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Second Little Ice Age

 
 
Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2015 12:01 am
Headlines on Drudge tonight ( www.drudgereport.com ):

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4 Cities Set All-Time Record Lows...
DC hasn't seen this since 1885 -- or ever?!
5-story 'ice volcano' forms at NY geyser...
Great Lakes most ice since recorded time...
AND ANOTHER BLAST NEXT WEEK...

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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2015 12:31 am
@gungasnake,
Didn't it say anything about the massive drought and record warm weather on the western side of the country? Doesn't that concern you just as much as the cold temps and snow on the East Coast?

http://media.utsandiego.com/img/photos/2015/01/15/790fc55f6f1357026b0f6a7067003513_r620x349.JPEG?75d51d0aea2efce5189afce216053cbc530c46a8

In this photo taken Thursday, Oct. 30, 2014, houseboats sit in the drought lowered waters of Oroville Lake, near Oroville, Calif. Storms in early December boosted water supplies enough to provide Southern California cities and farms 15 percent of their requested water, announced the Department of Water Resources, Thursday, Jan. 15, 2015. (AP Photo/Rich Pedroncelli) The Associated Press

http://media.utsandiego.com/img/photos/2015/01/15/96c075c66f1657026b0f6a7067006323_t730.JPEG?b0f0cf804b45a2830ba759010b8a41b9b1684c1a

In this photo taken Monday Nov. 17, 2014, boat slips sit on the dry lake bed at Brown's Marina at Folsom Lake, near Folsom Calif.

http://www.kcra.com/image/view/-/28342190/highRes/3/-/mhpxu9/-/new-drought-comparison-9-5-14-oroville-bidwell-bridge1-jpg.jpg


http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03037/drought_3037622b.jpg

Lake Cachuma, the primary source of drinking water in Santa Barbara, Montecito, and other cities along California's Central Coast, has dropped 50 feet and is at 35% capacity
Butrflynet
 
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Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2015 12:41 am
Even Hawaii is experiencing drought conditions.

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/28161635/hilo-and-most-of-the-big-island-in-moderate-drought


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/record-west-coast-drought-shows-no-signs-of-easing/

And, Alaska is having one of its warmest winters on record.

http://www.adn.com/article/20150210/even-lacking-snow-winter-getaway-seward-offers-beauty-without-bustle
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2015 12:48 am
@Butrflynet,
Butrflynet wrote:

Didn't it say anything about the massive drought and record warm weather on the western side of the country?
Besides that: the world is a bit larger than gunga's backyard, the East Coast or the USA: last year was the hottest on earth since record-keeping began in 1880 - 2014 surpassed 2010 as the warmest year. The 10 warmest years have all occurred since 1997.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2015 12:53 am
It is very useful to the anti-science conspiracy theorists to make no distinction between weather and climate--especially local weather. From the Scientific American, an article on the unusual winter weather both east and west. Once again, weather and climate are not to be confused.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2015 01:15 am
@Butrflynet,
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Didn't it say anything about the massive drought....


Drought in America is due to greentards shutting down the NAWAPA project. If that had been built in the early 70s as the Army Corps of Engineers recommended, there would never have been another drought in America.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2015 01:17 am
http://notrickszone.com/2014/05/10/flurry-of-scientists-recent-peer-reviewed-papers-warning-of-approaching-little-ice-age/#sthash.D17SqEKA.dpbs
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2015 02:15 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:
Drought in America is due to greentards shutting down the NAWAPA project. If that had been built in the early 70s as the Army Corps of Engineers recommended, there would never have been another drought in America.


This is pretty witless, even by Gunga Dim's already low, low standards. You can build catchment basins and reservoirs in an attempt to sequester water for use during droughts. Nothing, however, that the Corps of Engineers nor anyone else builds will affect rainfall patterns nor prevent drought.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2015 02:21 am
NAWAPA--the North American Water and Power Alliance--was proposed by the Corps in the 1950s. It intended to bring water from Alaska, across Canada, to Montana for release into existing river systems. It has been killed by the logistics, the environmental impacts and the diplomatic issues. Western historian William deBuys wrote that "NAWAPA died a victim of its own grandiosity." (A Great Aridness: Climate Change and the Future of the American Southwest, Oxford University Press, 2011.)
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2015 11:15 am
@gungasnake,
hee hee, Rarely right but never in doubt.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2015 04:14 pm
@gungasnake,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_aGeg-uY6gI

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giujohn
 
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Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2015 05:01 pm
While I do not deny that climate change occurs, the real question is if man is causing it. Think about that... man is causing the climate to change. REALLY? We are that powerful?

Proven Fact: The record shows that over the last million years there has been a near clock like occurance of a warming/cooling cycle every 100,000 years.

Short of detonating EVERY nuclear device EVER made at the same time AND causing the eruption of all the major volcanos on earth as well, there is NOTHING that we can do to change the weather (and this effect wont last forever) .


ANY predictions are just that...A GUESS, and these are based on computer models that cant tell us what the weather will be like in a month with any definate accuracy, but we get all apoplectic when they tell us the oceans will rise and we will all be under water (oh my!)

Man has been through many climate changes and back then they didnt have technology to help them...I have no worries that we wont get through the next one.

Besides, everyone alive today will be dead for a long time before we see any major changes. And these will happen so gradually that coping will not be a huge problem.

Dont let the enviromental whackos scare ya. The earth is just fine.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2015 05:37 pm
The "warming/cooling" cycles for which we have both archaeological and historical evidence have been on a cycle of around 1700 to 2000 years. We have solid archaeological and historical evidence for the 8.2 kiloyear event, the 5.9 kiloyear event and the 4.2 kiloyear event. You can do web searches for those events if you don't care to take my word for it. However, i don't care to take your word for this 100,000 year cycle. Can yo provide some evidence for that>

Whether or not man's activities cause climate change, it is still a good idea not to pump huge amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere. Only the executives and share holders of the energy industry benefit from that.
giujohn
 
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Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2015 05:50 pm
@Setanta,
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However, i don't care to take your word for this 100,000 year cycle. Can yo provide some evidence for that>


So dont...You have the internet...and if you cant navigate that, read Climatism!. It uses real science to dispell the hysteria.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2015 07:01 pm
@Setanta,
He's probably talking about the ice core data. The cycle isn't exactly 100,000 years, but it's close to that.

Over the last 600,000 years, the earth has shown a very regular warming and cooling cycle. The peaks are quite sharp especially on the warming side and are always followed by a decline back into a cold (glaciation) period. We are currently at the peak of the most recent warming cycle. The colder periods actually make up about 80% of the time frame, so it's probably more accurate to think of them as the "norm" and the most recent peak (in which most of modern human culture has flourished) as the aberration.

In my opinion, the decline back into glaciation is inevitable. There is probably no way to stop it even if we tried.

http://www.seafriends.org.nz/issues/global/temp_co2_ch4.gif

Image Source: http://www.seafriends.org.nz/issues/global/climate2.htm
Butrflynet
 
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Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2015 07:09 pm
Living in the middle of one of the severe drought regions, I don't really care if it is caused by man or a cycle of earth's nature. Either way, we inhabitants of earth have a problem and the people living on this planet must figure out how to adjust and adapt to the changes.

The decades of debate over whether or not it is happening or what is the cause pale in comparison to the need for planning and actual preparation for the changes if we want our offspring to thrive.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2015 08:11 pm
@Butrflynet,
The climate doesn't change very rapidly. Based on historic data it takes centuries for any appreciable environmental change to settle in. It only took about 200 years to build New York City (and virtually everything else we know).

http://s.ngm.com/2009/09/mannahatta/img/mannahatta.jpg

There is nothing we can do to alter the global climate by any appreciable amount, even if we tried. Most scientists agree that human activity is increasing the rate of an already warming planet, but the primary cause came before us, and the planet can only get so warm before sufficient ice (at the caps) is melted to halt the Thermohaline circulation in the oceans. And once that happens it's back to glaciation no matter what.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermohaline_circulation

The bad news for anyone who likes stability is that the earth's climate isn't stable and it never will be. The good news is that we scurry around fast enough to rebuild our civilizations before the ice can get us. We may not survive nuclear war or severe pollution, but hot and cold are never going to get us.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2015 08:59 pm
@gungasnake,
http://linkis.com/www.breitbart.com/bi/t5Uxc
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giujohn
 
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Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2015 09:44 pm
@rosborne979,
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He's probably talking about the ice core data


You are correct, however the table I was referring to goes more than 900,000 years.
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giujohn
 
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Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2015 10:21 pm
@rosborne979,
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Most scientists agree that human activity is increasing the rate of an already warming planet


There is no consensus
The Petition Project features over 31,000 scientists signing the petition stating "There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide will, in the forseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere"
 

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