Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

The DNC rule don't jibe with your opinion:

"If a Democratic primary candidate can win 59 percent of the Party’s “pledged” (primary- and caucus} -the primary is decided by pledged delegates; if a Democratic primary candidate fails to meet that threshold, they are considered by DNC electoral processes to be a weak front-runner and the nomination is finally decided, instead, by “superdelegates” — who can express support for a candidate at any time, but cannot commit themselves to anyone (i.e., cast a binding vote for any candidate) until the Democratic National Convention in July; superdelegates are unlike pledged delegates in this regard because, while pledged delegates also do not vote until the Party’s convention, they cannot change their votes from what their state’s voting results pledged them to be — though it has been argued by some that in fact they can change their votes at the Convention, with this argument most recently having been advanced by Hillary Rodham Clinton in 2008."

(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/how-to-explain-the-sanders_b_10206250.html)

She does not have it clinched yet according to the DNC's rules.

AMEN!

Do you seriously believe that all those superdelegates who said they'd vote for Clinton will do a volte face?

There is a problem with Caucuses Primaries and Campaign funding. Unfortunately, (as John Oliver has pointed out,) candidates only seem to bother about these problems when they're running.

She will after tonight in NJ before polls close in California.

But it doesn't matter, Sanders has said he is still taking it to the convention regardless of whether she gets the required number or not. Superdelegates have come out and said they will not change their minds but Bernie is still thinking he can persuade them. I am just wondering what in the world he is going to do once they vote for Hillary at the convention. I hope he graciously accepts their vote and vows to fight for Hillary against Trump and ask his followers to do the same. He has influence on some of them and he can use his influence for the good of beating Trump. I am not saying Hillary needs to do nothing in that regard, she needs to do all in her power to convince those voters to vote for her too.

I agree. But a question - How would that look different than what Hillary is already doing? Would she place TV ads, pleading with Bernie voters? Would she parcel a part of every speech and appearance to address Bernie voters directly? She says at every opportunity the general statement that "we are stronger together than apart" and other general statements that are clearly intended to reach out to Bernie supporters. But really, what is she supposed to do that she is not doing to, as Bernie puts it "convince voters that she is the right candidate"?

I am not sure, just wanted to get that out there because I do agree Clinton needs to do her part and I knew that was coming. It is just that Bernie needs to his part and unlike Clinton, he isn't doing his part in convincing voters to vote Clinton. The answer for that is, the race is not over, he is still campaigning for his own votes.

Well, the race will be over tonight. The superdelegates have said they will not switch to Bernie. He will not have enough delegates to overtake Hillary and Hillary will have the required delegates after New Jersey to win the Democrat nomination for the first woman President of the US. I am not saying we should vote a woman only because she is a woman anymore than I said we should have voted Obama because he was a black man. However, both are historical events and can at least be acknowledged.

To be a big enough person, in my honest opinion, Bernie Sanders needs to go on TV tonight and concede the election and congratulate Hillary graciously. After that, the DNC needs to make sure Bernie Sanders has a say in the platform and given a big slot to speak in the convention. If he doesn't do that, and insist on contesting the convention, I have no respect for him whatsoever and no excuse will excuse it.

She needs to be able to do it without the supers. Hopefully it's a bright clean (no supers) win line tomorrow.

Just speculating here. I wonder if Bernie taking it all the way to the convention might not be by tacit agreement with Hillary. The reasoning behind this speculation is that in 2008, I was for Hillary and was super annoyed at the Obama partisans constantly saying, "concede, concede" while Hillary still had a mathematical chance. Her sticking by it until she was mathematically eliminated had a sense of closure that every avenue had been explored and it was all over.

With a certain amount of Bernie supporters still po'd at Hillary, that sense of closure gained by never giving up until it is completely over might work to bring a significant number of anti-Hillary Bernie supporters back into the fold. If Bernie gives up too soon, a certain amount of Bernie supporters might say, "They got to him to give up while he still had a chance". If Bernie takes it to the convention still trying and still can't take it, that sense of closure that comes from knowing that truly everything had been tried but didn't work takes over.

Just speculation on my part.

Here's my observation. I think Bernie is doing the right thing. He's running for the most powerful position in the world. You don't give up easily when the goal is so huge. This is not some mayorship or councilman position. It's as the leader of the most powerful nation on this planet. A little setback is not reason enough to quit. Fight to the end.

Why I am shocked, se-e-e-r-r-r-riously shocked at your suggestion that DNC appointed superdelegates would ever break the rules of the DNC. S-h-o-c-k-e-d.

I'm perfectly willing to stipulate there are absolutely NO shenanigans coming from the DNC, FoB's, Clintonistas, DWS: anybody invested in this election and primary. Its all on the square.

If you can accept that then whats the problem with letting the primary continue the way an awful lot of Americans want. Its not as if she's leading 2:1. It kinda makes me think of that weasel Cruz announcing on Iowa primary morning that the numbskull Carson had polled out of the GOP race.

Its the freaking partisanship: lets face it, either Bernie or Hillary wanted the other to stand-down from day one when polls showed Bernied be out by the early primary season and Hillary'd be doing victory laps by Florida. The polls were wrong about Bernie and they've been wrong about states that Bernie won big at.

I'm will to believe that Hillary did not start counting super delegates from day one or even before she faced her first primary. How do I know she didn't do that terrible thing with DWS' help: because it would have been against the rules and I don't think either Hillary or DWS are capable of that. Why? Do you?

And that's why Hillary Clinton, DWS, Bernie Sanders and you and I want Bernie to campaign to the Convention, because its the DNC rules.

And of course we would never want to disenfranchise well over 10 million registered Californian and New Jersey voters, would we? Let alone there's a local election often tied to the primary vote too. We wouldn't want to suppress turnout by making their primary choice voice unheard, would we???

That's all I'm asking for. A transparent election.

I think her "rebuttal" to Trump was one of the best things I've saw of a political nature on TV. She was truly awe inspiring. Its the first time I ever listened to her for more than a few minutes. this time the was calm, not shrill or angrily speaking quicker than most people can hear let alone follow.

And she definitely seemed Presidential. If shes the nod, I will have trouble voting for her.

If Hillary gets enough regular delegates to win the nomination tonight, do you think Sanders should contest the convention?

Does anyone know the last time a contested convention was held?

That's not for me to decide. Sanders needs to make that decision. I'm sure he has experienced advisors that can make the right recommendation.

You've always been really annoying with this stuff CI.

Someone asks you a question "What do YOU think Sanders should do?" and you respond with, "That's up to Sanders to decide."

First off, no g-damn ****...not one person thinks that Sanders is going to follow your advice or even see it.

Second, it makes it really frustrating to try to engage you in a conversation.

Then quit asking. SIMPLE solution.

That is not what I asked. You said Sanders needs to fight to the finish; I merely wondered what you considered a finish. When Clinton reaches 2,026 regular delegates she needs to win or do you believe Sanders should contest the convention like he already said he was going to do even if she reaches the required delegates. You gave a wimpy non-answer you would have been better off not answering at all.

He has no problems giving you his opinion when it's unquestioned and obvious.

But when asked to provide some insight into his thinking on something with a bit of a grey area, he'll go radio-silent.

He'll walk the tightrope of whatever the popular opinion is on A2K (or likely, wherever he is) and won't come out too strongly either way unless the overwhelming support is on his side.

Take his advice, stop talking to him.

You're attributing desires on me I simply don't have. I'm worried about the Brexit referendum and Ronald Koeman's resignation right now. I'm not that concerned about what Clinton/Sanders are doing.

According to the BBC and Channel 4 she has the delegates, as far as our Media is concerned it's a done deal.

Dang, I'm glad others see that about CI. Maddening.

It's interesting how upset all of you are for something I have no opinion on.
CLUE: Get a life.