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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2015 10:31 am
@parados,
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I see. So on one hand you argue we have to look at percentages or it isn't an accurate view and on the other hand you argue we have to ignore percentages and only look at the total numbers.


Can you be any more vague? Examples.

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There may be 365 days in a year but many of the states have also reduced the number of days available to get that ID as well as restricting the times during the day when it can occur. If you can't take time off from your low paying job during a work day, then you won't get an ID. But you will simply claim they have 365 days.


Now you are making things up to create excuses for people. Where have states closed for so many days that people couldn't take a single day to get an ID? Most govt offices are open on business days. Mostly 5 days a week and for business hours, 8-5. Some state govt's have closed for a few days a year to make up for budget short falls during the recession but most of that has stopped. If you look at my state CO, they exempted DMV workers from these furlough days. So at least for the state of CO, your argument is moot.
http://kdvr.com/2012/02/27/in-denver-dmv-workers-wont-take-furlough-days/

I did an google search for the same thing in CA, and I can't find a single story about CA dmv furloughs after 2009. That was 6 years ago.
http://yubanet.com/california/DMV-to-Close-Offices-First-Third-Fridays-of-each-Month.php#.VXhj0flVhBc

I found an article from 2009 for WI, which said they were doing 16 furlough days over 2 years for all state workers. On average there are about 251 working days in a standard year. You remove 8 days from one year per worker, which they were not closing the offices, just rotating the days off for the employees. That leaves 251 business days that the WI dmv is open for business.
parados
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2015 12:30 pm
@Baldimo,
Maybe you should follow the news a little closer.

Wisconsin
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/07/25/277592/walker-closes-dmvs/
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Gov. Scott Walker’s administration is working on finalizing a plan to close as many as 10 offices where people can obtain driver’s licenses in order to expand hours elsewhere and come into compliance with new requirements that voters show photo IDs at the polls.

One Democratic lawmaker said Friday it appeared the decisions were based on politics, with the department targeting offices for closure in Democratic areas and expanding hours for those in Republican districts.




This was later changed so they weren't closing the 10 offices when people complained but the reality was now this:


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The recently enacted state budget requires that DMV driver license and ID card services be offered in all 72 counties at least 20 hours a week. Currently, only 30 counties have offices that meet that 20-hour requirement.



The DMV office finder for Wisconsin is here:
http://www.dmv.org/wi-wisconsin/dmv-office-finder.php#Wisconsin-DMV-Office-Information

A look at several DMV license stations found many were only open 2 days a week.
Baraboo's station is only open 2 days a week.
Sauk City's is only open 1 day.
It appears only the cities of over 30,000 have a license bureau open more than 2 days a week. That means that less than 1/3 of Wisconsin residents live in a town that has a DMV open 5 days a week. It could be that 2/3 of Wisconsin residents live and work 20 miles or more from a DMV that is open 5 days a week. That's 40 minutes IF they have a car.


Wisconsin has 10 holidays for those 30 to 35 DMV sites out of the over 110 sites that are actually open 5 days a week .
Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2015 01:36 pm
@parados,
No comments on the rest of the post?

Since you don't seem to know anything about WI, you should know that a majority of the towns in that state contain less than 10,000 people. I did some research and found the following info.

Total cities in WI: 1260
Of the 85 largest towns with a population over 10,000, only 25 of them have a population of over 30,000. Do you want to know that average distance between towns in WI? 10 miles or more. I've lived there before and my girlfriend currently lives in the city of Waupun which has 11,000 people. The closest large town is Beaver Dam and it is 14 miles away with a population of 16,000.

It goes to show that your info means very little if you understand how the state is setup and structured. A 15 mile drive to the next town isn't that big of a deal and is in fact a regular occurrence for people who work or even leave the towns they live in. The entire state of Wisconsin only has 300,000 more people than the state of CO.
parados
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2015 02:27 pm
@Baldimo,
California has no requirement to show a voter ID so I saw no reason to respond to that. If you want me to, I can. My response would be bringing up California shows you are uninformed about voter ID laws.

I didn't see any reason to research Colorado since I am very familiar with Wisconsin.

I don't know much about WI? Wow.

The average distant between towns is meaningless when we are talking about the distance needed to travel to find a DMV license bureau that is open 5 days a week.

Your girlfriend lives in Waupun.
Waupun does not have a license bureau.
She is 14 miles from Beaver Dam. Beaver Dam is open 5 days a week.
Good for her. Now, how long will it take her to drive there and back? Hmm... I'll bet it takes her 40 minutes. Now how does she do that if she works a low paying job that requires her to be there every day or she can't make ends meet? This is a small town in Wisconsin after all. There will be many low paying jobs such as waitress and cashier at the local food mart.

But then there is this...
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in fact a regular occurrence for people who work or even leave the towns they live in
Ah.. those people that don't leave the towns they live in end up precisely where I said they would. If they don't drive, they can't go get an ID, can they? I wonder how many senior living facilities are in Waupan? I find at least one. I wonder how many of the people living there no longer drive.

Now imagine your girlfriend lives in Black River Falls, Wi., a town of 3,000. Black River Falls has a DMV but it is only open 2 days a week. The nearest 5 day a week DMV location is La Crosse which is 46 miles away.

Now imagine she lives in Cornell, a city of 1500. The closest DMV is 38 miles away in Eau Claire.

Or how about New London, a town of 8,000. The nearest DMV is in Appleton which is 25 miles away.

Or the town of Clintonville, a town of 4000. The nearest DMV is only open 2 days a week and is 15 miles away. The neatest DMV open 5 days a week is 42 miles away in Green Bay. You pass through 4 town that have no DMV. So you see the 10 miles between town is meaningless when we are talking DMV's open 5 days and how far you have to drive to find one.




Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2015 03:37 pm
@parados,
10 years this debate has been going on. At no time in 10 years those people have not had a single day to go get an ID? Your logic is truly failing if that is the case. Low paying jobs have nothing to do with hours worked or the availability of one to take a day to get an ID. If they have to drive to get the ID, they already have one.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2015 07:20 am
@Baldimo,
The debate has nothing to do with whether people get an ID. If the debate is going on then people would have to spend money to get that ID since there is no law giving them a free one. The money they don't have. My logic is just fine. Your logic is what is lacking. Why should they spend money to get an ID if they don't need one but there is only a debate as to whether they may need one in the future? Would you get a heart transplant because there may be a debate that some people might need one in the future?

Obviously you have never worked a low paying job if you think all the employers of low paying jobs are happy to let those employees take time off.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2015 09:27 am
No, Jeb Bush; We DO NOT Want A Renewed Cold War With Russia So Just STFU
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/06/10/no-jeb-bush-we-do-not-want-a-renewed-cold-war-with-russia-so-just-stfu/
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2015 09:37 am
Work Hard? Jeb Bush Has A Plan For You & You're Not Gonna Like It
https://www.facebook.com/TheYoungTurks/videos/10152931606854205/
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2015 09:55 am
http://www.americannewsx.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/gop-scientists-13.jpg
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2015 10:03 am
Scott Walker Intends to Rob Taxpayers to Enrich Billionaires
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/06/11/scott-walker-intends-rob-taxpayers-enrich-billionaires.html


This is completely unthinkable that one would sell their office to the highest bidder after taking an oath to uphold our US constitution....
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2015 10:10 am
These Republicans Are Pushing Their Own Version Of ‘Sharia Law’ For Public Schools
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/06/09/these-republicans-are-pushing-their-own-version-of-sharia-law-for-public-schools/

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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2015 10:20 am
https://scontent-lga1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11392798_782122211904349_5356545157980803368_n.jpg?oh=b44643e2a1c65ef680ab5bdb1eb47586&oe=55EFE0C9
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2015 10:31 am
@parados,
How wrong you are again. Every state has rules guiding free ID for those who can not afford them. Since we were talking about WI, here is the info directly from their site, which I know you visitied since you pulled the info on where the locations of the offices were. Did you gloss over the free ID part of the webpage?

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FREE Wisconsin ID cards for voting
If you are a U.S. citizen, will be at least 18 years of age by the next election, and would like a Wisconsin ID card to vote, please check the ID for FREE box when completing the MV3004 (Wisconsin Identification Card (ID) application) or when applying online.

A Document Verification Petition Process is available if fees arise in order to obtain a free ID card for voting. This petition process is available if any of the following applies:

Applicant is unable to provide documents for proof of name and date of birth as required by Wis. Admin. Code § Trans 102.15(3)(a) but which require a fee to a government agency to obtain. This includes documentation needed for proof of legal name change.
Applicant is unable to provide documents for proof of United States citizenship as required by Wis. Admin. Code § Trans 102.15(3m) but which require a fee to a government agency to obtain.

A free ID card is NOT available under the following circumstances:

If you currently have a valid, unexpired driver license (DL), you are not eligible under Wisconsin law to obtain an ID.
If you will not be at least 18 years of age on the date of the next election.
If you are not eligible to vote in Wisconsin.
DMV does not have information regarding voter eligibility, poll locations, voter registration information or other election information. Please contact your local election officials or county clerk for election information. The Government Accountability Board is another useful source of information.


http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/drivers/drivers/apply/idcard.htm

Really a heart transplant vs an ID card? What's with you and the extremes that prove no point? You can't even use a reasoned point.

I have worked plenty of low paying jobs. Have you not paid attention to my history that everyone claims I lie about? I've worked fast food, which is how I know it isn't worth $15 an hour. I've worked at walmart on the overnight crew unloading trucks and I've worked in construction doing cement work and carpentry and pickup work. I've even done a little HVAC on the side with my ex-brother-in-law. See I've worked more low paying jobs then I have high paying jobs. I have really never had a hard time getting time off to do the urgent things I had to do. Did I have a hard time getting days off to just have a day off? Sure did, but I never ran into an issue getting a day or a few hours off to handle really important matters. That includes getting my license renewed and or my car registered. Most employers want their people to be able to drive so that it doesn't effect their ability to actually show up at work.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2015 10:31 am
The “Obama Economy” Just Set Another Record That Republicans Won’t Like Hearing About
http://www.forwardprogressives.com/obama-economy-just-set-another-record-republicans-wont-like-hearing/
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2015 10:34 am
The more you hear about Scott Walker's NBA arena funding plan, the worse it gets
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/10/1392120/-The-more-you-hear-about-Scott-Walker-s-NBA-arena-funding-plan-the-worse-it-gets
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2015 10:41 am
@TheCobbler,
Sorry Rex, but it doesn't quite work out that way. If you want to average out what each and every person pays into the system then you are not being honest. Not everyone pays into this welfare system and not everyone pays the same amount. The people on welfare don't pay into it, people who don't work or are unemployed do not pay into that system. How much has the welfare state expanded in the last 6 years under Obama? Did you know there are roughly 72 different welfare programs in the federal govt that pay cash to people? You only want to mention food stamps but there are many many more programs that we as tax payers provide.

Check out this excerpt:
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Most reports on welfare focus on only a single program, the cash benefit program: Temporary Assistance for Needy Families. This focus leaves the misimpression that welfare benefits are quite low, providing a bare, subsistence-level income. In reality, the federal government funds 126 separate programs for low-income people, 72 of which provide either cash or in-kind benefits to individuals.


http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/why-get-welfare?gclid=CjwKEAjw4-SrBRDP483GvreDr2ASJAD5sCIuj8k5b3SoWxQaRLh5mu700JDD8BkEClBItgnioZFIQhoC1snw_wcB

If my taxes do not go up, how is it that I'm paying for corporate welfare? Most of the corporate welfare as you guys like to call it is in the form of tax reductions and write offs. Look at the campaign that NY has been running for the last few years.
http://startup-ny.com/
parados
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2015 10:45 am
@Baldimo,
You said the debate has been going on for 10 years. Wisconsin did NOT have a voter ID law 10 years ago. They did not have a voter ID law 5 years ago. A person trying to get an ID in Wisconsin 10 years ago would not have been eligible for any free ID. A person trying to get an ID in Wisconsin 5 years ago would not have been eligible for a free ID. It seems you have decided to completely abandon your argument just as you abandoned your argument about how everyone lives close to a DMV bureau that is open 5 days a week.


Let me remind you specifically what you said....
Quote:
10 years this debate has been going on. At no time in 10 years those people have not had a single day to go get an ID? Your logic is truly failing if that is the case.
Now tell us how a free ID in Wisconsin today affects how that person could have received a free ID 10 years ago, 5 years ago, or 3 years ago.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2015 10:49 am
@Baldimo,
I notice you never were able to get off work to get a voter ID card that would not affect your ability to get to work.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2015 11:09 am
@parados,
The overall debate about Voter ID has been on going for a decade or more, I mentioned 3 different states and you were the one who wanted to zero in on WI. You limited the debate to one state, not me. You've lost this one Parados and you are now grasping at straws.

I haven't abounded the issue of where people go, it just takes more planning, besides bosses don't like sudden days off but if you ask a head of time... "Hey boss, I've got to get my ID renewed, I'll need a half day next week on Wednesday as that is the only day the DMV is open."

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Now tell us how a free ID in Wisconsin today affects how that person could have received a free ID 10 years ago, 5 years ago, or 3 years ago.

You are assuming the only reason people don't have ID is due to cost. You are also assuming that they were only made free after the passing of the voter ID laws. That is a lot of assumptions you have made.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 11 Jun, 2015 11:10 am
@parados,
I have always had a drivers license since I was about 17. How about you parados? Have you always had an ID and or a drivers license? If not, why not?
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