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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
hightor
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2018 03:11 pm
@Baldimo,
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We had "recovered" but our economic growth wasn't happening. Remember Obama himself told us 3% growth was a thing of the past and we wouldn't see it again. Trump proved him wrong.

Really high rates of growth are not necessary for prosperity. Corporations haven't invested their earnings over the past 10 years; continued high growth will require an adequate labor supply and modernization of aging equipment.
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He made changes that pushed the economy above a growth rate that Obama said we would never see.

Yes, he pushed deregulation and irresponsible tax cuts, the negative results of which will need to be addressed some time in the future. The Trump bubble is basically a campaign promise and if and when it bursts you will see the blame game played out on an Olympian level.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2018 03:20 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
Really high rates of growth are not necessary for prosperity. Corporations haven't invested their earnings over the past 10 years; continued high growth will require an adequate labor supply and modernization of aging equipment.

You do realize modernization of equipment means automating and getting rid of human workers. We actually have an adequate labor supply, how many people can work but don't? Why import more labor when at the same time you want to have a universal basic income.

Quote:
Yes, he pushed deregulation and irresponsible tax cuts, the negative results of which will need to be addressed some time in the future. The Trump bubble is basically a campaign promise and if and when it bursts you will see the blame game played out on an Olympian level.

You mean he got rid of over regulation, which was holding back the economy. Negative results of the tax cut? Which ones are those?
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2018 03:38 pm
When will the average republican realize that the GOP oligarchy privatized the office of the President and outsourced him to Russia?

This is the very definition of betrayal...

Trump does not work for the better interest of the average republican, neither their stock market nor their labor jobs...
coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2018 04:10 pm
@TheCobbler,
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This is the very definition of betrayal...

More expert advice? Laughing Laughing Laughing
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2018 06:07 pm
@coldjoint,
More in the nature of fact
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2018 09:34 pm

https://i.imgur.com/CFsVue0.jpg
coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2018 09:54 pm
@Region Philbis,
The MSM is the conveyor of the narrative. What they have convinced people to believe is the problem.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2018 11:00 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:

Such bullshit, CJ. Even McDonald's has a 401 (K) that most young people contribute into.

Get a grip, will ya?


Actually, the last number I heard from a reputable source said that only 50% of Americans own any stock at all.
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hightor
 
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Reply Thu 27 Dec, 2018 03:21 am
@Baldimo,
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You do realize modernization of equipment means automating and getting rid of human workers.

Yeah, replacing people with machines always works out well — for the machines and the corporations that own them.
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You mean he got rid of over regulation, which was holding back the economy

These ones, for starters. The social cost will need to be paid back.
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Negative results of the tax cut? Which ones are those?

Deficits, as far as the eye can see, and the inability to address social costs such as the one I mentioned above.
maporsche
 
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Reply Thu 27 Dec, 2018 07:27 am
@hightor,
I love the idea of replacing human workers with machine ones, long term.

Think if we could get 100x the production with 10% as many workers. We’d end hunger and basic needs would be met for almost nothing.
snood
 
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Reply Thu 27 Dec, 2018 09:06 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

I love the idea of replacing human workers with machine ones, long term.

Think if we could get 100x the production with 10% as many workers. We’d end hunger and basic needs would be met for almost nothing.


Wouldn't someone find a way to make sure that the benefit of such an increase in productivity only accrued to the rich? We'd still be in the same capitalistic, dog eat dog country where companies who could easily afford to pay a living wage refuse to do so, in order to insure the continued exponential growth of the income of the 1%.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 27 Dec, 2018 09:15 am
NEW DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS PLANS TO INVESTIGATE BETSY DEVOS ON FIVE FRONTS
https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-prepare-challenge-department-education-secretary-besty-devos-1229816
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 27 Dec, 2018 09:23 am
Food stamp cut will hit Trump's single white male base hardest
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/food-stamp-cut-will-hit-trumps-single-white-male-base-hardest/ar-BBRgD8Q

Trump does not work for the average republican.
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 27 Dec, 2018 09:27 am
2 Michigan regulators take plea deals in Flint water case
https://news.yahoo.com/2-michigan-regulators-plea-deals-flint-water-case-194402870.html

More crooked republican's sentences to be announced soon regarding Flint...
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 27 Dec, 2018 09:30 am
DONALD TRUMP TWITTER ACCOUNT VIDEO REVEALS COVERT U.S. NAVY SEAL DEPLOYMENT DURING IRAQ VISIT
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-navy-seal-iraq-video-1272102

The bumbling twit strikes again...
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 27 Dec, 2018 09:33 am
@snood,
Snood is right, when machines replace people then even MORE regulation is required to safeguard and support the poorest and most vulnerable people in society.
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hightor
 
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Reply Thu 27 Dec, 2018 10:28 am
@maporsche,
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I love the idea of replacing human workers with machine ones, long term.


How does that work though? What do the replaced workers do? ****, when I look back over my life, many of the accomplishments which I feel the greatest satisfaction in achieving have been in the workplace — the things I built, the things I fixed, the friends I made, the customers I satisfied, the new workers I helped, and yeah, the wages I earned. I think I'd be missing a lot had machines to replace me been around forty or fifty years ago. I'm not opposed to greater efficiency in production but capitalism has a way of just looking at the bottom line and just writing off any human cost for the sake of higher profits.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 27 Dec, 2018 10:36 am
@hightor,
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Yeah, replacing people with machines always works out well — for the machines and the corporations that own them.

Fear of the future? You sound like one of those people who were upset the car was going to replace the horse and all the jobs that came from horses being the primary source of travel.

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These ones, for starters. The social cost will need to be paid back.

The social costs... Excuse me while I laugh about Obama's regulatory actions, of which some were struck down by a Federal court. Where Obama couldn't rule by legislation, he ruled by regulation, and in many cases, he only did what he did for his voting base and nothing more.

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Deficits, as far as the eye can see, and the inability to address social costs such as the one I mentioned above.

It looks like the tax revenue is actually up from past years, despite the tax cuts:
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/trump-tax-cuts-federal-revenues-deficits/

What is the worry about the "social costs" of things? Socialize all the stuffs for justice...
maporsche
 
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Reply Thu 27 Dec, 2018 11:17 am
@hightor,
Well, if my basic needs were able to be met with little cost, I’d likely spend a majority of my time volunteering for causes I support. Maybe reading a lot more books for leisure. Spending more time with family and friends. Probably spend more time hiking and enjoying nature.

I’d be MORE THAN willing to reduce my income producing hours to something like 1 or 2 days per week.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Thu 27 Dec, 2018 11:22 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

maporsche wrote:

I love the idea of replacing human workers with machine ones, long term.

Think if we could get 100x the production with 10% as many workers. We’d end hunger and basic needs would be met for almost nothing.


Wouldn't someone find a way to make sure that the benefit of such an increase in productivity only accrued to the rich? We'd still be in the same capitalistic, dog eat dog country where companies who could easily afford to pay a living wage refuse to do so, in order to insure the continued exponential growth of the income of the 1%.


I don’t know snood. The cost of just about every consumer good has reduced over time with improvements. The great benefit of the capitalistic society is that if something can be made Cheaper by another company then business will go to that company. That’s assuming that we keep laws against price fixing in place (and actually elect a government that will enforce those laws).

Honestly though, if I could live like I do now, at 10% the cost, I wouldn’t much care how rich the 1% got. I’d take my 36 extra hours every week and do something I enjoy doing. I’d be a much better human being and not a better employee. That’s more important to me.

Think of what it would be like if the $10 minimum wage had the buying power of $100. You could have one-income households again. You could work half the year and not the other half. Couple this with some sort of universal healthcare sky is pretty blue.


I live for the day where work isn’t the most important thing in people’s lives. Where leisure is valued and encouraged. Where the success of a man or woman isn’t based off of their possessions but on their contribution to society and their compassion to others.
 

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