Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

@izzythepush,

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Probably because they're impressed by your president. Not an easy job after America's reputation had been dragged through the mud by his predecessor.

I highly doubt they are impressed by Obama when it comes to doing business. They are non-union shops and Obama is all about Big Unions. The people he puts in charge of the NLRB are not pro-business, they are pro-union and their rules bare this out.

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Not an easy job after America's reputation had been dragged through the mud by his predecessor.

You are showing more of that business savvy you are so famous for... Rolling Eyes

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@Baldimo,

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Why are so many foreign companies moving operations here? You will notice none of them are union jobs and they pay their people well. I'm also sure they pay on performance where with Unions you don't. The person who does a shitty job gets the same pay as the workers who does an awesome job. Unions don't want exceptional, they want average and then demand everyone gets the exceptional pay

And yet the states which have high union membership also have high standards of living and a highly educated citizenry compared to the low union membership states. Must be all those union workers sending their kids to college, something nonunion workers frequently cannot do. It has to do with the idea that when money is paid out, it gets redistributed in the local area which then created demand for more products and services in the local area, which in turn creates more money being paid out, etc.

I realize your ideal business model is one where there are no minimum wages, no safety standards, (you can leave if you feel the place is too dangerous), no worker's rights, and where the first thing the shop foremen are taught to say to the workers is, "As soon as you figure out how to get your arm out of that machine, you're fired". But it's really more complex than that.

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@Blickers,

Your understanding of economics is spot on!

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@cicerone imposter,

Thanks, CI. Your posts on economic issues are always illuminating, as well.

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@Blickers,

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And yet the states which have high union membership also have high standards of living and a highly educated citizenry compared to the low union membership states. Must be all those union workers sending their kids to college, something nonunion workers frequently cannot do. It has to do with the idea that when money is paid out, it gets redistributed in the local area which then created demand for more products and services in the local area, which in turn creates more money being paid out, etc.

You do realize that the majority of union workers are govt employees? Only about 11% of private sector jobs were Union. The govt doesn't produce anything so no money is actually being made, it is a redistribution of taxpayer money. How much cheaper would it be to run the govt if they didn't have all of those jobs as union jobs?

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I realize your ideal business model is one where there are no minimum wages, no safety standards, (you can leave if you feel the place is too dangerous), no worker's rights, and where the first thing the shop foremen are taught to say to the workers is, "As soon as you figure out how to get your arm out of that machine, you're fired". But it's really more complex than that.

I can tell you wrote this without even knowing where I really stand on this. Why is it always full govt control on such things or no govt control on such things? There doesn't seem to be any middle ground where you are concerned. Smaller govt doesn't mean no govt. This is where you get things twisted.

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@Baldimo,

Business savvy? He was supposed to be running a country not making profits for Halliburton. He dragged America's reputation through the mud, allowed the biggest terrorist strike in History, caused the deaths of thousands of civilians and allied soldiers, plunged America into debt and recession.

Who gives a **** about that as long as the rich men in Halliburton are OK?

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@Blickers,

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Seriously, Baldimo doesn't think the auto factories that moved to Mexico that pay workers a hilariously low wage aren't primarily responsible for Detroit's downfall? How is that possible?

He's been sold a mantra, unions bad, lack of corporate responsibility good. It doesn't matter how shitty things get, he keeps it tight to his chest in the vain hope he'll be thrown a few crumbs.

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@izzythepush,

Must be a follower of Trump who claims he's going to "make America great again." Trump has his products produced in other countries. Trump is a textbook liar, narcissist, a divider, and racial bigot. He has discriminated against blacks most of his life. It's in his genes; white superiority. The KKK loves him.

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BREAKING: U.S. Senate Moves To Investigate Donald Trump For Human Trafficking (DETAILS)
http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/09/07/breaking-u-s-senate-moves-to-investigate-donald-trump-for-human-trafficking-details/

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The Boring Scandal That Might Finally Take Donald Trump Down
http://www.pajiba.com/politics/the-boring-scandal-that-might-finally-take-donald-trump-down.php#.V98vg2N-9hR.facebook

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@TheCobbler,

A few questions from an antipodean?
Is Trump's model agency actually run/owned by Trump - or just uses his name?

This is datelined 7 September and this is the first I've heard of it so apparently not of much a campaign drama?

The senate has a republican majority - are they sabotaging their candidate, or would blocking this made them cravely partisan?

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@hingehead,

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/barbara-boxer-donald-trump-immigration_us_57d03fe8e4b0a48094a6f5e7

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@cicerone imposter,

Thanks CI, but what you posted is well over a week old AND it's Boxer calling for a Senate inquiry - Cobbler's seemed to indicate a Senate investigation had been commissioned. And the Pajiba article Cobbler then posted is nearly a week old.

This seems to have fizzed as an issue.

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@Baldimo,

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You do realize that the majority of union workers are govt employees? Only about 11% of private sector jobs were Union.

Yes, but only one seventh of American employees are government employees. As a result, there are more private sector union members than public sector union members-and that includes state and local government as well. Do you think the government is making autos these days, (actually they did temporarily during the bailout, but no more). You're complaining about private sector unions, then turn around and say that private sector unions are a nonfactor.

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The govt doesn't produce anything so no money is actually being made, it is a redistribution of taxpayer money. How much cheaper would it be to run the govt if they didn't have all of those jobs as union jobs?

Another conservative shibboleth. What's your definition of "produce"? What does a stockbroker produce? How about the members of a band that play weddings-where is the physical evidence of their production?

How about a teacher-would you say that they don't actually produce anything? How about a literate society?

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Why is it always full govt control on such things or no govt control on such things?

Protecting the worker's right to collective bargaining is not "full government control". So it's a moot point.

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@cicerone imposter,

I sure as hell wish you could convince more white noncollage educated voters of that fact. They seem to be unable to understand English facts.

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@hingehead,

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This [human trafficking] seems to have fizzed as an issue.

Love the "liberal" media. Emails go on forever with Hillary, Trump's human trafficking connection fizzles.

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@Blickers,

Yeah - I've been pretty amazed how much **** doesn't stick to Trump - and he has plenty.

Even the arguably legal stuff he's done, like delaying payments to contractors until just before legal proceeding commence should be more than enough to have him on the trash heap on character grounds.

We really do appear to be living in a post-fact universe.

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@hingehead,

Let's get back to Trump's tax returns. How many presidential candidates refused to show their tax return? One: Donald Trump. He lies about most things, and hides things when it will reveal his international business dealings (especially with Russia) and his non-donations to charities. He lies too often, and hides too many things that proves he can't be trusted.

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@cicerone imposter,

I don't think it will matter to Trump supporters.

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@hingehead,

I know you are right. Trump supporters are the racial bigots and xenophobes like him.
Here's Donald's 101 biggest lies.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/4834/trumps-101-lies-hank-berrien#

Why would anyone want Trump as our President/CIC? This is the guy who criticizes our generals, our President, and the family of a war hero, and he admires Putin because he gets a 82% approval rating.

The guy doesn't even understand how Russian politics works. He's an ignoramus on a scale that would kill any other campaign for president in any country - except China and Russia.

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