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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2021 03:11 am
@snood,
snood wrote:
Doesn't matter to you what the facts are.

You cannot point out any untrue statements in my posts.


snood wrote:
You're still calling an event that has hundreds of people arrested for crimes they committed at a riot on federal grounds a peaceful protest.

That the Biden Administration oppresses peaceful protesters says more about the Biden Administration than it does the peaceful protesters.


snood wrote:
If we do find out he is another crazy right wing goon, you'll just ignore

Probably. I don't see how it would be relevant.


snood wrote:
and deny it anyway.

I'm not a progressive. I don't deny reality.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2021 03:15 am
@TheCobbler,
Brexit was not the brain child of Putin. I’ve not disputed the fact that he took advantage but he did not think it up.

In the general election of 1997 there was a referendum party standing as well as UKIP. That was when Boris Yeltsin was president.

Brexit has very long roots.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2021 03:44 am
@izzythepush,
Racism was around long before Hitler, it too has long roots, and your point is?

The reality of Russian meddling in UK politics
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/22/the-reality-of-russian-meddling-in-uk-politics

izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2021 04:39 am
@TheCobbler,
My point is that you are crediting Putin with too much. Brexit was not his brainchild, it was around long before he came to power. He took advantage of it in the same way Hitler used anti Semitism to his advantage.

It sounds like you’re agreeing with me, that Brexit was not the brainchild of Putin after all.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2021 04:41 am
@snood,
Notice the lack of compassion for the victims and general inhumanity. The NRA murders more people and Oralloy attacks Democrats for general decency.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2021 08:08 am
@izzythepush,
I am just saying that while the British people were off in gaga land, Putin was one step ahead of them manipulating the country, playing on their fears to erode the European union and isolate parts of the UK in the free world. Did Putin invent subversive warfare? No.

I use the word "brain child" because Putin was poisoning the British masses in their unawares. They seem to still be in denial of the enemy at their gates.

Maybe the Russian press is just a pretty wooden horse? (cynical)
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2021 08:34 am
@TheCobbler,
Don’t redefine words to avoid admitting you were wrong.

I don’t mean this nastily but you have a habit of shooting your mouth off without availing yourself of the full facts, and there’s no disgrace in admitting when you’re wrong.

Whenever I’ve admitted it people have been very nice afterwards.

Putin did take advantage of Brexit, his long term strategy has been to undermine Democratic institutions like the EU and NATO.

However, his contribution is minimal. The main riders were the tabloid press, the Mail, the Express and all of Murdoch’s publications have always been virulently Europhobic, printing fake news about Brussels legislation long before Donald Trump popularised the term.

That and a generation of old gits still old enough to remember the last days of Empire who seemed to think that all the Commonwealth countries will be falling over themselves to sign trade deals and “put Britain back where it belongs.”

And despite the younger generations being in favour of the EU the old gits won because they always vote and young people don’t. Some voted leave just to piss off David Cameron not realising it was binding.

Ofcom is a public body that looks at press impartiality. It doesn’t look at the actions of the government that owns the station. Those are treated as two separate matters. Now you may have a point when you attack the Conservative Government for failing to ban RT outright following the Salisbury poisonings, but you can’t say that about Ofcom.

Ofcom didn’t take away China’s licence because of what China is doing to the Uighurs or their actions in Hong Kong, it was because of how they reported the events. RT has been very careful in how it reports events, and that is why they have kept their licence, not because Ofcom is full of right wing supervisors.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2021 08:45 am
@TheCobbler,
When you talk about Putin poisoning the minds of the British people you're making a huge leap. Just because RT broadcasts over here doesn’t mean anybody watches it. Most of its output is is a leftwing critique of Western Government’s actions. During the Royal Wedding between William and Kate Middleton when everyone else was broadcasting fluffy pap about crowds and street parties RT lead on various “troublemakers” rounded up and detained by the police.

Those who have been poisoning the minds of the British people about the EU are the tabloid press.
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snood
 
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Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2021 09:11 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Notice the lack of compassion for the victims and general inhumanity. The NRA murders more people and Oralloy attacks Democrats for general decency.


People like that don’t get it until they or their families suffer the same kind of tragedy. I doubt Oralloy would even get it then.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2021 09:20 am
@snood,
What the **** is “virtue signalling” supposed to mean anyway?

They just want to vilify people for feeling sympathy for victims of crime, it’s disgusting and completely inhuman.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2021 09:22 am
@snood,
Oralloy wouldn’t get it because his gun is all he has. That is the entirety of his personality and he’s terrified of it being taken away from him because there would be nothing left.
snood
 
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Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2021 10:09 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

What the **** is “virtue signalling” supposed to mean anyway?
They just want to vilify people for feeling sympathy for victims of crime, it’s disgusting and completely inhuman.


It comes from the same fucked-up right-wing sick thinking that said being offensive is just not “politically correct”. The exact same ass-backwardness that tries to be racist and crude, then cries “cancel culture” if anyone calls them out.

That’s why orange Mussolini was their hero. He just barfed out his bowels in public all the time with no consequence. They miss that. They aspire to that.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2021 11:50 am
Lawyers for Sidney Powell argued conspiracies she laid out constituted legally protected first amendment speech

A key member of the legal team that sought to steal the 2020 election for Donald Trump is defending herself against a billion-dollar defamation lawsuit by arguing that “no reasonable person” could have mistaken her wild claims about election fraud last November as statements of fact.

Pro-Trump lawyer says ‘no reasonable person’ would believe her election lies

BillW
 
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Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2021 12:54 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Oralloy wouldn’t get it because his gun is all he has. That is the entirety of his personality and he’s terrified of it being taken away from him because there would be nothing left.

He shoots nothing but blanks, he doesn't have anything but a loud mouth; uuuhhhhh, finger🤗 I bet his gun doesn't even wrong - yes, that one too! 👾
BillW
 
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Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2021 12:57 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
That would be a great argument except for January 6th. Well, not even then.........never mind!
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2021 01:07 pm
@izzythepush,
Wikipedia seems to think you are wrong Izzy... But you can believe the conservatives if you like, they never lie about their secret meetings in Russia. And they would never take bribes from Putin...
And, Cambridge Analytica would never target UK social media for political gains! (cynical)
The Russian money and disinformation apparatus was all in place long before the vote. The older UK generation was their target, bullseye!
Now go argue with Wikipedia... And you expect UK conservatives to, after the fact, investigate themselves ethically? lol

"The Russia Report" published by the Intelligence and Security Committee of Parliament in July 2020 did not specifically address the Brexit campaign, but it concluded that Russian interference in UK politics is commonplace. It also found substantial evidence that there had been interference in the 2014 Scottish independence referendum, with an attempt to obtain a vote in favour of the split.

Timeline
Background
After the 2016 United Kingdom European Union membership referendum on the UK leaving the EU ("Brexit"), Prime Minister David Cameron suggested that Russia "might be happy" with a positive Brexit vote. The official Remain campaign accused the Kremlin of secretly backing a positive Brexit vote.[3]

Before the vote
2014 July 22, Laurence Levy, a lawyer with the U.S. law firm Bracewell & Giuliani, advises U.S. heiress Rebekah Mercer, American media executive Steve Bannon, and British businessman Alexander Nix on the legality of their company, Cambridge Analytica, being involved in U.S. elections. He advises that Nix and any foreign nationals without a green card working for the company not be involved in any decisions about work the company performs for any clients related to U.S. elections. He further advises Nix to recuse himself from any involvement with the company's U.S. election work because he is not a U.S. citizen.[4][5]
2015 September 26–27, during the UKIP annual conference at the Doncaster Racecourse, British political activist Andy Wigmore meets Alexander Udod, a Russian diplomat and suspected Russian intelligence officer, who in 2018 was to be expelled from the U.K. in retaliation for the poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal. In October, Udod arranges a November lunch for Wigmore, British businessman Arron Banks, and the Russian ambassador to London, Alexander Yakovenko.[6][7][8]
24 October 2015, Arron Banks sends an email to Steve Bannon and others to request help from Cambridge Analytica, where Bannon is a VP, with fundraising in the U.S. for the Leave.EU campaign. Foreign contributions to British political campaigns are illegal. Banks comes under criminal investigation in 2018 in part over questions about Leave.EU's funding sources.[9][10]
6 November 2015, Wigmore and Banks have lunch with Yakovenko at the ambassador's residence in London; they brief him on Brexit. In a June 2018 interview, Wigmore tells The Washington Post his goal for the meeting was to discuss finding a buyer for a banana plantation in Belize.[6][7]
17 November 2015, Andy Wigmore, Banks, and Cambridge Analytica executive Brittany Kaiser launch the Leave.EU campaign.[11][12] Yakovenko introduces Wigmore and Banks to Russian oligarch Siman Povarenkin and documents related to the meeting suggest Banks was offered business deals, per The Guardian reports from 2018.[11]
2016 March, Philip Hammond, the former Secretary for Defence and Foreign Secretary (later the Chancellor of the Exchequer) stated in a speech "the only country who would like us to leave the EU is Russia".[13]

After the 23 June 2016 vote
2016 July 21, Wigmore and Nigel Farage encounter staffers for Mississippi Governor Phil Bryant at the bar in the Hilton Hotel. A staffer invites Wigmore and Farage to Mississippi.[6]
2016 November 12, Banks, Farage and Wigmore visit Trump Tower unannounced and are invited inside by Bannon. They have a long meeting with Trump. Wigmore asks Trump's receptionist for the Trump transition team's contact information.[14][6][7]
December 2016, Ben Bradshaw MP claimed in Parliament that Russia had interfered in the Brexit referendum campaign.[15] In February 2017, Bradshaw called on the British intelligence service, Government Communications Headquarters, then under Boris Johnson as Foreign Secretary, to reveal any information it had on Russian interference.[16]
26 February 2017, Andy Wigmore tells The Guardian that Robert Mercer donated Cambridge Analytica's services to the Leave.EU campaign. The U.K. Electoral Commission says the donation was not declared.[17]
16 March 2017, The American Association of Political Consultants (AAPC) gives an "International Consultant of the Year" award to Nigel Farage and Leave.EU in Huntington Beach, California.[18]
17–25 March 2017, While in Orange County, California, Farage and Arron Banks attend GOP gatherings at Scott Baugh's invitation. Splitting California into two states is discussed at two of the gatherings. Afterwards The Washington Times and The Sunday Times, London reports that Baugh and Gerry Gunster are hiring Farage and Banks to help fundraise in California for a campaign to split the state in two.[19][20] Baugh denies the story saying he only, "asked Farage if he would be interested in talking to some of the county's GOP movers and shakers.".[21]
2017 October, Members of Parliament in the Culture, Media and Sport Committee demanded that Facebook, Twitter, Google, and other social media corporations disclose all adverts and details of payments by Russia in the Brexit campaign.[22]
November 2017, it became public knowledge that Matthew Elliott, the chief executive of Vote Leave, was a founding member of Conservative Friends of Russia, and had been a target asset by someone known to be a Russian spy.[23]
12 December 2017, members of the US Congress Ruben Gallego, Eric Swalwell and Gerry Connolly wrote to the Director of National Intelligence requesting information on Russian interference in the Brexit vote.[24] On 13 December 2017, Facebook stated that it found no significant Russian activity during Brexit, but this[clarification needed] was immediately rejected by the committee chair, Damian Collins, as being information that was already public after US investigations into Russian interference.[25]
2018 January, a US Senate minority report suggested possible ways Russia may have influenced the Brexit campaign.[26] It stated,[27]
The Russian government has sought to influence democracy in the United Kingdom through disinformation, cyber hacking, and corruption. While a complete picture of the scope and nature of Kremlin interference in the UK's June 2016 referendum is still emerging, Prime Minister Theresa May and the UK government have condemned the Kremlin's active measures, and various UK government entities, including the Electoral Commission and parliamentarians, have launched investigations into different aspects of possible Russian government meddling.

19 March 2018, Channel 4 broadcasts its investigative documentary on Cambridge Analytica.[28]
June 2018, The Guardian suggested that Arron Banks, the biggest donor to the campaign for leaving, and co-organiser of Leave.EU received the offer of a Russian gold mine, and had had a series of meetings with the Russian Ambassador. On 14 June 2018, Banks appeared before Parliamentary committee hearing, where he appeared to admit to having lied about his engagements with Russians, and later walked out refusing to answer further questions by citing a luncheon appointment with the Democratic Unionist Party.[29][failed verification]
July 2018, the House of Commons Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee, released an interim report on 'Disinformation and ‘fake news’', stating that Russia had engaged in "unconventional warfare" through Twitter and other social media against the United Kingdom, designed to amplify support for a "leave" vote in Brexit.[30]
20 September, AggregateIQ, a Canadian political consultancy and analytics company, receives the first General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) notice issued by the Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) for using people's data "for purposes which they would not have expected." Various pro-Brexit campaigns paid the company £3.5 million to target ads at prospective voters. While its Brexit work was before the GDPR went into effect, it was fined because it retained and continued to use the data after the GDPR came into full force. The company is affiliated with SCL Group and Cambridge Analytica, and Cambridge Analytica employees sometimes call AggregateIQ "our Canadian office."[31]
1 November 2018, The British National Crime Agency opens a criminal investigation into Arron Banks upon referral from the Electoral Commission and concluded "we have reasonable grounds to suspect that: Mr Banks was not the true source of the £8m reported as loans" and "Various criminal offences may have been committed."[32] The commission believes Banks facilitated a loan from Rock Holdings to his Leave.EU campaign. Rock Holdings is barred from funding campaigns in the U.K. under British election law because it is on the Isle of Man, which is a possession of the British Crown but not part of the United Kingdom.[33]
2019 February, The Guardian reports that Brittany Kaiser, former business development director of SCL Group, was subpoenaed by Robert Mueller. Her spokesman said she was cooperating fully with his investigation. She is the first person with links to both Brexit and the Trump campaign known to have been questioned by Mueller.[34]
17 October 2019, the Intelligence and Security Committee of the UK Parliament passes a completed report on allegations that Russian government-sponsored activities had an effect on the outcome of the referendum to Downing Street.[35]
4 November 2019, Downing Street comments that the report received on 17 October will not be published prior to the 2019 UK General Election.[35]
Social media
Ad Influence in the Brexit referendum included the promotion of misinformation through both fake social media accounts and state-sponsored media outlets such as RT and Sputnik.[36] In addition to interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, Russian trolls have previously been documented promoting fake claims of election fraud after the 2014 Scottish independence referendum and attempting to amplify the public impact of terrorist attacks,[37] with Prime Minister Theresa May accusing the Russian government of “deploying its state-run media organisations to plant fake stories and photo-shopped images in an attempt to sow discord in the West and undermine our institutions”.[38]

RT
According to a US senate report, Russian state media channel RT covered the referendum campaign extensively and offered "systematically one-sided coverage".[39][40] A parliamentary inquiry into disinformation and 'fake news' cited research estimating the value of anti-EU Russian state media during the EU referendum campaign at between £1.4 and 4.14 million.[37]

Twitter bots
Data released by Twitter in 2018 identified 3,841 accounts of Russian origin affiliated with the Internet Research Agency, as well as 770 potentially from Iran, which collectively sent over 10 million Tweets in "an effort to spread disinformation and discord", according to The Telegraph, with a "day-long blitz" on the day of the referendum.[41][42] One study, with a sample of 1.5 million tweets containing hashtags relating to the referendum, found that almost a third of all tweets had been generated by just 1% of the 300,000 sampled accounts. They found that both pro-Leave and pro-Remain bots existed but that "the family of hashtags associated with the argument for leaving the EU dominates", with pro-Leave bots tweeting more than three times as often.[43][44]

In November 2017, The Times reported that researchers from Swansea University and UC Berkeley had identified around 150,000 accounts with links to Russia that tweeted about Brexit in the run-up to the referendum.[45][46] Others at City, University of London had previously documented a network of 13,493 accounts that tweeted about the referendum, “only to disappear from Twitter shortly after the ballot”.[47] A working paper for the National Bureau of Economic Research claims the influence of Twitter bots may have been significant enough to impact the result, roughly calculating that automated accounts may have ultimately been responsible for around 1.76 percentage points of the 'Leave' vote share.[48][49]

An analysis by cybersecurity firm F-Secure indicated that "suspicious activity" relating to Brexit-related posts on Twitter has continued after the referendum and into 2019, with Professor Jason Reifler of the University of Exeter commenting that the observed patterns of activity are consistent with tactics used by Russian troll farms.[50][51]

Questions about Arron Banks' funding
Arron Banks was the largest donor to the Brexit campaign. Prior to the donations, Southern Rock, Banks' underwriting company was technically insolvent and needed to find £60m to meet regulations.[52] It was saved by a £77m cash injection, mostly in September 2015 from another company, ICS Risk Solutions. According to openDemocracy, when questioned by MP Rebecca Pow, "Banks implied that this was simply him shuffling money between two companies he owns".[53] They have also reported that, while Banks has stated that he owns 90 per cent of the company he appears to actually own between 50 and 75% according to filings from a subsidiary, "suggest[ing] there may be an undeclared shareholder."[54]

At the time, Louise Kentish of a company called STM joined the board. The day after the referendum, her husband Alan Kentish, CEO of STM and two other STM people joined as well.[55] STM specialises in opaque wealth management using trusts and similar.[55]

Around the same time, September 2015, Banks, along with Andy Wigmore, started having multiple meetings with Russian officials posted at the Russian embassy in London.[56][57]

Also according to his South African business partner, Christopher Kimber,[58] Banks had been in Russia trying to raise funds around that time: "I was finally made aware in October [2015] that in truth, Banks had been dealing with Russians who contemplated investing in the mines.... I was informed by Banks that he had travelled to Russia and discussed with them the diamond opportunities as well as gold mining opportunities in Russia. He further indicated that he would be meeting with the Russians again during November [2015]."[59]

Months after the cash injection Banks started making large donations to political causes including the £8m to the Brexit campaigns. The UK's Electoral Commission stated "we have reasonable grounds to suspect that: Mr Banks was not the true source of the £8m reported as loans" leading to the 2018 criminal investigation of Banks.[32][60][55][52]

Banks states there was no Russian money and sent financial statements to the BBC's Newsnight programme to prove it but an email attached to the statements included the text "Redact the reference for Ural Properties and any references which include sensitive info e.g. the account numbers the money was sent from." Newsnight featured a story about this on 8 November 2018. It remains to be seen which accounts these are or what Ural Properties, a Gibraltar-based company, does.[61][62]

On 13 September 2019, the Metropolitan Police concluded that while "it is clear that whilst some technical breaches of electoral law were committed by Leave.EU in respect of the spending return submitted for their campaign, there is insufficient evidence to justify any further criminal investigation",[63][64] and on 24 September 2019, the National Crime Agency said it had found no evidence of criminality in respect of the issues raised by the Electoral Commission and that no further action would be taken.[65] This left investigations of Banks closed.
snood
 
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Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2021 01:15 pm
@TheCobbler,
That was kinda long. You have a Reader’s Digest version?
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2021 01:36 pm
@TheCobbler,
Wikipedia says no such thing. You have Putin working on Brexit after Cameron had announced the referendum. So much for it being his brainchild.

You can use cheap tricks like cutting and pasting half of Wikipedia in an attempt to blind one with science but you’ve not offered anything new.

No one has disputed Putin tried to influence the vote or that prominent Euro sceptics were courted by him, they were after the same thing. The influence Putin had compared with that of the tabloid press is marginal to say the least.

Your notion of Putin controlling all of Britain and single handedly being responsible for Brexit is absolute nonsense and your pathetic attempt to admit being wrong is infantile.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2021 02:00 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush lies about me because he has nothing worthwhile to contribute.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2021 02:01 pm
@BillW,
BillW lies about me because he has nothing intelligent to say.
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