Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

How many times do I have present the FL evidence to you Parados? You can keep saying it doesn't happen, but it has. Investigations have been done, and people have been caught. I'm not talking about the 180,000 registrations that were challenged either. That was a different investigation.

Where is the proof of voting machine tampering? Rex can't provide it and neither can you.

Your evidence is as flimsy as the evidence of screens seen flipping Democratic votes to Republicans is proof that the machines are rigged. That has happened a lot and been reported a lot.

People have been caught? Name one illegal alien that has voted and gotten caught.

Which specific investigation are you referring to, Baldimo?

The one you posted that uses numbers from the CCES ignores the warning that the CCES specifically gives about their data and how it should not be used to show non-citizens vote in any large numbers.
http://projects.iq.harvard.edu/cces/news/perils-cherry-picking-low-frequency-events-large-sample-surveys

Here is the article again Parados. They were caught because they didn't want to serve on a jury. I'm about to bookmark this article as you always seem to conveniently forget about it and claim illegals don't vote in the US. It's really starting to get old.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2014/03/19/fraud-local-nbc-investigation-discovers-dozens-of-illegal-voters-in-florida-n1811547

We just covered this a week or so ago when you wanted proof from someone else that illegals voted in this country. I provided the proof and you tried to deny you said it, until I provided you with your own quote.

Baldi dont lie. Just ask the lying prick.

But the fact that it is possible makes it an imparitive that a way is found to be sure that the vote is fairly counted without the Republican Supreme Court gitting a say.

And how many are illegally in the country in that report? 94? Not even close.

What's your point here? Are you still trying to say illegals do not vote in the US?

My point is there as much evidence of fraud with voting machines as there is of illegals voting.

Now who is making claims with no proof? You made me provide proof, which I did each and everytime, but you have been short on it yourself. What proof do you have that vote changes on machines were purposeful? Seems most of these errors happened due to poorly calibrated machines.

You do realize that this last election cycle, 2012, also had the same issues with votes being changed, but it was GOP votes going to Dems, and it happened in Obama's old state of Il.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/22/calibration-error-changes-gop-votes-to-dem-in-illinois-county/

He'll ignore you're catching him.

No, you have provided a news story where one person may have been an illegal alien and voted but no confirmation from any source other than the reporter.

http://www.popsci.com/gadgets/article/2012-11/how-i-hacked-electronic-voting-machine
http://rt.com/usa/voting-machine-election-hack-088/
http://www.esecurityplanet.com/hackers/virginia-voting-machines-easily-hacked.html
http://www.salon.com/2011/09/27/votinghack/
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2015/04/avs_winvote_virginia_voting_machine_s_password_was_admin.2.html
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/04/16/399986331/hacked-touchscreen-voting-machine-raises-questions-about-election-security

So, you have a news story and I have several news stories. The evidence is pretty similar.

Now you are ignoring facts. It wasn't just one person. It was one person who brought this to the reporters attention. He said he found dozens, and even spoke to them.

So your articles say that it is possible but has it been done during elections? Like illegals voting?

No, he didn't say he found dozens of illegal aliens voting. He said he found dozens of non citizens voting. There are millions of non citizens in the US legally. Many of them working on becoming US citizens.

There is only one person in the news story that claims to be in the country illegally. Questionable since there is no outside verification. People can lie to reporters for any number of reasons. The reporter may not have been interviewing the correct person. But given all the questions that could be raised it is still only evidence of one person.


I repeat, there is as much evidence of widespread voting by illegals as there is evidence of tampering with voting machines. Lot's of speculation but no proof of anything that is large enough to change elections.

The following references a GAO report and voting irregularities.
http://freepress.org/departments/display/19/2005/1529

The following is a single person saying he was asked to insert code to change votes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clint_Curtis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealing_America:_Vote_by_Vote

All of the above carry about as much weight as a local reporter's story. There is a lot of speculation but not much actual verified fact.

Keep telling yourself that Parados. I understand why you support voter fraud by non-citizens/illegal immigrants? What I don't understand is why you just don't admit that you don't mind them voting. You are way to supportive of non-citizens voting in the country and bend over backwards to make it look like it isn't happening.

One of the biggest reasons we don't know for sure how many are voting is the lack of checking citizenship when registering to vote. This is a process that has to be changed.

Give these a read and get back to me:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/11/02/do-non-citizens-vote-in-u-s-elections-a-reply-to-our-critics/

http://ww2.odu.edu/~jrichman/NonCitizenVote.pdf

Why should I keep telling myself that? Facts are facts. Do you feel you have to keep telling me something in the hopes that I will finally believe it in spite of facts?

I never said I supported voter fraud. I only pointed out that the claims of illegals voting are not as rampant as you seem to think. If you feel you have to misrepresent my position to make your argument stronger then I guess we all know what that says about your argument.

Gosh, a blog whining about how they have misused statistics and why they should be allowed to do that. This is simple stuff Baldimo. If a polling sample has a margin of error any data point that is smaller than that margin of error shouldn't be used to make any meaningful arguments. The CCES survey was of over 114,000 people. Of those 692 claimed to be non-citizens and of those 85 said they voted. A 1% margin of error would be 1000 people. To claim those 85 are indicative of anything is nonsense. They could be indicative of errors that occur when entering data or misunderstandings by those answering the over 24 questions in the survey. Those 85 supposed non citizens that voted are a rounding error. Even if a true representation of non citizens voting they would equate to about 14,000 non citizens voting nationwide in an election. That is equivalent to 3 persons per county in the US.

By the way, again you haven't presented any evidence of illegal immigrants voting. In fact your source specifically says they have no evidence of any illegals voting.

I think you mean what ever evidence there is has been suppressed. Or shouted down by the media. The evidence is individual illegals saying they have. Funny you don't believe the people you use and manipulate.