How To Solve The Problem Of Terrorist Islam?

CHAPTER 1

1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Do you really think that the Crusades were started just to retake land? Oy, I suggest you read up on the Crusades. The Pope wanted to distract the attention on the internal struggles in the Church by beginning a war what in essence was, a war against Islam. It is not a question whether the retaking of the Holy Land was justified; it is of no importance. The Crusades were very bloody, beginning against a lot of European Jews who were meant as an "appetizer" for a lot of Crusaders, and later on it were a lot of Muslims in the Middle East who were killed by the Crusaders, women and children too, mosques rebuilded to churches and sacred sites abolished. There was nothing sacred about the Crusades; it is one of the darkest periods of Western civilization.

They were a justified attempt to RETAKE the land which Islam conquered. More specifically, they were a reaction to new Islamic conquests by the new Seljuq Turk rulers.
To put it bluntly, Emperor Alexis of the Byzantine Empire did not request help from the Pope and Europe until Islamic fanatics took over all of Anatolia (Turkey).
Islam had been invading and conquering for 500 years previous to this.
Apparently, Anatolia was Alexis's 9/11

There is a great international slaughter of innocents by Muslims, justified by the same religion they practiced 1,000 years ago, all over the world, in the name of Allah going on today, Now, as I write.

There is a great international slaughter of innocents by Muslims, justified by the same religion they practiced 1,000 years ago, all over the world, in the name of Allah going on today, Now, as I write.
It is disgusting and it needs to be crushed.

Moishe3rd wrote:

There is a great international slaughter of innocents by Muslims, justified by the same religion they practiced 1,000 years ago, all over the world, in the name of Allah going on today, Now, as I write.
It is disgusting and it needs to be crushed.

Hence my statement concerning a myriad of "Islams," if you like.

--Ibn

Ibn,

There is no use arguing with swolf. Her religion is hate. She does not know Christianity.

This whole prophet thing is pure hogwash.

Jesus called John the Baptist a prophet. (Matt 11)
It is clear from the writings of the Apostle Paul that there were prophets in the early church (1 Cor 12)

Swolf knows very little about either religion. She is dishonoring both.

Moishe3rd wrote:
There is a great international slaughter of innocents by Muslims, justified by the same religion they practiced 1,000 years ago, all over the world, in the name of Allah going on today, Now, as I write.
It is disgusting and it needs to be crushed.

Hence my statement concerning a myriad of "Islams," if you like.
--Ibn

I want this insane Islamic ideology to stop.
How?

The biggest thing which is needed is to get the United States out of the business of importing oil.

Yes, yes, yes.
Ibn,
You noted previously that we should inquire into the various "real" factors that create this fascist ideology within Islam.
I would beseech you to enlighten me.

I really am serious in trying to come to grips with the particular "myriad" that seeks the destruction and subjugation of "the House of War."

I suspect that, as a Muslim, you are less than happy with the course of world events.

So, I refer you to my original question.
How do we solve the problem of Terrorist Islam?

If Jews or even Americans were blowing up and murdering innocent men, women and children every day, whether they were fellow Jews or Americans or whether they were "the other," I would join the forces that were pledged to stop them by any means possible - because murder and destruction of innocents goes against everything that I know and believe, both as a Jew and as an American.

I want this insane Islamic ideology to stop.

How?

The real factor, I believe, behind what ye might call "terrorism" is something a little short of secular nationalism entangled with terse Marxist arguments reincarnated in "Islamic" revivalism. If you look very closely, you'll locate an impulse that abuts upon the same foundations of a Marxist critique. After the Six Day wars, the Arabs were embarrassingly defeated and muddled on what to do with Israel. So, instead of arguing for a "secular" state, they transferred all the arguments to religion. Secular nationalism became "Islamic" nationalism (Islamic state), Marxist criticism became religious criticism of America's capitalism, and such qualified the effete belief of "ends justifies the means" to implement such a state. Mix all that together with a dose of victimhood and what do you get?
The Myriad is obvious. Muslims in Palestine argue for something entirely differently from what, say, a Kashmiri Muslim might argue for. Not to mention, the various interpretations and manipulations of Jihad and so on. Historically Muslims had different conceptions of Jihad at different times. For example, during the Crusades the Muslims in Syria made it compulsive to wage war against the non-Muslims--while the Muslims in Baghdad and Medina felt war was optional.
Today's events strike a terrible hole within my heart. It just stymies efforts to engage in dialogue with non-Muslims all the more difficult. If anything, the terrorists have made Islam an embarrassment rather than a unique faith---I hope to finish up a paper on this point in the near future.
The solution is easy to explain but ardorous to implement. The solution, in my opinion, is education by two ways. First, we (and I mean Muslims) must educate the Muslims world to a more objective way of thinking. Too many a Muslim are spoon-fed victimological studies. (If it weren't for those Americans and Zionists we'd be a great race once more!) Sadly, such a fever causes Muslims to be bitter and exclusive. It's this "victimology" that is the impulse why so many Arabs hate Jews.
My second solution is an end to authority-worship. A quantity of Muslims zealously follow behind some authoritive figure and assume that "his" way of going about Islam is "perfect" and unquestionable. If these "authoritive" figures are the base for education, then---it's not at all difficult to see the root of resentment.
These points might be hard to implement and might lead to some Muslim intellectuals to be branded "kufar" or "western apologists," but I believe it's the base for change. After all, no one said the Sirat Mustaqeem ("Right Path") was going to be short and sweet. And no one said there would be an alternative to such a lengthy walk, either.

Friday, June 7, 2003

Israel - A State Of Mind

By: Tashbih Sayyed
If one has to look for one basic, elementary cause of terrorism engulfing civilization today; it is religious absolutism. Religious absolutism results from a belief that a particular faith represents the absolute truth and therefore must be accepted by everyone else without question. Such an absolutist ideology encourages bigotry of the highest order and promotes extreme hatred of other faiths.
Since true intellectual enlightenment respects diversity and rejects bigotry, religious absolutists, as a matter of faith, tend to be anti-intellectual. That's why all absolutists are, by nature, fundamentalist and obscurantist. They preach literalist philosophies and demonstrate an intrinsic repulsion for modernity. They abhor open societies and work to destroy any system that promotes tolerance and advances the cause of democracy.

Nazism, Communism, Japanese imperialism etc. all claimed to have possessed the absolute truth and tried to impose it on others, causing a great amount of human suffering in the process. Fortunately, none of these philosophies enjoyed the backing of any church and therefore lacked religious legitimacy, making it relatively easy for the civilized world to eventually defeat them.

Radical Islam or Islamism, driven by extremist and an obscurantist interpretation of Islam, is the current face of this evil. Because it has very cleverly managed to hijack Islam, a faith of more than 1.2 billion people, its sway is absolute. Most Muslim societies have fallen under its influence and, as a consequence, have become the breeding ground of terrorism. Events of the recent past have reconfirmed, beyond any doubt, its destructive potential.

Being a totalitarian ideology, radical Islam demands absolute submission. And since it knows that enlightened and informed souls do not make obedient slaves, it is committed to keep Muslims backward and uninformed. Radical Islam, like any other totalitarian ideology that thrives on lies, manipulated Holy Scriptures, fabricated traditions of the Prophet and literalism, and cannot allow its prey to be exposed to an open intellectual environment. That's why it enforces strict censor and does not allow unconditional pursuit of knowledge. This is the only way it can keep the masses in the dark and in its control.

In an Islamist controlled society, debate is forbidden, difference of opinion and dissension is considered a perversion, and modern education a threat. Individual reasoning is forbidden. And expression of doubt about any aspect of the "religiously mandated" social, cultural and political sociology is barred as blasphemy.

Anyone attempting to challenge the status quo is instantly declared an apostate. An Islamist mind is a possessed mind - a condition that compels him or her to live to destroy others. An Islamist does not believe in living side by side with anyone who does not conform to his or her ideology. His life is a constant Jihad (holy war) to overwhelm and eradicate infidels.

No one is more threatened by radical Islam than the Muslims themselves. That's why some of us who have somehow escaped the Islamist control and influence have taken upon ourselves to expose the scourge and by doing so exterminate it. As a Muslim, it is my experience and observation that radical Islam can only be defeated by providing Muslims a basis of comparison - by informing them of the truth about the others. In an Islamist controlled society, Muslims see Jews, Christians and Hindus through a cleric's lens.

Whatever image of the others has been created by a dogmatic and obscurantist clergy has been accepted by the Muslim masses as truth. Nobody is permitted to challenge this one sided propaganda. The result has been that this state of affairs has deprived the Muslim street of the ability to make an impartial and rational judgment.

No Muslim living in this darkness is aware of the light outside. Only a Muslim can change it. Only a Muslim can remove the darkness of hatred.

For starters, we can begin by letting Muslims know the true nature of other faiths, especially of those faiths that have a tradition of democracy, debate and openness. I have no doubt that if an honest picture of others is shown to Muslims, they will certainly reject the images created by radical Islam.

Muslims need to be told what kind of evil; the ideologies based on evil concepts of "final truths" are capable of. They must know about the Holocaust. Muslims can learn a great deal by studying the struggles of the Jewish people. True reasons why the Jews have always been persecuted by others must be brought home to the Muslims. The truth will liberate them.

Jews, throughout their history, have been the symbol of intellectual freedom and have therefore represented the highest level of openness. Their love for knowledge, their penchant for debate, their urge to learn by questioning, and their refusal to submit to any dogma has always posed a challenge to the establishment that depends on the blind following of the masses. The Jews' thirst for truth has always threatened the status quo.

Absolutist fundamentalists do not like the status quo to be disturbed.
To prevent the Jewish state of mind from disturbing the status quo, absolutists have always looked for ways to keep the Jews confined in physical ghettos. But physical ghettos could not prevent the Jews from pursuing the path of truth. Nobody could succeed in confining them in intellectual ghettos. Jews, despite there political poverty and social helplessness, have continued to demonstrate the power of openness by excelling in intellectual fields. Despite their relatively small numbers, they always remained an overpowering influence on thoughts and ideas. And for a dogmatic state of mind, nothing can be more dangerous than a free mind.

All throughout their history, Jews have been forced to struggle to preserve their identity and traditions. They have always found their lives and properties in jeopardy; at the mercy of a jealous and envious establishment. Expulsions, inquisitions, gas chambers, and holocausts have always remained just around the corner, confirming that the absolutist and fundamentalist state of mind cannot tolerate a free mind to exist. Anti-Semitism symbolizes this complex.

Christian Europe was fortunate to have lived through the throes of reformation, counter-reformation and various movements that ushered in enlightenment and made the French Revolution possible. This experience allowed Europe to see the benefits of democracy, pluralism and tolerance. Acceptance of democratic values made it possible for the feuding states of Europe to make their mark as prosperous and developed nations. The surge of Nazism underlined the need of permanent vigilance against absolutist minds, and the defeat of Adolf Hitler's war machine reconfirmed that minds once freed of absolutism will never allow Fascism to enslave them again.

Muslims, on the other hand, were not so fortunate. They did not feel the necessity of any reformation. They were living in their own fool's paradise. And there were reasons for Muslim lethargy.

Up until 1798, when Napoleon Bonaparte invaded and conquered Egypt, Muslims never felt a need for self-evaluation and self critique. The very fact that they remained in control of much of the world as rulers from 622 A.D., when Prophet founded the first Islamic state of Medinah, gave them a sense of superiority.

But absolute power corrupted them absolutely. They became victims of the worst kind of ethnocentrism that took away their ability to respect others and learn from them. Seemingly unending successes and worldly conquests contributed in perpetuating the belief that their faith represents an absolute truth and is destined to run the affairs of the world for ever. They truly believed that all other faiths and peoples are dhimmis (second class citizens).

Even the fall of their Khilafah, the Ottoman Empire in 1924, could not prompt Muslims to look for any faults and weaknesses in themselves. The Islamists, once again, succeeded in convincing the masses that their fall had been caused by a Judeo-Christian conspiracy. Exploiting the universal Muslim sense of loss at the demise of Ottoman Empire, Radical Islam went on to build its own campaign of terror. There was no one to challenge them.

Corrupt and undeserving Muslim rulers supported the evolution of radical Islam for their own selfish reasons: it could keep the masses distracted and prevent them from noticing their ruler's corruptions. In order to ensure that radical Islam remains in control of the Muslim heart and mind, the Islamist state joined hands with the dogmatic mosques that preached the most rigid and the most exclusivist interpretations of Islam - Deobandi, Salafis and Wahhabis.

Saudi Petro-Dollars helped this un-holy alliance to gain legitimacy and hijack mainstream Islam. It took a while before the civilized world realized the threat this posed. Based on the theory that the world is divided into two major realms, the dar ul Islam (House of peace), consisting of Muslims only, and the Dar ul Harb (House of war), consisting of infidels, the Islamist state sought/seeks to control the world by overwhelming all open societies.

Radical Islamists are aware that they cannot succeed without destroying the United States of America and the State of Israel, as both symbolize open, pluralistic and democratic values. The American and Israeli passion for spreading freedoms poses a direct threat to Islamist designs. While Israel's presence right in the heart of an Islamist controlled region gives hope to freedom-loving Muslims, it scares the extremists. Islamists fear?-rightly so?-that either directly or indirectly Israel will export democratic values to its immediate neighborhood, jeopardizing radical Islam's sway.

All democratic and freedom-loving peoples also need the Muslim world to be educated and informed. Education opens a mind. And an open mind is always an enemy of extremism. The world has counted on education and openness to correct Muslim perceptions about non-Muslim civilizations and to provide a basis for stability in the region and peace in the world. Once educated and informed, as this thinking goes, the Muslims could surely overcome their age old prejudices and biases against "infidels."

Knowing that an educated and informed Muslim street will not allow it to control its collective heart and mind, radical Islam is always on guard to find a way to defeat any plan that is aimed at educating Muslim masses. As a first step in this direction, Islamists have launched a smear campaign against Judeo-Christian values and civilization.

Radical Islam's job has been made easier by misinterpretations of the Holy Scriptures that condemn Jews and encourage violence against "infidels."

Thousands of fables demonizing Jews and Christians that have been passed down as the Prophet's Sayings and Traditions, are also being used to legitimize the fundamentalist terror. These manipulated Holy Scriptures and fabricated traditions help radical Islam in laying the responsibility for Muslim defeats, setbacks and downfall at the door steps of Judeo-Christian powers.

According to radical Islam, the Western concept of democracy is un-Islamic. Man, in the eyes of the Islamists, does not have the authority to legislate; it is solely God's right.

The concept of the nation-state is condemned as a Judeo-Christian conspiracy aiming to divide the Muslim Ummah (faith-based Muslim nationhood). Radical Islamists realize that their spin and mesmerism will only work so long as the Muslim street is not exposed to the truth - as contained in modern and scientific knowledge and the principles determining the directions of open societies. In order to prevent the Muslim masses from gaining such insight, they have made certain that modern education does not reach the grass roots level. They have succeeded in achieving this by labeling all modern education as un-Islamic.

Consequently, the Muslim world is plunged into an abyss of darkness, anti-modernity, anti-Americanism and anti-Semitism.

I am convinced that the only way to save the Muslims from being permanently consigned to the dustbin of history is to destroy the basis of anti-Semitism from the Muslim traditions and liturgy. And this can only be done by exposing the Islamist agenda. Muslims have to be informed of the real reasons of anti-Semitism by creating an alternative source of information and education from within the Muslim community. Only a Muslim challenge to the dark ideology of Islamism can undo the damage done to the Muslim mind.

Since only Jews represent over five thousand years of human pursuit of knowledge, struggle to prevail over bigotry and absolutism, and perseverance against a perpetual desire on the part of evil forces to destroy them, their history?-if presented in an honest fashion to the Muslims?-can go a long way in destroying anti-Semitism. Therefore it is vital that Israel is supported, defended and protected by all those who want the Muslims to progress as civilized people.

I consider the rebirth of the Jewish State to be a blessing for the Muslims. Israel has provided the opportunity to show the world the results of the Jewish state of mind in action...a mind that yearns to be free, and a mind that longs to see that all humanity enjoys life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

If the American civic faith has given the world a hope to be able to live with dignity, self respect and honor in peace, the Jewish traditions and culture of pluralism, debate, acceptance of dissension and difference of opinion have manifested themselves in the shape of the state of Israel to present the oppressed Muslim world with a paradigm to emulate. And if we want this world to be free of any kind of terror, we will have to defend this state of mind, whether it is seen in the shape of Israel or in the form of the United States of America.

(The writer is editor-in-chief of Muslim World Today and Pakistan Today, California-based weekly newspapers, president of Council for Democracy and Tolerance and adjunct fellow of Hudson Institute.)

Don't worry about all of the ranting and raving you received from your post. OL

Craven,
Admittedly, Lusatian contributed nothing to my question, but you pointedly contributed less than nothing.

Craven,
Admittedly, Lusatian contributed nothing to my question, but you pointedly contributed less than nothing.
As you are a critic of the idea that Islamic Fascsism is an evil that is necessary to defeat or at least deal with,...

It seems like you're arguing for something like this:
We make Iraq the 51st state in the U.S. And make all the rest of the Mid-East countries additional U.S. states. Tax their oil money heavily. Use the oil money to build prisons and hire tons of anti-terrorist military/mercenary/police and sweep everything up. Put them all under U. S. law. Kill anyone that looks slightly like they might be terrorist. Throw the rest of them in prison for life. Outlaw Islam religion.
Heck, why not just take over every country that has resources and make it a part of USA. Make them all Americans!
Is that your solution?

Imagine this dude who posts with a picture of the Iraq flag, and he asks: "How to deal with the problem of the Imperialist America, (or Terrorist Israel).?"
There are some who think with our current actions, we are actually creating MORE terrorists. For generations and generations to come.

They've been at war in Israel off & on for over 2,000 years. We just happened to get into this mess now. They've been at it for 2,000 years. And we're going to solve it in 6 months or something, because we're USA