Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

That's funny that pro socialists are trying to tell me what the Constitution says and it's purpose.


You claimed I was wrong, you have to prove me wrong. This is exactly why I made the claim you can't prove me wrong, because you can't, I'm correct and you have no backing except maybe Marx.

What's next, are you going to claim people have to prove their innocent instead of the govt having to prove they are guilty? You fools always turn the Constitution on it's head.

Don't call me names, clown. You are the one who has made a series of claims about the constitution, which you cannot demonstrate from the text of the document.

You are the one making me laugh, Clown. I have made factual claims about the Constitution, which you can't disprove with text from the document. That's why you aren't trying, you can't do it. I'm waiting for you to show me how I'm wrong about my claims on the Constitution and the rest of the Founding docs. Remember it isn't just the Constitution but also the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights. We know for a fact that the FF had just finished fighting against a strong centralized govt, what makes you think they were going to give massive amounts of power to another centralized govt? You don't understand the history of your own nation, and instead makes things up to push your unConstitutional agenda.

Am I wrong to point out that all laws must be balanced against the Constitution and it's Amendments? We are not a society where majority rules and we do not vote on federal issues. In case you missed it, we are not a direct democracy at the federal level, we only have that right at the local level. Very few laws are voted on at the state level, we have Reps for that level as well. How many states do you really think would pass the "National Popular Vote" if it was actually put to a vote by the people? I know for a fact that CO would vote against it.

Where does the constitution mention "mob rule?" Where does the word democracy appear in the constitution? Where does the word socialism appear in the constitution? The Declaration of Independence has absolutely no legal force in the United States. The word democracy does not appear anywhere in the Declaration of Independence, for that matter. Where in the constitution is there any mention of your alleged balance? There certainly is an amending formula, but there were no amendments to the constitution at the time it was ratified--hint, you can't amend what has not been adopted. Once again, the constitution does not mention democracy. It does guarantee that all states will have a republican form of government. That's small "r" republican, which in the 18th century, meant a government of laws rather than personalities.

If you're such a constitutional scholar, show where the word democracy appears in the constitution.

Don't you have majority decision at the polls?

I'd thought that US-citizens vote for their government officials. And that these officials represent the citizens' ideas and concerns in government (aka "representative democracy").

Don't confuse the boy, he's obviously badly confused already.

Only as long as those laws that are voted on don't violate the Constitution. If they violate the constitution, then they are eventually ruled on by the SCOTUS. The majority don't get their way just because they won the vote. A majority of the laws in the US are not voted on by the people directly. You might have this option at the city, county or state level but not the federal level. Some states like CO make it a more direct democracy by allowing citizen generated laws to be voted on at the state level, if they can get enough signatures. Although even with this option, a majority of the laws in CO are done by state Reps, city and county board of commissioners. The only thing in CO that must be done on a state level and can't be done by the Reps is voting on taxes and tax initiatives, we have TABOR-Taxpayers Bill of Rights. The politicians can't raise taxes anywhere in the state without the voters approval, this is the only direct control we have at the state level.


It's suppose to work that way in theory, but it doesn't always work out that way in practice. I will also point out that the term democracy isn't used in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. Representative Republic, Constitutional Republic are generally the most accurate to what our nation really is.

I'll point out that I think the politicians work for those who voted them into office, they have zero obligation to consider the wants of the opposing party and their voters.

The confusion seems to be yours. Still waiting for you to provide some proof that I'm wrong...

You will be waiting a long time.

I don't have to prove that. You have maundered on about socialism, communism, democracy, mob rule . . . show me where any of those are mentioned in the constitution. You're peddling bullsh*t, and too dishonest to admit it.

It is hilarious to school you on the constitution, and then see you parading your newly acquired knowledge as though you know what you're talking about. What a bullsh*t artist.

You haven't schooled anything, you are still stalling. That's why you haven't tried to explain how I'm wrong. In the mean time I'm having a decent discussion with Walter, why don't you go play with the school kids and let the adults talk.

Why haven't you shown how the constitution supports your claims? Quit stalling.

Nice try, just like all the other leftists on this site, you seem to think saying, your wrong, is enough to prove you are correct. It's weak and I have always expected better from you.

So let me get this straight, you can't prove me wrong and I made you look foolish so you post something from the way back machine with no context? Yeah, you are as weak as I thought you to be. When you can't prove something you distract with meaningless history.

Seriously - and you said it was a decent discussion - why don't you accept that democracy is, “Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives"?


"Republic, not a democracy" is false dichotomy.


The only direct democracy nowadays people know of are still to be found on federal, state and local level in Switzerland - but even under such circumstances, the Swiss still feel themselves to be part of the state, because of their rights of co-determination in direct democracy.


The American form of government has been called a “democracy” by leading American statesmen and legal commentators from the Framing on.

Although I'm one of all the other leftists on this site (well, actually there aren't many, most are centrists), I give you some pictures of the US political history, from books, I'm afraid, not coloured

Copied/pasted from The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States (1794)


Noah Webster in 1785 via google books. When you search there, you'll easily find more quotes, like St. George Tucker in his 1803 edition of Blackstone, Thomas Jefferson in 1815 ... ...

I will point out once again, that the burden of proof is on you, and you have not proven your claims. I brought up the vicious, racist remark you made years ago because you were climbing up on your high horse, trying to take the moral high ground. You don't have any right to that.

You have made claims about the constitution. You have not supported those claims. You are peddling bullsh*t.

Well said Set.

Thanks, Boss.