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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2018 06:58 pm
Trade War, Markets crashing, government shutdowns, Sec Def fired, subpoenas, Grand Jury...Yahtzee!
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2018 09:57 am
Wealthy Republicans lose faith in Trump, as nearly 40% say they wouldn’t vote to re-elect him: CNBC survey
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/20/only-62percent-of-rich-republicans-would-re-elect-trump-cnbc-survey.html
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2018 10:14 am
@TheCobbler,
Just a few months ago, Obama was trying to take credit for the Stock Market and the good economy... what changed?
Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2018 10:18 am
@TheCobbler,
So you woulnd't give him credit when it was going well, but now that it is taking, it's all his... you guys are so full of ****.
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hightor
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2018 10:22 am
@Baldimo,
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... what changed?

I knew one of you would come up with that brilliant observation. What's changed is that Trump's administration is thinly-staffed, he's embarked on some trade policies which spooked investors, and he's openly threatening the independence of the Fed. A lot has changed. Try informing yourself.
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So you woulnd't give him credit when it was going well, but now that it is ta(n)king, it's all his... you guys are so full of ****.

Are you really so unobservant that you've missed the missteps he's made as his cabinet collapses on itself?
Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2018 11:33 am
@hightor,
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I knew one of you would come up with that brilliant observation.

The question had to be asked, Obama was running around before and since the 2018 mid-terms bragging about the economy being his and how Trump deserves no credit. The oil boom and other such things... less than 2 weeks later and he's quiet. Now things have gone bad, now it's all Trump... you can see why I asked the question.

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What's changed is that Trump's administration is thinly-staffed,

From what I understand, he's already made either temp appointments or is looking to fill those slots. I also understand that people come and go in an administration. It seems Trump has had a higher turn around rate, but some of that I'm sure comes from his business side where you don't keep people on that aren't effective or part of the team. Politicians have a tendency to keep underperforming people on board.

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he's embarked on some trade policies which spooked investors

Haven't there been several new trade agreements signed with almost no coverage from the media. There was the G20 Mexico/Canada trade agreement signing, the media seemed more concerned with trivial things like hand shaking or the lack there of. The tariffs are still a thing though, lets hope China caves before we do.

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, and he's openly threatening the independence of the Fed. A lot has changed. Try informing yourself.

He should threaten the Fed, they aren't even a part of the Federal govt, despite what their name says, in fact the Fed should see a full audit. You do realize the Federal Reserve isn't a govt agency?
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The Federal Reserve Banks are not a part of the federal government, but they exist because of an act of Congress. ... While the Board of Governors is an independent government agency, the Federal Reserve Banks are set up like private corporations. Member banks hold stock in the Federal Reserve Banks and earn dividends.

hightor
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2018 12:07 pm
@Baldimo,
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... you can see why I asked the question.

No, I can't. I credited you with having more perspective. When Trump took over the country had already been in a slow but steadily growing recovery. The rates of growth didn't suddenly increase; they continued the pattern which was already in place. So it was disingenuous of Trump to start crowing as if he'd performed some feat of economic magic and got us out of a recession or something. He simply stayed the course. But then he started levying tariffs, threatening our trade partners, making stupid threats to pull out of NATO, etc.
None of these market-disrupting actions were linked to Obama.
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Haven't there been several new trade agreements signed with almost no coverage from the media.

Yeah, they've been covered. None of them are particularly significant. The new NAFTA is hardly different from the old one. Others haven't been finalized. He stupidly pulled out of the TPP, letting China extend its influence under the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership. (To be fair, both Clinton and Sanders also opposed the TPP.)
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He should threaten the Fed, they aren't even a part of the Federal govt, despite what their name says, in fact the Fed should see a full audit. You do realize the Federal Reserve isn't a govt agency?

Don't bother peddling this Glen Beck **** around here.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2018 12:19 pm
https://canadafreepress.com/images/uploads/dag122618-2.jpg
https://canadafreepress.com/article/well-let-the-country-go-to-hell-in-a-handbasket-before-trump-gets-his-borde
hightor
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2018 12:46 pm
@coldjoint,
The "will of the people" who voted the Democrats back into control of the House is not to fund a border wall. Plus:
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But not only do most Americans oppose risking a government shutdown over a wall, but more than two-thirds (69 percent) do not believe building a wall should even be an immediate priority for Congress. That includes half who do not believe it should be a priority at all.

npr
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2018 12:51 pm
@hightor,
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When Trump took over the country had already been in a slow but steadily growing recovery.

You mean Obama telling us that 3% growth was a thing of the past?

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When Trump took over the country had already been in a slow but steadily growing recovery.

We had "recovered" but our economic growth wasn't happening. Remember Obama himself told us 3% growth was a thing of the past and we wouldn't see it again. Trump proved him wrong.

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He simply stayed the course.

No he didn't stay the course. He made changes that pushed the economy above a growth rate that Obama said we would never see.

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But then he started levying tariffs, threatening our trade partners, making stupid threats to pull out of NATO, etc.
None of these market-disrupting actions were linked to Obama.

Tariffs have had a good and bad effect on the economy, they brought Canada to the table to change NAFTA. As for NATO, it was time our "partners" in NATO paid up to the promises they made when it was formed.

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Yeah, they've been covered. None of them are particularly significant. The new NAFTA is hardly different from the old one. Others haven't been finalized. He stupidly pulled out of the TPP, letting China extend its influence under the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership. (To be fair, both Clinton and Sanders also opposed the TPP.)

I think the new trade agreement is better than you think. With our current President, it's easier to see what's going on by what the media doesn't say about what is going on. They have an agenda and it's to not report good things about Trump, they had the opposite agenda with Obama, never report anything bad.

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Don't bother peddling this Glen Beck **** around here.

I don't listen to Glen Beck so this dodge is worthless to you. Can you tell me which branch of the govt the Federal Reserve falls under?

coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2018 01:08 pm
http://thepeoplescube.com/images/Hate_Is_all_You_Need.jpg
2020 campaign slogan for the Dems?
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2018 01:09 pm
http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples_resource/image/44736
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neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2018 01:19 pm
@Baldimo,
Volatile markets do nothing to keep a stable and steady growth market. It makes the futures market too unpredictable to show a growth pattern. This isn't a good thing for anybody except people who have money to burn. Unfortunately, that's not the majority of Americans.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2018 01:26 pm
@neptuneblue,
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Unfortunately, that's not the majority of Americans.

Why should it be?
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2018 01:30 pm
@coldjoint,
For starters, 401(K) retirement accounts...
coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2018 01:32 pm
@neptuneblue,
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For starters, 401(K) retirement accounts...

What about them?
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2018 01:36 pm
@coldjoint,
Again, volatile markets do not show steady growth. Severe gains followed by even more severe losses does not help anybody.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2018 01:44 pm
@neptuneblue,
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Again, volatile markets do not show steady growth. Severe gains followed by even more severe losses does not help anybody.

A very large number of people do not buy stocks, do not have 401K"s, and are not directly affected by the market. Of course. the economy as a whole affects everyone.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2018 01:59 pm
@coldjoint,
Such bullshit, CJ. Even McDonald's has a 401 (K) that most young people contribute into.

Get a grip, will ya?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2018 02:56 pm
@neptuneblue,
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Such bullshit,

And the self employed, a rapidly growing number?
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