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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2018 03:56 am
This is a somewhat lengthy, but fascinating and unsettling article. well worth the time to consider it. You can start reading here and find the rest at the link... http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/trump-putin-russia-collusion.html

Will Trump Be Meeting With His Counterpart — Or His Handler?
A plausible theory of mind-boggling collusion

By Jonathan Chait
July 8, 2018

On June 14, 2016, the Washington Post reported that Russian hackers had broken into the Democratic National Committee’s files and gained access to its research on Donald Trump. A political world already numbed by Trump’s astonishing rise barely took notice. News reports quoted experts who suggested the Russians merely wanted more information about Trump to inform their foreign-policy dealings. By that point, Russia was already broadcasting its strong preference for Trump through the media. Yet when news of the hacking broke, nobody raised the faintest suspicions that Russia wished to alter the outcome of the election, let alone that Trump or anybody connected with him might have been in cahoots with a foreign power. It was a third-rate cyberburglary. Nothing to see here.

The unfolding of the Russia scandal has been like walking into a dark cavern. Every step reveals that the cave runs deeper than we thought, and after each one, as we wonder how far it goes, our imaginations are circumscribed by the steps we have already taken. The cavern might go just a little farther, we presume, but probably not much farther. And since trying to discern the size and shape of the scandal is an exercise in uncertainty, we focus our attention on the most likely outcome, which is that the story goes a little deeper than what we have already discovered. Say, that Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort told their candidate about the meeting they held at Trump Tower with a Russian lawyer after they were promised dirt on Hillary Clinton; and that Trump and Kushner have some shady Russian investments; and that some of Trump’s advisers made some promises about lifting sanctions.

But what if that’s wrong? What if we’re still standing closer to the mouth of the cave than the end?

The media has treated the notion that Russia has personally compromised the president of the United States as something close to a kook theory. A minority of analysts, mostly but not exclusively on the right, have promoted aggressively exculpatory interpretations of the known facts, in which every suspicious piece of evidence turns out to have a surprisingly innocent explanation. And it is possible, though unlikely, that every trail between Trump Tower and the Kremlin extends no farther than its point of current visibility.

What is missing from our imagination is the unlikely but possible outcome on the other end: that this is all much worse than we suspect. After all, treating a small probability as if it were nonexistent is the very error much of the news media made in covering the presidential horse race. And while the body of publicly available information about the Russia scandal is already extensive, the way it has been delivered — scoop after scoop of discrete nuggets of information — has been disorienting and difficult to follow. What would it look like if it were reassembled into a single narrative, one that distinguished between fact and speculation but didn’t myopically focus on the most certain conclusions?

A case like this presents an easy temptation for conspiracy theorists, but we can responsibly speculate as to what lies at the end of this scandal without falling prey to their fallacies. Conspiracy theories tend to attract people far from the corridors of power, and they often hypothesize vast connections within or between governments and especially intelligence agencies. One of the oddities of the Russia scandal is that many of the most exotic and sinister theories have come from people within government and especially within the intelligence field.

The first intimations that Trump might harbor a dark secret originated among America’s European allies, which, being situated closer to Russia, have had more experience fending off its nefarious encroachments. In 2015, Western European intelligence agencies began picking up evidence of communications between the Russian government and people in Donald Trump’s orbit. In April 2016, one of the Baltic states shared with then–CIA director John Brennan an audio recording of Russians discussing funneling money to the Trump campaign. In the summer of 2016, Robert Hannigan, head of the U.K. intelligence agency GCHQ, flew to Washington to brief Brennan on intercepted communications between the Trump campaign and Russia.

The contents of these communications have not been disclosed, but what Brennan learned obviously unsettled him profoundly. In congressional testimony on Russian election interference last year, Brennan hinted that some Americans might have betrayed their country. “Individuals who go along a treasonous path,” he warned, “do not even realize they’re along that path until it gets to be a bit too late.” In an interview this year, he put it more bluntly: “I think [Trump] is afraid of the president of Russia. The Russians may have something on him personally that they could always roll out and make his life more difficult.”

While the fact that the former CIA director has espoused this theory hardly proves it, perhaps we should give more credence to the possibility that Brennan is making these extraordinary charges of treason and blackmail at the highest levels of government because he knows something we don’t.

Suppose we are currently making the same mistake we made at the outset of this drama — suppose the dark crevices of the Russia scandal run not just a little deeper but a lot deeper. If that’s true, we are in the midst of a scandal unprecedented in American history, a subversion of the integrity of the presidency. It would mean the Cold War that Americans had long considered won has dissolved into the bizarre spectacle of Reagan’s party’s abetting the hijacking of American government by a former KGB agent. It would mean that when Special Counsel Robert Mueller closes in on the president and his inner circle, possibly beginning this summer, Trump may not merely rail on Twitter but provoke a constitutional crisis.

And it would mean the Russia scandal began far earlier than conventionally understood and ended later — indeed, is still happening. As Trump arranges to meet face-to-face and privately with Vladimir Putin later this month, the collusion between the two men metastasizing from a dark accusation into an open alliance, it would be dangerous not to consider the possibility that the summit is less a negotiation between two heads of state than a meeting between a Russian-intelligence asset and his handler.

Continue reading here...
. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/trump-putin-russia-collusion.html
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2018 09:08 am
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https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/07/branco-cartoon-still-waters-run-deep/
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2018 09:12 am
@firefly,
Quote:
A plausible theory of mind-boggling collusion

Is that a way of saying how does this sound? We can't prove and will never be able to but is the lie satisfactory to the useful idiots out there?

It looks like they have hooked some more bottom feeders. Other than that, it is just more lies and wild suppositions. A big fat 0.
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2018 09:24 am
@coldjoint,
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJAoqMF46J3l1pYPkh-qFTUBHn7SwznL_I__YcXd0Op5aEWTm-DA
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2018 09:25 am
@firefly,
So you have a new boyfriend? Not a bad looking guy.
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2018 09:42 am
Trump’s Retreat From the West

By Maxim Trudolyubov
July 9, 2018

When future generations look back to the first weeks in June 2018, the summit meeting in Singapore between President Trump and North Korea’s president, Kim Jong-un, may well be remembered not so much for its impact on the threat of nuclear war in Korea, but for the dissolution of the West as a unified negotiating team driven by Western values. Along with that came America’s emergence as a go-it-alone superpower, with those values set aside in deference to Russia and China.

Mr. Trump has now secured a second summit meeting, this time with Russia’s president, Vladimir Putin. Scheduled for July 16, after a NATO conference, it is bound to irritate Mr. Trump’s Western allies and even some of his own advisers. Its site, Helsinki, Finland, is about 240 miles from Mr. Putin’s native St. Petersburg. The agenda is unclear, but the course of the Singapore meeting may offer some idea of its path.

Neither China nor Russia was party to the Singapore talks, but both were there in spirit. Mr. Trump seems to have followed a blueprint for a resolution to the Korean conflict that China and Russia proposed a year before.

“The idea is to ensure a double freeze,” Russia’s foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov, said in an interview with NBC in Moscow on July 21, 2017. “North Korea suspends all their launches and tests, and in response, the U.S. and South Korea reduce the scale of their war maneuvers in the region.”

Indeed, the broad design of his agreement with Mr. Kim does match China’s and Russia’s double freeze. Mr. Kim had been preparing to accept it as early as April, when he suspended nuclear and long-range missile tests. In Singapore, Mr. Trump completed the bargain by offering — apparently to South Korea’s surprise — to suspend the annual American-South Korean war games, calling them “expensive” and “provocative.”

But all the meeting really accomplished was to open the prospect of new and probably lengthy negotiations for a final peace on the peninsula. Achieving that will depend on how the interests of five countries — North Korea, South Korea, China, Russia and the United States — can all be served.

The history underlying this quest is worth pondering.

North Korea and South Korea were created when World War II ended with Soviet troops occupying the northern part of the Korean Peninsula and American troops the south. After North Korea invaded the South in 1950, only to be driven back to China’s border by American-led forces, the fighting didn’t stop until after Chinese troops poured in and restored Communist control in the North.

A person of Mr. Putin’s age and experience cannot help seeing in Korea a likeness to a divided Germany. Having served in East Germany as a K.G.B. officer, Mr. Putin was deeply dismayed at the Soviet Union’s decision nearly three decades ago to give up control of what had been the Communists’ East Bloc. Today, his most powerful narrative of grievance is of the West expanding its institutions — especially NATO — to Russia’s western border. He would surely be loath to see the West achieve a matching situation at its eastern door.

In opening the prospects, however distant, for a reunification of the Korean Peninsula, the Singapore meeting did — at least in appearance — sideline Russia and even China. But was the United States still acting as “the West” in doing so? Or had it also sidelined its own allies, which include South Korea and Japan?

Keep in mind yet another summit meeting — in Canada with the Group of 7 powers, all Western-allied — that immediately preceded the Singapore meeting. Mr. Trump essentially dismantled the collective “West” by throwing that gathering into disarray over tariffs and the Iran nuclear deal. He then flew to Singapore and elevated Mr. Kim to a respectable world statesman.

For decades, the united West saw the Kim dynasty’s totalitarian principality as a murderous anti-Western dictatorship. But if you take away the unity, the values of the West disappear with it. So does any “anti-West.” And persecution on political and religious grounds, abductions of other countries’ citizens, extreme brutality by the North Korean regime and similar issues were conspicuously absent from Mr. Trump’s remarks at a news conference after the talks in Singapore. He said he had raised those subjects with Mr. Kim, but then made it clear that denuclearization had taken precedence over human rights.

For his part, Mr. Putin, speaking to Chinese reporters in Qingdao, called Mr. Trump’s decision to meet Mr. Kim “very brave and mature.” Mr. Putin’s detractors in Russia reacted differently. “The meeting was depressing to watch,” Leonid Volkov, who is active in opposition politics, wrote on Telegram, Russia’s social networking app. “It’s hard to forget that this amenable fatty is the commandant of the world’s largest prison camp,” he said, referring to Mr. Kim.

China was not entirely absent from the lead-up to the Singapore talks. To be sure, Mr. Kim was the first to signal, in March, a willingness to discuss with America the fate of Pyongyang’s nuclear program — an invitation Mr. Trump greeted enthusiastically. But later that month, Mr. Kim traveled to consult President Xi Jinping, and they met again before the summit.

It also is significant that the Singapore agreement’s terms were left vague, and that any detailed discussion that may now follow would have to include China, which accounts for 90 percent of North Korea’s trade volume and most of its energy supplies.

In addition, Beijing and Moscow are wary of the possibility of a future American effort to topple the North Korean regime. Pyongyang’s complete denuclearization in exchange for a guarantee of regime security is derided by some in Moscow as a “Libyan model,” the Russian foreign policy commentator Vladimir Frolov wrote recently. Mr. Kim is of course aware of this view, and Mr. Trump assured him of security.

It is likely that without Mr. Xi’s nod, Mr. Kim would not have met with Mr. Trump. And China may have kept its distance and let the American president steal the spotlight, hoping that a peaceful North Korea colonized by Chinese, Russian and American businesses might emerge and make an American military presence on the peninsula irrelevant.

This is not to suggest that Mr. Trump was doing China’s or Russia’s bidding. He had reasons of his own to want a deal — or the appearance of a deal.

But he was not acting as a leader of a collective West. He was acting alone. And that was enough to make an agreement between him and Pyongyang palatable to China and Russia.

Welcome to the post-Cold War, post-values world. Mr. Trump’s foreign policy vision ignores concerns about other countries’ political structures as long as a deal can be reached. He clearly prefers bilateral deals to multilateral accords. He enjoys politics that are personal rather than institutional.

So his political goals thus align better with those of China or Russia than with Europe’s — or with the postwar policies with which America built long-term strategic partnerships.

Maxim Trudolyubov is an editor at large for the newspaper Vedomosti in Moscow, and editor of The Russia File, a blog published by the Kennan Institute in Washington.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/09/opinion/trump-putin-china-north-korea.html
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2018 09:49 am
Quote:
But he was not acting as a leader of a collective West.

Is the UK, France, or Germany doing anything but destroying the West with their appeasement of Islam? Don't be so hard on Trump, apparently cultural suicide is what Europe has chosen.
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2018 10:15 am
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2018 10:19 am
@firefly,
Time for another virtue signaling rant? Of course filthy cartoons do not count.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2018 10:26 am
@firefly,
Trump is a moron who fails to understand most things political or economics. His business background is antithetical to dealing with other nations, friendly or otherwise. He doesn't understand the consequences of his actions. Even his order to separate children from their parents spoke volumes about his ignorance on such a simple matter. His access to the nuclear code has to be controlled by the generals or this world is in a world of trouble.
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@firefly,
Trump is a moron who fails to understand most things political or economics. His business background is antithetical to dealing with other nations, friendly or otherwise. He doesn't understand the consequences of his actions. Even his order to separate children from their parents spoke volumes about his ignorance on such a simple matter. His access to the nuclear code has to be controlled by the generals or this world is in a world of trouble.
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Nonsense.


Your one word response is really informative - like mud. LOL

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2018 11:59 am
@oralloy,
You don't understand the issue at all! Giving Trump the nuclear code gives him the authority to use nuclear weapons. What the generals are saying is that they will not follow any illegal order from Trump to use nuclear weapons. That's a contradiction of Trump's power to use nukes. The code is useless unless the generals give the okay. That control is necessary because Trump is not mature enough to understand the consequences of using nukes.
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2018 12:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
https://images.dailykos.com/images/288321/story_image/Trump-RedButton.jpg?1471403641
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2018 12:19 pm
@firefly,
So you think someone calling Trump names bothers him? He feeds on that. Was that cartoonist drunk or high, or both? And are you?
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2018 12:52 pm
Quote:
Illegal Alien Sex Offender Has Raped Another Child In North Carolina

Vote Democratic, then hide your daughters.
http://www.illegalaliencrimereport.com/crimes-against-children/illegal-alien-sex-offender-has-raped-another-child-in-north-carolina/
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2018 12:56 pm
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https://www.onenewsnow.com/politics-govt/2018/07/09/deep-state-accused-of-targeting-tea-party-favorite#.W0ONBxLDpsk.twitter
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2018 01:13 pm
Fox News Lets President Trump Lie On Television For Hours And Hours]/size]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2018/07/09/fox-news-lets-president-trump-lie-on-live-television-for-hours-and-hours/?utm_term=.7c5445ba743e
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2018 01:15 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
Fox News Lets President Trump Lie On Television For Hours And Hours

Fox news also allows people to change the channel. Next.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2018 01:19 pm
@firefly,
Your link doesn't work for me. I refuse to pay them (WAPO) for access, so they cut me off. Can you cut and paste the article. At least the relevant parts. Thank you.
 

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