Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

Obama who never served in the military also seemed to be fit for CIC... Hillary who hasn't served in the military also seems to be a good fir for CIC...

Thomas Jefferson who never served in the military also seemed to be fit for CIC...

We are talking about modern day politicians not the founding fathers. Someone points out Obama and Hillary didn't serve and you have to go back to Jefferson? Weak!

The relationship (or lack of it) that military service has to serving as a politician shouldn't change that much just according to the era, should it?

So you are complaining that I went back to the Founding Fathers as an example to follow? Modern conservatism really is intellectually bankrupt, isn't it?

Well you couldn't use either of the Bush's as they were both in the Military in one form or another, they both wore the uniform. Reagan served, Ford served, Nixon served and Eisenhower served. So of course to make your candidate feel better about not serving in the military you had to go back to the founding fathers. Neither Hillary or Bill served, Bernie didn't serve and I'm pretty sure every one of them were anti-war protesters during the Vietnam War. Obama didn't serve either.

So what's your point? This is a civilian government, the military takes orders from the civilian government, not the other way around. I don't have to go back to Thomas Jefferson to find a president who was not in the military, but as long as we are bringing up the question of whether somebody has to serve in the military to be competent to be President, who better to bring up than the author of the Declaration of Independence, our Third President who, once in office, made the deal with France to more than double the size of the young country?

Take all the lists of presidents you want, I'll stick with Jefferson, and we'll see who comes out better in this discussion.

Once again, it is hilarious to see a conservative get outraged that I refer to one of the Founding Fathers as an example to follow.

I didn't question whether one had to serve in the military to be President, it was one of your lefty buddies who thought it was ok to rag on Trump for not serving. I only posted what I did to point out that none of the recent Dem presidents had served.


Outraged? I think that is a little bit of a stretch.

Well, if you don't think a candidate has to serve in the military to be qualified to be President, and I don't think a candidate has to serve in the military to be qualified to be President, what are we arguing about? So why the long lists of presidents who did serve in the military as if you are proving some kind of point, if you now say you don't believe in that point anyway.

And really, why the objection to using Thomas Jefferson as a perfectly qualified presidential candidate, which most people think is an understatement?

I guess you didn't read my post:



What is hard to understand about what I said? It was one your peeps who brought up serving and being President. You are worried about me bringing it up when I only rebutted someone else's statement. You should be asking them why it matters.



Well I thought the whole point of the modern day leftist movement was to discredit the Founding Fathers. I mean they were white slave owners and racists to boot. Isn't that how we judge US history now, through the glasses of modern day relativism? If that is the case then how can you reasonably use TJ for anything positive?

Which Thomas Jefferson are we looking at?

The Character of Thomas Jefferson

By Joseph J. Ellis

365 pages. Alfred A. Knopf. $26.

Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence and the third President of the United States, remains one of the most enigmatic of historical figures -- the ''American Sphinx,'' as the title of Joseph J. Ellis's compelling new book puts it. His life, after all, stands as a messy tangle of contradictions: he was an aristocrat who was suspicious of elites, an avatar of freedom who owned slaves, a spendthrift who believed in governmental austerity; a worldly philosopher who championed agrarian values; a nearly lifelong politician who repeatedly insisted he wanted nothing so much as to retire to his plantation in Virginia.

Since his death in 1826, Jefferson has been embraced by wildly divergent political movements, from Southern secessionists who cited him on behalf of states' rights to Northern Abolitionists who quoted his words from the Declaration of Independence, from conservatives fed up with government regulations to liberals committed to the institutionalization of equality. After 30 years of work on his life, one of his many biographers, Merrill Peterson, confessed that ''Jefferson remains for me, finally, an impenetrable man.''

The one the colleges teach about. All the Founding Fathers were racists slave owners who have no reason to be respected. Don't you follow what goes on in today's colleges? The leftist are re-writing history to disparage the founding of this nation.

You're suffering from myopia - of the brain.
BTW, how many colleges curriculum are you familiar with?

Have you not seen the social justice warriors that are being produced by colleges these days? Their contempt for our nations history as taught by their border line communist professors. You need to pull your head out of the sand CI.

You need to support your claims with evidence.

How many colleges have been gripped with millennial brats who demand the changing of the name of a building because the person was a slave owner? It doesn't matter what the person did in their lives, they owned slaves so it's got to change. Do you not see the SJW BS going on around this country? If you don't see it, I can't explain it to you.

Naming of buildings, parks, universities, airports, and sites are common in this country. You probably just didn't notice the obvious. Some like the San Jose International Airport was named for Norm Mineta who is still alive. I was lucky to have been invited by him to join a small group to have lunch with him at the US Capitol when we visited Washington DC.

You are correct naming of them is common. Having a bunch of barley educated 20 something brats demanding the name change of a building is BS.

Why? Because YOU say so? ROFLMAO You need to accept some of the realities of life that you disagree with. That goes along with living a 'normal' life.

What reality is that CI? You were just saying a few posts ago that this doesn't happen.