightened by what they are seeing right now. Much too little and much too late. And much, much too unwilling or unable to perceive their complicity in what they indict.

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@blindspot,

I know. This would at least be intellectually honest. Just say you don't give a **** how dirty your president is. Much of this dialogue would cease - at least from me.

I'll bring it up when it resurfaces if there is any new information around it. Bill's behavior doesn't go into my assessment of Hillary - unless she played a role in further victimizing women. Of course I have my opinion, but I'm waiting at the gate for verifiable proof...

MEANWHILE, our secretary of state played fast and loose with secure information - because she's above the law, like Bill. Our first royal family.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/08/politics/hillary-clinton-emails-2016/index.html

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@Lash,

Not surprised that you would agree with a new troll. From 1999:
Poll: Most believe media should lay off Broaddrick allegation
By Keating Holland/CNN

March 1, 1999
Web posted at: 5:00 p.m. EST (2200 GMT)

WASHINGTON (March 1) -- About a third of all Americans believe that Juanita Broaddrick's allegation that Bill Clinton raped her in 1978 is definitely true or probably true, and two-thirds of the public thinks that the media should stop pursuing the story, a new CNN/USA Today/ Gallup Poll shows.

Fourteen percent, according to the survey, are convinced that Broaddrick's charge that Clinton raped her is definitely not true, while another 40 percent say that the charge is probably not true.

Most Americans do not believe that Broaddrick has gone public with her allegations to harm Clinton for political reasons. How has the charge affected the public's view of Clinton? Only 32 percent have a positive opinion of him as a person, but that is down only 3 points (within the margin of sampling error) from two weeks ago.

So NBC's airing of the Broaddrick interview last week did not produce a statistically significant change in the public's view of Clinton. His approval rating, now at 66 percent, has also not suffered a significant decline in the wake of the Broaddrick charges, the poll indicated.

The survey of 1,013 adult Americans was conducted February 26-28, and has a margin of sampling error of +/- 3 percentage points.

Here are the questions and results:

Do you think Juanita Broaddrick's allegation that Bill Clinton raped her in 1978 is definitely true, probably true, probably not true, or definitely not true?
Definitely true 5%
Probably true 29
Probably not true 40
Definitely not true 14

Thinking about Juanita Broaddrick's allegation against President Clinton, which of the following statements do you agree with more: This is an important matter that the press should continue to cover and investigate, or this matter is no big deal and the press should stop pursuing this story.
Press should stop pursuing this story 66%
Press should continue to cover this story 29

Why do you think Juanita Broaddrick has gone public with her allegations against Bill Clinton -- mostly to harm Clinton for political reasons, or mostly to get her story out for personal reasons?
Harm Clinton 31%
Personal reasons 55

Thinking about Bill Clinton as a person, do you have a positive or negative opinion of him?
Now Feb. 12-13
Positive 32% 35%
Negative 60 57

Do you approve or disapprove of the way Bill Clinton is handling his job as president?
Now Feb. 12-13
Approve 66% 68%
Disapprove 31 30
http://edition.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/03/01/poll/

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@Lash,

At least the email stuff is a half way legitimate issue to discuss when talking about qualifications for a President. In my view, she should not have deleted her emails but since she was allowed to have a private account, not sure what the fuss about. Not really surprising a republican senator calls the released emails disturbing. Personally, I will wait to see what the non criminal investigation from FBI says about it. These congressional hearings have become too partisan to have any credence. Right now we do not know what the message contains or if it was classified or not.

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I'm not going to speculate about whether the document being discussed was classified," this official added. "Generally speaking, I can say that just because a document is sent via a secure method doesn't mean that it's classified. Many documents that are created or stored on a secure system are not classified."

From your source

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@revelette2,

"Too partisan" is an under statement in todays politics. The GOP has tried 62 times to repeal Obamacare. That's a message nobody should miss. They know how to waste time and money.

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

A particular and common species of troll is usually immediately identifiable. Two or three posts and you can tell what they're up to. Short sentences, no reasoned rationale, and insults.

Don't feed them. Their game is to evoke emotional responses. You respond and then the board has two (or more) worthless posts messing up the board. Four or five people responding and the thread turns to crap.

Use ignore.

terrific advice

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Regarding this latest Trump-inspired flare-up of insinuations about Hillary as anti-woman, and attempting to smear her with Bill Clinton's mess-ups:

I hope everyone realizes that there is a whole crop of millennials that were born during Bill Clinton's time in the white house. While all the white hot Clinton hate was fresh in the Faux echo chamber, they were more concerned with Pokémon and Legos. Some are voting aged now, and I think there's a good chance that they will see this attempt to resurrect and replay the Clinton affairs as exactly what it is - a cheap and desperate attempt to take down Hillary by any lowdown means.

I bet if someone could ask Bernie what he honestly thinks of this 'new' Bill Clinton smear, he would think it's a shameful tactic, not worthy of the campaign he's trying to run.

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@snood,

I don't believe anyone has accused Hillary of being anti woman. Instead they have accused Hillary of cynically and hypocrtitically accusing others of that. They have used Hillary's well documented support of rather shabby treatment of the several women who have assused Bill of rape, sexual assaults and the misuse of his power over female employees to suggest that she is hypocritically accusing others ( in a supposed "war on women") of things she has done or participated in herself, and doing so for her own political benefit.

These are by no means the worst kind of human behavior , and I don't mean to suggest that Hillary is a criminal or anything like that However such cynicism and deception on the part of a poitential public leader is indeed a serious matter that should give pause to serious and thinking people. (Her and Bill's behavior with respect to the Clinton Foundation and the misuse of public office for personal gain is another matter however - it likely is criminal).

I'm no fan of the theatrics that Trump employs to get attention. However I do note that he has to a substantial degree been able to penetrate the sometimes breathtaking credulity and slavish fawning of the liberal media and alert a growing segment of the public to the self-serving lies of their would be saviors.

Apparently many here as well are avid consumers of that bullshit. That doesn't speak well of their critical thinking either.

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@georgeob1,

18 Real Things Donald Trump Has Actually Said About ...
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@georgeob1,

Yes, Hillary is a hypocrite and a traitor to the cause of women's rights if she doesn't invite all her husband's mistresses over for tea and cookies.

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@Blickers,

Now, that one made me laugh!

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

their would be saviors.

you and Finn are just about the two most religious posters here

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@ehBeth,

No, they are just about the most literate religious posters here. Neither you nor I are apt to read the others.

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@Blickers,

Blickers wrote:

Not surprised that you would agree with a new troll. From 1999:
Poll: Most believe media should lay off Broaddrick allegation
By Keating Holland/CNN

March 1, 1999
Web posted at: 5:00 p.m. EST (2200 GMT)

WASHINGTON (March 1) -- About a third of all Americans believe that Juanita Broaddrick's allegation that Bill Clinton raped her in 1978 is definitely true or probably true, and two-thirds of the public thinks that the media should stop pursuing the story, a new CNN/USA Today/ Gallup Poll shows.

I would not consider 'about a third' to be insignificant. On the other hand, what most people think they believe is largely dependent on how well they like or dislike the subject.

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@roger,

Is that it? mebbe
though it doesn't seem that way

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