@Thomas,
Quote:Then imagine[ yourself in the role of the train, and the treadmill in the role of the rails.
Yes, I see your point here, but, c'mon, give it some context. It that what happens every day of our lives? Whenever we go, say, downtown, then the moment we make that decision, the earth 'suddenly" starts moving under us while we remain motionless, and then stops doing so once it brings "downtown" to us?
Quote: This puts you all back in relativity-land, where no physical experiment can tell the difference between you speeding forward past the spectators and the spectators speeding backwards past you.
Once again, you seem to be implying that the only way anyone can ever know anything is by conducting physical experiments in his own frame of reference. There are other sources of knowledge, don't you think? Such as, just for example:
1. I bought a ticket.
2. I got on the train
3. The train was motionless, but then it started moving
4. I KNEW it was moving, because I felt it.
5. I continued to feel it until the earth was moving at the rate of 60 mph relative to me.
6. I now see the fireman constantly inputing energy to maintain this speed.
7. I know that the law of inertia tells me that I do NOT suddenly quit moving, and become motionless, the second I quit accelerating.
8. If I had subsequently come to a stop, then I would have felt (de) acceleration when that happened.
9. Hmmm, it must be this train, rather than the earth, that is moving.
Or do you prefer the "brain in a vat," all this "could be an illusion" explanation for this type of phenomena?