Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

Quote Baldimo:
Underemployment is not a problem, many conservative/libertarians are taking statistics from six years ago, in the early days of the recovery from the biggest economic setback since 1929, and trying to say they still apply. They don't. Underemployment-meaning working Part Time instead of Full Time- is not a problem.

Part Time Jobs
Oct 2011.....27.474 Million Part Time Jobs
Oct 2016....27.727 Million Part Time Jobs
Total: Increase of 0.253 Million, (or 253,000) increase in Part Time Jobs

Full time Jobs
Oct 2011.....112.923 Million Full Time Jobs
Oct 2016.....124.193 Million Full Time Jobs
Total: Increase of 11.27 Million Full Time Jobs

There has been almost no increase in Part Time jobs in five years, but there's been an increase in over 11 Million Full Time jobs in that five years. That underemployment statistic is a bogus talking point to try to run down the economy, put forth on Talk Radio and other right wing media.

The govt changed the meaning of full time though when they enacted the ACA. Fulltime is no longer 40hrs per week, it can be as low as 30 hrs per week. My how you guys forget even the smallest things you agreed to pass.

If things were so great, how come Hillary didn't win? She would have been another 4-8 years of Obama's successful plans for the US. Instead she lost and she lost many states that Obama had won. Talk to the people who used to mine coal and tell me how they are doing...

Why don't you explain to the miners how Trumps going to get coal mining up and running again. I'd like to hear that myself. Maybe the miners will start manufacturing the Trump family's ties and shirts at the mines.

Total U.S. coal consumption per year, which peaked in 2007, remains largely unchanged from 2012 to 2040 without the CPP but declines significantly with the CPP. Although coal consumption in China does not change much from 2012 to 2040, coal use in India and the other countries of non-OECD Asia continues to rise. India’s coal use surpasses the United States total around 2030, and its share of world coal consumption grows from 8% in 2012 to 14% in 2040

The Clean Power Plan (CPP) [1] rule, issued under Section 111(d) of the Clean Air Act, is the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) program to regulate carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions at existing fossil-fired electric power plants. Sep 15, 2016
Effects of the Clean Power Plan - US Energy Information Administration
https://www.eia.gov/forecasts/aeo/cpp.cfm

How about killing the regulations that Obama put in place that killed those jobs in the first place. That would be a good start. Once again why do you think these people voted for Trump? Hillary was going to be 4 or 8 more years of Obama policies against coal miners. Would you vote for someone who actively worked towards and advocated for the end of your career and livelihood?


You weren't concerned for their will being when Obama was ending their careers, why are you worried about them now? Hillary reaped what Obama sowed. There was no reason for coal jobs to go away the way they did except for Obama and the EPA not liking what they did and who they did it for. It was petty global warming BS that ended their jobs and effected their lives. What did Obama put in place to help these people? More govt programs with no promise of work? I'm sure a few of them ended up working fast food jobs and Obama was ok with that. From a decent paying job with a good skill set to a min wage job slinging burgers. You wonder why they voted for Trump?

Obama is not killing the coal industry. It's solar and wind power.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/peabody-coal-bankruptcy_us_570eacb6e4b0ffa5937e0e7a

We had solar installed on our home several years ago, and our electric bill is lower, but more importantly, we're not producing more carbon emissions.

Yes, more regulations and GOVT investment in wind and solar have had an effect. It wasn't the natural market at all, but govt intervention since Obama came into office 8 years ago. To say the last 5 years were only bad without seeing the first 3 years of Obama's EPA and the changes they made is silly. He promised when he ran in 2008 that he would make them suffer.

How much of a govt check did you get for those solar panels? Sure you saved money but only because the govt ie: taxpayers footed a large portion of the cost to make the panels, sell the panels, install the panels and of course to maintain the panels. You didn't pay for the full thing yourself and neither did the company that made them or the company that sold them or the company that installed them. Every single bit of the solar panel and wind industry is propped up by the taxpayer.

So none of the "success" of the renewable energy industry can be given to them or their product or their business model. Without taxpayer money, those industries would be minor as is their contribution to overall power production.

If you would look at the history of fossile energy sources ... the aid ("taxpayer's money") runs deep and comes in many form: state and federal tax breaks for mining and use; technological support for mining and exploration; national resource maps to encourage exploration and development; tariffs on foreign coal; and aid to steel smelters, railroads, and other industries that burn coal to encourage greater use and develop a steady market for coal ... ... ...

Did they do all of those things at the expense of other industries? Did they screw over the coal industry to promote the oil companies and put them out of business?

That is what is taking place with fossil fuels. They are not just promoting alternative energy, they are trying to destroy the competitor and that is what a majority of people have a problem with.

Quote Baldimo:

Oh fer Chrissake, that 30 hours a week applied ONLY to the ACA, it had no relevance to the official employment statistics traditionally released by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Full Time = 35 hrs weekly, in the past and now.

Your answer seems almost childish, thinking "the government" did this or that. The fact that the ACA uses 30 hours for Full Time has nothing to do with the official employment figures. However, this error is repeated over and over in right wing media, whose listeners and readers then continue to spread it.

Quote Baldimo:
Facts are facts. Winning an election does not always depend on facts. In fact, four years ago Romney was saying that elections are decided by people who don't want to work anyway so they don't pay attention to the economy.

Mike Pence gets booed on fetish night at local gay club... (cynical)

Tell that to the people who are hired for under 30hrs a week so the company can save money on their ACA requirements. With that above comment you have demonstrated that you don't understand how businesses work or how they have to work around well intentioned govt regulations.



Facts are that Russia was a threat during the 2012 election and Obama laughed at Romney, even though Romney was correct to say they were a major threat. Now how many times did you bring up the "Russian threat" during this election cycle.

The media and Obama were successful in manipulating at the average voter who doesn't understand the economy.

Gee, that's funny! The last I learned, the US economy is just fine. Our GDP is still number 1 in this world where we represent only 5% of the world's population.

I've been retired since 1998, and our household income is over $100k/year. It's called savings and responsible financial management.

And these jobs were created during the most hateful case of racially motivated, political obstruction by a major party since the civil war. Imagine what our economy would look like if we had all worked together for the betterment of our country?

We would look like Venezuela.

Quote Baldimo:

Your answers get less and less intelligent. There aren't that many people hired for under 30 hours a week to avoid ACA requirements-because hardly ANYBODY has been hired for under 30 hours a week in the last five years. To be considered Full Time, you must average 35 hours a week. Now to repeat the statistics:

Part Time Jobs
Oct 2011.....27.474 Million Part Time Jobs
Oct 2016....27.727 Million Part Time Jobs
Total: Increase of 0.253 Million, (or 253,000) increase in Part Time Jobs

Full time Jobs
Oct 2011.....112.923 Million Full Time Jobs
Oct 2016.....124.193 Million Full Time Jobs
Total: Increase of 11.27 Million Full Time Jobs

There has been almost no increase in Part Time jobs in five years, but there's been an increase in over 11 Million Full Time jobs in that five years. Therefore, there really aren't many people hired under 30 hours a week at all-for every Part Time employee added in the last five years, 45 Full Time employees have been added.

This is the second time I posted these figures from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Yet you just repeat your misinformation that the right wing media gave you about all kinds of workers being hired Part Time to avoid qualifying for the ACA, when the stats I posted in the message you were responding to showed that almost no Part Time workers have been hired at all for years.

The right wing has controlled your thinking well-you prefer to hear what they tell you so much that when presented with facts, you simply ignore them and go with the misinformation the right wing media has instilled in you.

Looks like he has been a three day drunk and someone surprised him out of bed on the fourth day.

2016 has been an unusually good year for the unemployment rate. It's been 5% or less. Just a few years ago, it was 8% or more.

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Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2006 4.7 4.8 4.7 4.7 4.6 4.6 4.7 4.7 4.5 4.4 4.5 4.4
2007 4.6 4.5 4.4 4.5 4.4 4.6 4.7 4.6 4.7 4.7 4.7 5.0
2008 5.0 4.9 5.1 5.0 5.4 5.6 5.8 6.1 6.1 6.5 6.8 7.3
2009 7.8 8.3 8.7 9.0 9.4 9.5 9.5 9.6 9.8 10.0 9.9 9.9
2010 9.8 9.8 9.9 9.9 9.6 9.4 9.4 9.5 9.5 9.4 9.8 9.3
2011 9.1 9.0 9.0 9.1 9.0 9.1 9.0 9.0 9.0 8.8 8.6 8.5
2012 8.3 8.3 8.2 8.2 8.2 8.2 8.2 8.1 7.8 7.8 7.7 7.9
2013 8.0 7.7 7.5 7.6 7.5 7.5 7.3 7.3 7.3 7.2 6.9 6.7
2014 6.6 6.7 6.7 6.2 6.2 6.1 6.2 6.2 6.0 5.7 5.8 5.6
2015 5.7 5.5 5.5 5.4 5.5 5.3 5.3 5.1 5.1 5.0 5.0 5.0

Year. Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2016 4.9 4.9 5.0 5.0 4.7 4.9 4.9 4.9 5.0 4.9

Author unknown:
I listened as they called my President a Muslim.
I listened as they called him and his family a pack of monkeys.
I listened as they said he wasn't born here.
I watched as they blocked every single path to progress that they could.
I saw the pictures of him as Hitler.
I watched them shut down the government and hurt the entire nation twice.
I watched them turn their backs on every opportunity to open worthwhile dialog.
I watched them say that they would not even listen to any choice for Supreme Court no matter who the nominee was.
I listened as they openly said that they will oppose him at every turn.
I watched as they did just that.
I listened.
I watched.
I paid attention.
Now, I'm being called on to be tolerant.
To move forward.
To denounce protesters.
To "Get over it."
To accept this...
I will not.
I will do my part to make sure this great American mistake becomes the embarrassing footnote of our history that it deserves to be.
I will do this as quickly as possible every chance I get.
I will do my part to limit the damage that this man can do to my country.
I will watch his every move and point out every single mistake and misdeed in a loud and proud voice.
I will let you know in a loud voice every time this man backs away from a promise he made to them.
Them. The people who voted for him.
The ones who sold their souls and prayed for him to win.
I will do this so that they never forget.
And they will hear me.
They will see it in my eyes when I look at them.
They will hear it in my voice when I talk to them.
They will know that I know who they are.
They will know that I know what they are.
Do not call for my tolerance. I've tolerated all I can.
Now it's their turn to tolerate ridicule.
Be aware, make no mistake about it, every single thing that goes wrong in our country from this day
forward is now Trump's fault just as much as they thought it was Obama's.
I find it unreasonable for them to expect from me what they were entirely unwilling to give."