IS IT GETTING MEAN AROUND HERE??

@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

A big reason political threads have changed in my view is so many are pushing the Teaparty line. I can't speak for anybody else, but I have zero respect for teabaggers and I will not pretend I do. That's the biggest reason I try to respond mostly to people who agree with me.

The improved diversity in the political threads is ....an improvement. If you cant win arguments with your position then your position is wrong.

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@hawkeye10,

Uh, hawkeye, I've been here for years and I don't think I've ever seen anyone come up with an argument that everyone considers a win, least of all you, no matter what point of view they're arguing from.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Uh, hawkeye, I've been here for years and I don't think I've ever seen anyone come up with an argument that everyone considers a win, least of all you, no matter what point of view they're arguing from.

Our military response to 9/11 was a mistake....to name one. Your mistake is expecting a mass "BINGO!" moment like a knockout punch. That is not how debates are won, they are always won on points, and won by the increasing absence of those making substantial counter arguments.

"Washington is very broken" is a debate that my side has won over my time here, when I started saying it I was the only besides a few whack jobs like JTT, and look at the situation now! When I say it these days my assertion has the air of conventional wisdom.

I dont know that everyone has become convinced, but almost no one is going to venture to argue the other side anymore, because they would squander too much credibility.

BTW the "least of all you" was pointless mean spiritedness the like of which is killing A2K. If you care about the place please attempt to conduct yourself better.

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Who broke it? There's NO agreement there. Never has been. Clearly the GOP and the Tea Party and Ted Cruz and Paul Ryan and the GOP leadership and the conservative ignorati broke it, right? Certainly not Obama and the Democrats who have consistently been correct and constructive. Now that's MY viewpoint on who broke it, based on the arguments here. You're seriously trying to tell me that the other side would agree with that? Get real, hawk.

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@MontereyJack,

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Who broke it? There's NO agreement there.

Really? I have not heard in a long while that the problem is anything other than big money interests using their money to drive the government to adopt their views. AKA corruption. We hear tons of arguments within that argument, but I cant remember the last time I heard someone try to dispute it. It was probably some weak argument in support of the Citizens United ruling. Which was 5 years ago.

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If that's all you hear, you haven't been paying attention.

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If Washington is "broken" (I don't necessarily agree that it is)...it probably is not the fault of today's Democrats, Republicans, or Independents.

It almost certainly is the fault of Ronald Reagan, his wife, and the gang of sycophants who basked in his every word.

Reagan's ""Government is not the solution to our problem government IS the problem"...is probably the most destructive bit of crapola ever to infect our nation. It has been downhill from there.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Reagan's ""Government is not the solution to our problem government IS the problem"...is probably the most destructive bit of crapola ever to infect our nation. It has been downhill from there.

You say that but the wisdom of the ages talks constantly about the value of skepticism and about the dangers of concentration of powers. "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help. " taps directly into that.

You Frank are a liberal hack, you are not capable of seeing anything of value in the Rights worldview. I doubt that you have even tried for decades.

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@hawkeye10,

The "value of the right" disappeared when the right decided that it could govern rather than being the loyal opposition keeping the extreme left in check.

The right has shown no ability to govern...and the extreme right deserves no more respect than a half filled spittoon.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

THe loudest members have been of the opinion that the solution is to cleanse the place of opinions that they dont agree with. And they seem willing to kill the place out of spite if they dont get what they want, which they have mostly not (though that JTT is gone makes me wonder how much too much credit I am giving Robert for maintaining an open marketplace of ideas).

Has JTT been banned? I just assumed that he was taking a break from the site.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

Our military response to 9/11 was a mistake....to name one.

We needed to defend ourselves.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:
Our military response to 9/11 was a mistake....to name one.

We needed to defend ourselves.

But even you know that destabilizing the region and pissing away trillions of dollars makes us weaker not stronger, so you dont go to bat anymore supporting the military adventurism post 9/11.

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@farmerman,

This all started back in the 70's with "Jane you ignorant slut...". The adults knew it was satire but a whole generation of kids took it to heart and brought it to the Internet. Wink

Farmerman you ignorant dick...

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

But even you know that destabilizing the region and pissing away trillions of dollars makes us weaker not stronger, so you dont go to bat anymore supporting the military adventurism post 9/11.

Are we talking Iraq or the war on terror? I don't think the war on terror has destabilized anything.

As for Iraq, if I could do it over again, I would have had Saddam quietly murdered as soon as we captured him (and kept it a secret, so people would still think he was "out there somewhere" like Elvis), then pulled out and left Iraq to themselves.

I've no objection to the conduct of the Iraq war up to the capture of Saddam.

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@oralloy,

"I've no objection to the conduct of the Iraq war up to the capture of Saddam."

Can you give us a valid 9/11 related reason as to why you went and invaded Iraq in the first place?

And don't give this "defend ourselves" bollocks. You retaliated, and for some reason felt the need to include Iraq in that retaliation.

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

A big reason political threads have changed in my view is so many are pushing the Teaparty line. I can't speak for anybody else, but I have zero respect for teabaggers and I will not pretend I do. That's the biggest reason I try to respond mostly to people who agree with me.

This is exactly the problem I see. People are settling on an ideology and then labeling anyone who disagrees with them as "teabaggers" or "socialists" or "misogynists".

Once you label someone. You basically shut them out. There is no possibility for respectful discussion. There is no sharing of ideas. There is no ability to see something from someone else's perspective. There is no ability to work together to solve common problems. There is no room for compromise. There is no room for personal growth.

The phrase "I have zero respect" pretty much describes the state of things on Able2Know... and sadly it also works as a commentary of public discourse America at large.

Of course you can just "respond to people who agree with you", but I was hoping for much more than that. A respectful discussion between people with a diverse set of views and opinions would be such a great thing.

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If it parrots the teabagger line it is a teabagger. End of story.

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

If it parrots the teabagger line it is a teabagger. End of story.

Exactly Edgar. You couldn't have put it any more clearly. There is no reason to listen to teabaggers. Nothing they say has any value. After all, since your views are so obviously superior... what could they possibly say that might change your way of thinking?

Why would anyone who knows they are right ever want to change their way of thinking anyway?

(I am not sure teabaggers are even human)

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

A respectful discussion between people with a diverse set of views and opinions would be such a great thing.

Have you considered that individuals all came to the same conclusion, that you're a snide, passive aggressive, duplicitous arsehole who does not deserve respect? That's what I think. Merry Andrew is proof that it's possible to disagree with someone without resorting to insults.

You never have had a civil conversation with anyone you disagree with, all your comments are laden with passive aggressive innuendo and snide comments that you later claim were all in the other person's imagination. Most people have seen through your bullshit and put you on ignore. I can see why your wife left you, you're bad enough on A2K ,you must be hell in real life and completely impossible to live with.

It's quite possible to have a civil conversation with someone you disagree with but only if you think that person is being honest. It's impossible and pointless having a conversation with a snide arsehole one holds in contempt, and you are the snidest of snide arseholes.

Now you're back on ignore.

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@maxdancona,

So we have divided Able2know into two camps, with narrow views on both sides and no respect between them... how nice.

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