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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2020 11:27 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

maporsche wrote:

So far I’m feeling pretty good about the Biden/Trump race. It’s not as clear cut as I would have hope for our country but so far Biden has the advantage, and that is the most important matter.

Best case scenario now is a Biden ‘moral victory’ that’s not as overwhelming as we needed it to be to convincingly repudiate Trump, accompanied by a still GOP controlled senate that hamstrings the presidency.


Yes, I agree.

A Biden victory will be critical for stopping the worst of the Trump administration though and right now, that's a huge win.

Trump has governed via executive order for the last 2 years and Biden can single handedly reverse all of those as well implementing a whole new, competant, and respectable cabinet/staff.

The senate elections in 2022 will be the next best chance to make something even greater out of Biden presidency - let's hope Biden voters turn out in 2 years.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2020 11:36 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:
a whole new, competant, and respectable cabinet/staff.

Ideally that staff will be kept busy defending themselves from relentless criminal investigations.

If Mr. Biden wins, Mr. Trump should appoint a range of independent prosecutors to hound him and his administration.
snood
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2020 12:44 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

maporsche wrote:
a whole new, competant, and respectable cabinet/staff.

Ideally that staff will be kept busy defending themselves from relentless criminal investigations.

If Mr. Biden wins, Mr. Trump should appoint a range of independent prosecutors to hound him and his administration.

Mr Trump’s legal help might find themselves a little preoccupied, defending against various and sundry actions against Mr Trump.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2020 12:45 pm
@maporsche,
Quote:
a whole new, competant, and respectable cabinet/staff.

Corruption begets corruption. Biden will surround himself with criminals that also got rich on the taxpayers dime. He could get the Obama staff that are somehow above the law.

Biden will destroy this country.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2020 12:50 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:
Mr Trump's legal help might find themselves a little preoccupied, defending against various and sundry actions against Mr Trump.

Deja Vu.
https://able2know.org/topic/355218-4854#post-7071213
snood
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2020 12:56 pm
@oralloy,


The post you referenced certainly does not duplicate my post above. In one, I say Trump is slinging accusations out of desperation. In the other, I say Trump’s lawyers might not have time to pursue Biden because they’ll be defending Trump. How is this deja vu?
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2020 01:06 pm
@snood,
In one post you say:
"Mr Trump's legal help might find themselves a little preoccupied, defending against various and sundry actions against Mr Trump."

In the other post you say:
"Trump and his lawyers might find themselves a bit busy defending Trump to be worried about trying to prosecute anyone else."


In both cases, my response is:
There is a difference between an independent prosecutor and a personal defense attorney.

Outlawing the Democratic Party will put an end to their attempts to abuse the law to harm people who disagree with them.
revelette3
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2020 01:15 pm
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Who will win? Here's what we know — and what we don't

The presidential race is likely down to three states in the Rust Belt –and it might take days to sort out.

But Georgia also remains in doubt, with the potential to considerably shake up the pathways to the presidency.

President Donald Trump appeared to stave off Democratic challenger Joe Biden in at least four crucial battleground states that the former vice president hoped badly to flip, shifting the focus to Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania to potentially decide the election.

Biden has pulled ahead in Wisconsin and Michigan, and the majority of the outstanding votes still to be counted are absentee ballots expected to favor Biden. The Biden campaign said Wednesday it expects those two races to be called for their candidate some time on Wednesday.

In Pennsylvania, Trump leads Biden by hundreds of thousands of votes — but 1.4 million are still being counted.

An important reminder that these ballots were cast legally, most of them well ahead of Election Day. Election officials in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin asked to be allowed to start counting ballots well ahead of Election Day, as most other states do, but Republican-controlled legislatures in those states refused.

In the battle for control of Congress, Democrats' path toward retaking the Senate was slipping away as Republicans fended off challenges in several states. In the House, Democrats were expected to maintain control, but several key swing districts flipped to Republican control.

Here's what we know after Tuesday night and what we don't:

Trump largely stops Biden in the South
In a blow to Democrats, Trump defeated Biden in two Sun Belt states – Florida and Texas – plus the Midwestern battleground of Ohio. Georgia was still too close to call as votes around Democrat-heavy Atlanta remained uncounted early Wednesday morning. North Carolina also remained too close to call, with absentee ballots to be counted.

The outcomes in the South spoiled Biden's hopes for a decisive victory on election night and rattled Democrats fearful of a repeat of the 2016 election. Trump won all five of those states four years ago but Biden had spent significant time and money trying to expand the electoral map.

Biden flips Arizona and pivotal electoral vote in Nebraska
Biden, however, flipped one state that Trump carried in 2016, Arizona. And potentially critical for his chances, Biden also claimed one electoral vote from Nebraska by winning the state's 2nd Congressional District. Nebraska hands out it electoral votes both statewide and by congressional district. It has five total; Trump won the other four.

Trump did not flip any state that he lost four years ago. That includes New Hampshire and Minnesota, a state the president's campaign was bullish about. Nevada, another state Trump targeted, did not have a clear winner as of early Wednesday morning.

That leaves the Electoral College standing at Trump with 213 electoral votes and Biden 238 electoral votes with several critical states, including Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, still undecided.

Pathways to victory for both Trump and Biden remain in Rust Belt
After Trump won them in 2016 by a combined roughly 80,000 votes, the same three Rust Belt states were on the table for both candidates as of Wednesday morning.

Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania were a part of the much vaunted blue wall that Trump was able to crack in 2016.

But thanks to his victory in Arizona, Biden could hit 270 electoral votes exactly if he wins both Wisconsin and Michigan, while holding on to Nevada. He would not need to win Pennsylvania or Georgia.

Trump would clear 270 electoral votes by carrying two out of the three Midwest states, but only if he holds on in Georgia. If Biden wins Georgia, he could reach 270 by winning only one of the three Rust Belt states.

Vote counts have been slow in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania because absentee ballots could not be processed until just before or on Election Day. Each state received a record number of mail-in ballots amid the coronavirus pandemic.

Mail-in ballot postmark rules
In Michigan, absentee ballots had to arrive by Election Day to be counted. The same goes for Wisconsin after the U.S. Supreme Court last week upheld the state's voting laws.

But Pennsylvania is counting all absentee ballots received by Nov. 6 after the U.S. Supreme Court last week refused a challenge from state Republicans for a second time to reimpose an Election Day deadline.

But absentee ballots received after Tuesday will be segregated from those received earlier. If the state turns out to be pivotal, the high court could consider the state GOP's challenge after the election.

Absentee ballots are also key in North Carolina, which must be postmarked by Election Day but can be counted if they are received by Nov. 12. In Georgia, absentee ballots can be counted if they were postmarked by Election Day and arrive at county election offices by 7 p.m. three business days later.

Trump has floated lawsuits in Pennsylvania
If the race boils down to Pennsylvania, the counting could be the subject of litigation.

Prior to Election Day, Trump vowed he would likely take legal action if he believes the election is conducted unfairly in Pennsylvania.

"As soon as that election's over, we're going in with our lawyers," Trump said this week.

He said it would be unfair for Pennsylvania and other states to count ballots after Tuesday – as they are now doing. At least five counties in Pennsylvania have already announced they will not be counting absentee and mail-in ballots until the day after Election Day.

The Senate is still a toss up, while Dems are expected to hold the House
The chances of Democrats flipping enough seats to take control of the Senate appeared to be dwindling, as Republicans fended off challenges in a number of key races.

Democrats need at least two more wins — three if former Vice President Joe Biden does not win the presidential race — to take control of the chamber. While they boasted wins in Colorado and Arizona, the path to taking the majority appeared to narrow as votes were counted elsewhere.

Republicans came out on top in several battleground states, offering some relief to conservatives worried the COVID-19 crisis and economic contraction that followed President Donald Trump's management of the pandemic could mean them losing power in the chamber.

Democrats are expected to retain control of the House of Representatives but optimistic projections that they would be expanding their already robust margin are falling short.

Instead, Republicans have enjoyed some bragging rights, unseating freshmen incumbents in South Florida, New Mexico, Oklahoma and South Carolina, while successfully defending what looked to be several vulnerable seats in Texas and elsewhere. And early Wednesday, the GOP claimed its biggest prize by knocking off 15-term Democratic Rep. Collin Peterson of Minnesota.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-biden-race-might-take-days-to-sort-out-who-will-win-here-s-what-we-know-and-what-we-don-t/ar-BB1aGaPU?ocid=Peregrine
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snood
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2020 01:15 pm
@oralloy,
How is a private citizen going to “appoint” an independent prosecutor? Are you saying Trump would start this up between November and January 20?
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2020 01:25 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:
How is a private citizen going to "appoint" an independent prosecutor?

The President is not a private citizen.


snood wrote:
Are you saying Trump would start this up between November and January 20?

I'm suggesting that he should do that.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2020 01:29 pm
@snood,
Perhaps orally means an 'independent counsel' (or 'special counsel' as it's called colloquially).


However, it is interesting, how a private citizen could do, since in the Code of Federal Regulations, Title 28, Chapter VI, Part 600 such isn't mentioned.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2020 01:41 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
The President is not a private citizen.
snood
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2020 01:52 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

The President is not a private citizen.


He’s going to have to jump right on that if going to do it. He won’t have much time.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2020 01:54 pm
@snood,
It shouldn't take more than a few seconds.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2020 01:57 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
Ideally that staff will be kept busy defending themselves from relentless criminal investigations.

If Mr. Biden wins, Mr. Trump should appoint a range of independent prosecutors to hound him and his administration.


Lol! As a reminder:

Let me explain the difference between legal and illegal:

Obama Administration: Zero indictments, zero arrests, zero convictions
Trump Administration: 100 charges, 34 people, 14 jail sentences


Somehow I think Biden's Administration is going to be just fine...
snood
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2020 01:59 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

It shouldn't take more than a few seconds.


I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting on the investigations.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2020 02:13 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
Somehow I think Biden's Administration is going to be just fine...

Well first he has to win. I know that Democrats don't want to let the voters be heard, but let's count the votes anyway.

If he does win, it will be appropriate for Mr. Trump to appoint a swarm of independent prosecutors to hound him and his administration with criminal investigations.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2020 02:17 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

oralloy wrote:

It shouldn't take more than a few seconds.


I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting on the investigations.

You realize what putting people above the law does? It welcomes totalitarianism with open arms. You people think nothing through. Wreck and destroy is what you do and blame it on someone else. It will bite future generations in their ass and they will look back with contempt for the people who let this happen to this country.

You cannot have one ounce of love for this country. Something I am glad I do not have to live with.
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BillW
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2020 02:22 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:

Lol! As a reminder:

Let me explain the difference between legal and illegal:

Obama Administration: Zero indictments, zero arrests, zero convictions
Trump Administration: 100 charges, 34 people, 14 jail sentences


Somehow I think Biden's Administration is going to be just fine...

theRump will be spending too much time staying out of jail for years to worry about anything else!
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 4 Nov, 2020 02:28 pm
@BillW,
BillW wrote:
theRump will be spending too much time staying out of jail for years to worry about anything else!

There is a difference between an independent prosecutor and a personal defense attorney.

Outlawing the Democratic Party will put an end to their abuses of power to harm people who disagree with them.
 

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