Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

@TheCobbler,

What has that got to do with DNC goons not running for office. You are one of those dupes that Jonathan Gruber was talking about. How many of those same people now have "buyers remorse" this many years later. No one's costs have come down and I doubt you will find a majority of Americans who saved $2500 a year on their insurance, in fact many have seen their costs go up this much or even more, I'm included in that majority who saw zero cost saving from the ACA. It was just another wealth redistribution scam that didn't benefit the people.

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@Baldimo,

Guilt by association?

Donald Trump committed adultery with a woman "lying" on a bed in a motel room and then paid her off to silence her.

That doesn't make him a liar too?

Guilt by association.

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@Baldimo,

And the republicans wanted to simply leave Obamacare intact but take away the subsidies and preexisting conditions clause.

How would that have benefited the people? Democrats stopped them.

Your party's credibility is warped like you.

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@TheCobbler,

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Guilt by association?

That was me, not Baldimo, that said that. So all you are doing is admitting Obama was a liar, so thanks.

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@coldjoint,

Where is your proof Obama lied?

You have none because it is you who has misrepresented his character because you are a racist.

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@TheCobbler,

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You have none because it is you who has misrepresented his character because you are a racist.

I see that talking to you is pointless. Calling someone racist because they say Obama lied is stupid and desperate at the same time.

Get your **** together and look at the facts.

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@TheCobbler,

It might help if you actually reply to the correct post. Here is what I said vs what you answered.

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Baldimo:
What has that got to do with DNC goons not running for office. You are one of those dupes that Jonathan Gruber was talking about. How many of those same people now have "buyers remorse" this many years later. No one's costs have come down and I doubt you will find a majority of Americans who saved $2500 a year on their insurance, in fact many have seen their costs go up this much or even more, I'm included in that majority who saw zero cost saving from the ACA. It was just another wealth redistribution scam that didn't benefit the people.

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Cobbler/Red Rex:
Guilt by association?

Donald Trump committed adultery with a woman "lying" on a bed in a motel room and then paid her off to silence her.

That doesn't make him a liar too?

Guilt by association.

Care to try again?

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@Baldimo,

Quote Baldimo (to cicerone imposter):

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Just like the play book you have always used, the only care for old people is the votes they cast for SS and Medicade. When they are asked on their opinions of other subjects, they are told to shut up and let the children run the world.

The exact reverse is true-the seniors don't care enough about Social Security and Medicare. If they did, they would never vote Republican. Republicans have come out with one proposal to do away with or severely curtail those programs after another.

Bush 43 even tried repeatedly to allow young people to divert a significant part of their Social Security payment to a personal account. Since older people paid for the previous generation when they were young, now that they are older Bush 43 wanted to allow the young generation to gradually stop paying for them. It would bankrupt the system. He never got it passed, no Democrats voted for it and a few Republicans joined them. But the very fact that a majority of Republican supported the Republican President's plan to kill Social Security and Medicare ought to be enough to prevent any senior from voting Republican again-unless they are so wealthy that Social Security and Medicare payments are not a significant addition to their income or payment for their medical bills.

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@Blickers,

Blickers, Thank you. Even with social security and Medicare that we paid into, the demographics in our country makes the continued funding for these programs time limited unless they increase the payroll deductions and/or age for benefit. It seems both parties are unable to address this problem.

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The United States Is Getting Bigger. U.S. population growth is due to the trends over time in the interplay of increased births, decreased deaths, and increased net immigration.

I'm not worried for myself because of my age, but for the younger generation now paying into these benefits, they may be short-changed.

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@cicerone imposter,

Exactly, cicerone. The system needs changes but is totally salvageable in more or less its basic form. Unfortunately, the Republicans are trying to scrap the system completely or turn it into something unrecognizable instead of trying to preserve it.

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@cicerone imposter,

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I'm not worried for myself because of my age, but for the younger generation now paying into these benefits, they may be short-changed.

The short change will be in the rights department, the money will be there.

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Walker Won't Ask Wisconsin Supreme Court To Block Special Elections Order
https://www.wpr.org/republicans-fight-special-election-order-two-fronts

I bet the judges' decision in this case really have pissed Putin off who helped get Walker elected...

All the foreign money in the world can't keep a blue state red for long.

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@coldjoint,

Rights department? Like red states feeding off blue states because of bad leadership and crooked republicans giving tax breaks to the rich?

Is that the rights department you refer to? Women's rights? Voting rights? Kids rights to not be shot by deranged gunmen sanctioned by the NRA?

Your idea of rights are, wrongs.

You wouldn't know rights if they bit you on the nose!

Alabama and Pennsylvania have gotten wise to these republican crooks and the rest of the country will surely follow suit.

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@TheCobbler,

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I bet the judges' decision in this case really have pissed Putin off who helped get Walker elected...

I saw no mention of Putin in your source. Why are you lying and implying Republicans are financed by Russians?

Why don't you just say here is something else we can't prove.

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@TheCobbler,

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You wouldn't know rights if they bit you on the nose!

Thank you for the five lines of rhetoric.

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@Blickers,

Blickers wrote:

Bush 43 even tried repeatedly to allow young people to divert a significant part of their Social Security payment to a personal account.

That is incorrect. Bush proposed having both parties come together in a bipartisan effort to fix the system.

Privatization might have been proposed by the Republicans had there been such a bipartisan effort, but if the Democrats had been opposed to it, it would not have been implemented.

Unfortunately the Democrats were not interested in fixing the system and keeping Social Security solvent, so the bipartisan effort to fix it never happened.

Hopefully Social Security will last long enough for me before it gives out. Although I still have a number of decades to go until retirement so who knows.

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@TheCobbler,

TheCobbler wrote:

Where is your proof Obama lied?

Obama lied when he said people could stay on their current insurance plans if they wanted to.

Obama lied again when he tried to justify his first lie by saying that he was only forcing people off from inferior insurance plans.

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@oralloy,

Quote oralloy:

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Obama lied when he said people could stay on their current insurance plans if they wanted to.

Obama lied again when he tried to justify his first lie by saying that he was only forcing people off from inferior insurance plans.

And Obama did not lie, because they could stay on their plans if they wanted to! There is a mighty effort by conservatives to spread false information about people supposedly thrown off their health plans, and these are lies. The plans people had before Obamacare took effect in 2010 were "grandfathered plans" and the right dishonestly but oh so conveniently ignores them.

From healthcare.gov:
Types of grandfathered plans
You may have a grandfathered plan through your job, or you may have bought one directly from an insurance company or agent or broker.

Job-based grandfathered plans: Can enroll people after March 23, 2010, and still maintain their grandfathered status if the plans:

Haven't been changed to substantially cut benefits or increase costs for plan holders
Notify plan holders they have a grandfathered plan
Have continuously covered at least one person since March 23, 2010
Individual grandfathered plans: Can't newly enroll people after March 23, 2010 and have that new enrollment considered a grandfathered policy. But insurance companies can continue to offer the grandfathered plans to people who were enrolled before that date.

If an insurance company decides to stop offering a grandfathered plan, it must provide notice 90 days before the plan ends and offer other coverage options.
Learn more about plan cancellation.
Rights & protections grandfathered plans do and don't cover
Grandfathered plans don't have to offer some rights and protections Marketplace plans do.
https://www.healthcare.gov/health-care-law-protections/grandfathered-plans/

This untruth about not being able to keep one's plan if you like it has been disseminated by conservative media for years. The time to stop the slander and deep-six the deceptive dishonesty is right now. It's gone on long enough.

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@Blickers,

Blickers wrote:

And Obama did not lie, because they could stay on their plans if they wanted to!

That is incorrect. People who wanted to stay on their existing plans were forced off from them when Obamacare came into effect.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/exclusive-obama-personally-apologizes-americans-losing-health-coverage-flna8C11555216

I was one of the people who was forced off from my existing plan. I was forced to switch to a plan from the Obamacare exchanges starting in 2014.

Blickers wrote:

There is a mighty effort by conservatives to spread false information about people supposedly thrown off their health plans, and these are lies. The plans people had before Obamacare took effect in 2010 were "grandfathered plans" and the right dishonestly but oh so conveniently ignores them.

I was on my plan since the 1990s. I was forced off my plan anyway.

Now, I'm not complaining. I'm very happy that Obamacare did away with rescissions. I'd rather have "the current system with no rescissions allowed" than have "my old plan without any protection from rescissions". But I can assure you that people were definitely forced off from their plans.

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@oralloy,

But the plans that were no longer able to be offered were plans where the cost went way way up or were changed to be substantially worse for the consumer AFTER the ACA was passed. In other words, the plans these people were cancelled from were no longer the same plan that they were satisfied with the previous year. Nor where they approximately the same plan with a little bit higher premium. Allowances were made for the insurance company to make some reasonable changes in order to be grandfathered in under the law, and the grandfathered plans did not even have to meet all the minimum requirements that all the new ACA plans had to meet.

That's not being thrown off your plan-that's your plan changing so much for the worse that it's no longer the same plan by any reasonable measure.

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