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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2018 03:35 pm
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:
The evidence for Obstruction Of Justice is right there on TV, Trump talking to Lester Holt about why he fired James Comey.
Trump's admission of Obstruction Of Justice starts at the 53 second mark and ends at the 1 minute 15 second mark.
It's not obstruction for the official in charge of an investigation to decide to stop pursuing the investigation.
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2018 03:36 pm
@Blickers,
https://image.nj.com/home/njo-media/width960/img/new_jersey_opinion/photo/horsey-dt-rus-07jpeg-bcb21f3ce254a76c.jpeg
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2018 03:36 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Evidence of the imaginary crimes that you keep talking about.


Right?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2018 03:38 pm
@oralloy,
Why does Mueller have to follow your time frame? Whether the investigation takes several months or years is strictly up to him. BTW, I also think he's taking too long, but I'm just an impatient observer.
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firefly
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2018 03:38 pm
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJhvjl3XcAIWTuE.jpg
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2018 03:40 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
That's funny. Bill Clinton is a free man.
oralloy, That doesn't change the fact that it is really silly of you to harangue Trump about things that don't rise to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors.


The Mueller investigation is ongoing. He'll decide if there were any crimes committed.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/14/politics/robert-mueller-donald-trump/index.html
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2018 03:44 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Mueller investigating Trump for obstruction of justice, Washington Post reports

By Eli Watkins, CNN

Updated 7:13 AM ET, Thu June 15, 2017
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2018 03:45 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
He'll decide if there were any crimes committed.

No he won't, no one has that power. He has our laws to contend with. He can only twist them for so long.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2018 03:47 pm
@cicerone imposter,

Quote:
Updated 7:13 AM ET, Thu June 15, 2017

Have you seen Dave?
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Blickers
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2018 03:48 pm
@oralloy,
Quote oralloy:
Quote:
It's not obstruction for the official in charge of an investigation to decide to stop pursuing the investigation.
It absolutely, positively, and without doubt constitutes Obstruction Of Justice if the individual in charge orders an end to the investigation because he wants to protect him/her self or somebody they like from prosecution. Yes, it is, really.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2018 03:48 pm
@coldjoint,
Twist laws? How does anyone do that? Have you studied law? There's a thing called "stare decisis." Yes, I studied law in college.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2018 03:51 pm
@firefly,
So much for unity. What do you think that tells Americans about what the Democratic party thinks of them. You are guaranteeing your own loss.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2018 03:53 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Yes, I studied law in college.

Yes, I don't give a ****. And you do not know law if you think it can't be twisted. What do you think lawyers do? How's Dave?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2018 03:55 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
It's not obstruction for the official in charge of an investigation to decide to stop pursuing the investigation.


Yes, it is, when the investigation has a personal interest.
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2018 04:07 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:

The Mueller investigation is ongoing.

It certainly is, and it certainly has been fruitful so far.

Fools who claim it hasn't shown anything to directly implicate Trump are ignoring the fact that this investigation has been developing in a very organized fashion, and they are just frustrated that Mueller has controlled leaking--so they don't know the sum of what he has found.

Anything that nails Trump will logically be the last to be revealed.

The latest indictments of Russians was very significant. The next move by Mueller will likely be against Americans who assisted them.

A summary of the fruit of the Mueller investigation, to date
by Philip Bump--July 13, 2018

With Friday’s announcement of an indictment against 12 Russian nationals accused of hacking the Democratic National Committee and the campaign of Hillary Clinton, here is a summary of what special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation has publicly accomplished to date.

•There are 187 criminal charges in active indictments or to which individuals have pleaded guilty
•Another 23 counts against President Trump’s former deputy campaign manager Rick Gates were vacated when he agreed to cooperate with Mueller
•Thirty-two people and three businesses have been named in plea agreements or indictments

•Six guilty pleas from five defendants, including Gates, former national security adviser Michael Flynn, former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos, businessman Richard Pinedo and lawyer Alex van der Zwaan
•Former campaign chairman Paul Manafort faces 25 criminal counts
•Van der Zwaan served about four weeks in prison and has been deported to the Netherlands, his home country
•The indictments include charges of conspiracy against the United States; conspiracy to defraud the United States; conspiracy to obstruct justice; conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud; bank fraud; obstruction of justice; aggravated identity theft; failureto report foreign bank accounts; and tax fraud
•52 counts of conspiracy of some kind
•113 criminal counts of aggravated identity theft or identity fraud
•Four guilty pleas for making false statements
•25 Russian nationals have been charged with crimes along with three Russian business entities. Those individuals were charged in two indictments, one focused on Russia’s alleged effort to foster divisiveness on social media (indicted in February) and one focused on alleged hacking (indicted Friday)
•13 individuals believed to be linked to Russian intelligence agencies have been charged, including Manafort’s longtime associate Konstantin Kilimnik, a resident of Ukraine
•Four individuals working directly for or acting as advisers to Trump’s 2016 campaign have been indicted; three have pleaded guilty

The probe has been active for 422 days.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2018 04:09 pm
@firefly,
old news. Time for another meme.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2018 04:36 pm
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:
It absolutely, positively, and without doubt constitutes Obstruction Of Justice if the individual in charge orders an end to the investigation because he wants to protect him/her self or somebody they like from prosecution. Yes, it is, really.
That is incorrect. Obstruction refers to interfering with an investigation that the government is pursuing. It does not apply to the government deciding to close down an investigation.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2018 04:37 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
The Mueller investigation is ongoing. He'll decide if there were any crimes committed.
That does not change the reality that it is really silly of you to harangue Trump about things that don't rise to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2018 04:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
oralloy wrote:
It's not obstruction for the official in charge of an investigation to decide to stop pursuing the investigation.
Yes, it is, when the investigation has a personal interest.
No. Obstruction is when someone interferes with an investigation that the government is pursuing. It does not apply to government decisions to close down an investigation.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2018 04:46 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
Law Dictionary

ob·struc·tion of justice \ əb-ˈstrək-shən- \


Legal Definition of obstruction of justice
: the crime or act of willfully interfering with the process of justice and law especially by influencing, threatening, harming, or impeding a witness, potential witness, juror, or judicial or legal officer or by furnishing false information in or otherwise impeding an investigation or legal process the defendant's obstruction of justice led to a more severe sentence
 

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