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Will Republicans take the Senate in the election?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2014 07:57 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Case study at Google.
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Google is right: We work better when we’re happy

University of Warwick rightOriginal Study

Posted by Kelly Parkes-Harrison-Warwick on March 21, 2014

New research confirms what Google already knows—greater employee happiness results in higher productivity without sacrificing quality.

Economists carried out a number of experiments to test the idea that happy employees work harder. In the laboratory, they found happiness made people about 12 percent more productive.
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Andrew Oswald, Eugenio Proto, and Daniel Sgroi from the Department of Economics at the University of Warwick led the research.

The findings, to be published in the Journal of Labor Economics, included four different experiments with more than 700 participants.

During the experiments a number of the participants were either shown a comedy movie clip or treated to free chocolate, drinks, and fruit. Others were questioned about recent family tragedies, such as bereavements, to assess whether lower levels of happiness were later associated with lower levels of productivity.

“Companies like Google have invested more in employee support and employee satisfaction has risen as a result. For Google, it rose by 37 percent; they know what they are talking about. Under scientifically controlled conditions, making workers happier really pays off,” says Oswald
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2014 08:31 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I was amused by your first sentence,
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A good investment is one with good prospects for future profits.


I'm sure all venture capitalists do due deligence before they put up their money for any new company and their product.


I give up. You just babble on, changing the focus of the conversation anytime it gets close to exposing one of your many contradictions or non sequitors.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2014 11:07 pm
@georgeob1,
Please cut and paste from any of my post that shows,
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contradictions or non sequitors.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 11:20 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

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Who will produce the goods and services required to attain it f0r everyone?


The people and machines that produce it now. I'm not saying everyone should sit around and do nothing, am I?


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What forces will you permit to induce them to produce the quantity required?


The same "forces" we use now. A desire for even more comfort is high on the list. I am not advocating communism...or "everyone has the same", George.


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How will you persuade/compel those who won't cooperate?


Who won't cooperate with what....having a comfortable life????


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How will you achieve the distribution of goods and services you desire without disrupting their production?


By changing from the inefficient system of distribution we have now...to one that will allow a fairer, more expansive distribution.

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Answer those questiuons and you might merit being taken seriously.


Well...I've answered them. Are you taking me more seriously?


I think you answered many of them, but left a few likely interactions among them unaddressed. In particular I believe your answer to the distribution of goods and services question was vague in the extreme. How will you "change from the inefficient system of distribution we have now...to one that will allow a fairer, more expansive distribution" ? The system of distribution is linked to the distribution of wealth, and that, in turn, is influenced by the different behaviors of individual people. How do you change all that in a free society and remain free? How do you redistribute and improve efficiency at the same time?? The world is eagerly awaiting your solutions to these problems.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 11:30 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

I think you answered many of them, but left a few likely interactions among them unaddressed. In particular I believe your answer to the distribution of goods and services question was vague in the extreme. How will you "change from the inefficient system of distribution we have now...to one that will allow a fairer, more expansive distribution" ?


I will not do it.

The collective nation, if it has any sense, will elect people who will be able to make the necessary changes.

I don't expect anything soon...but if the catastrophe now in the making continues down the path it is on...the change will come. Unfortunately, it will probably come more like the French or Russian revolutions...but it will come.


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The system of distribution is linked to the distribution of wealth, and that, in turn, is influenced by the different behaviors of individual people.


Not sure what that means...or if it is true...but changing the methods of distribution to a more equitable dynamic...is going to require thinking WAY OUTSIDE THE BOX.

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How do you change all that in a free society and remain free?


You influence the society to get to the point where the people who want the change...become the majority...and impose it. That is a part of a "free society" right?


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How do you redistribute and improve efficiency at the same time??


That is a piece of cake...and the easiest part of this thing. I'll post a link to a series of articles dealing with exactly that...if you have time for them.

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The world is eagerly awaiting your solutions to these problems.


I doubt that...and it is okay with me.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 03:27 pm
@Frank Apisa,
You are, in effect postulating that there is an (achievable by democratic process) "system" out there that can achieve, through increased efficiency, a "more equitable" distribution of goods and services, doing so without a negative impact on productivity or average wealth. That's a tall order, and I see a very strong likelihood that no such system exists. (even in the highly unlikely case that you could ever get general agreement on just what "more equitable" really means.)

The first step in mathematics, when investigating a new complex process (generally represented by a non-linear differential equation), is to determine whether a solution satisfying the initial and boundary conditions, even exists. In most cases it doesn't, particularly in the case of optimization problems such as this one.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 03:44 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

You are, in effect postulating that there is an (achievable by democratic process) "system"...


Wow...if I gave you that idea I must be slipping. (Ahhh, I re-read what I wrote...and there is no way you could reasonably come to the conclusion you made here. Take a look at what I said earlier...you'll see what I mean.)

In fact, I think it extremely unlikely we can do it via a democratic process...unless revolution comes under the mantle of "democratic process." (I could argue either way on that...and I suspect you could too, George.)



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...out there that can achieve, through increased efficiency, a "more equitable" distribution of goods and services, doing so without a negative impact on productivity or average wealth. That's a tall order, and I see a very strong likelihood that no such system exists. (even in the highly unlikely case that you could ever get general agreement on just what "more equitable" really means.)


Well...I think if we did away with the process now in place and replace it with something aimed at greater, more equitable distribution of product (read that "wealth" if you must)...we could get the job done just fine.


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The first step in mathematics, when investigating a new complex process (generally represented by a non-linear differential equation), is to determine whether a solution satisfying the initial and boundary conditions, even exists. In most cases it doesn't, particularly in the case of optimization problems such as this one.


The first step in thinking outside the box, George, is to actually get outside the box. That is more important, in my humble opinion, than the first step in mathematics.


Here is a thread that gives just a taste of what I have in mind. Lots more to it. I can link you to a half dozen more involved essays on this issue if you have the time to read them.

http://able2know.org/topic/192572-1
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 04:00 pm
@georgeob1,
Rather than giving me a thumb's down (childish), why don't you answer my question?

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Thu 6 Nov, 2014 02:07 am
@georgeob1,
I wrote, Please cut and paste from any of my post that shows, contradictions or non sequitors.
Your words.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 04:28 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Rather than accusing me of things I haven't done, why don't you think before you do stupid things. I've never done a thumbs up or down, and don't even look at the damn things. It must have been another admirer of yours.

The task you asked me to do missed the point. I referred to contradictions BETWEEN your various statements and all-too-convenient changes of subject, not WITHIN individual statements. Hard to do that with cut and paste - and not worth the trouble.

It's "Ready, Aim, Fire" not "Ready, Fire, Aim".
georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 04:58 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

georgeob1 wrote:

You are, in effect postulating that there is an (achievable by democratic process) "system"...


Wow...if I gave you that idea I must be slipping. (Ahhh, I re-read what I wrote...and there is no way you could reasonably come to the conclusion you made here. Take a look at what I said earlier...you'll see what I mean.)

In fact, I think it extremely unlikely we can do it via a democratic process...unless revolution comes under the mantle of "democratic process." (I could argue either way on that...and I suspect you could too, George.)



Quote:
...out there that can achieve, through increased efficiency, a "more equitable" distribution of goods and services, doing so without a negative impact on productivity or average wealth. That's a tall order, and I see a very strong likelihood that no such system exists. (even in the highly unlikely case that you could ever get general agreement on just what "more equitable" really means.)


Well...I think if we did away with the process now in place and replace it with something aimed at greater, more equitable distribution of product (read that "wealth" if you must)...we could get the job done just fine.


Quote:

The first step in mathematics, when investigating a new complex process (generally represented by a non-linear differential equation), is to determine whether a solution satisfying the initial and boundary conditions, even exists. In most cases it doesn't, particularly in the case of optimization problems such as this one.


The first step in thinking outside the box, George, is to actually get outside the box. That is more important, in my humble opinion, than the first step in mathematics.


Here is a thread that gives just a taste of what I have in mind. Lots more to it. I can link you to a half dozen more involved essays on this issue if you have the time to read them.

http://able2know.org/topic/192572-1



Well, then I'll give you that one. I didn't realize you had a revolution and the destruction of our political system in mind. Your nirvanah may well be achievable with sufficient central authority to enforce its edicts. Persuading a cantankerous humanity to go along with the program in such a system can be difficult. Lenin called his method for dealing with this , "the elimination of the irreconcilables" - this took the lives of about 20 million Russians and Ukranians during Soviet times. A generation later the socialist paradise wound down a bit, finding itself adept at producing goods no one wanted and dealing with a universal cynacism that Russia has yet to recover from. "We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us" was the expression in the final years. Good luck - I wouldn't choose to live in your paradise.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 05:44 pm
@georgeob1,
Okay, I apologize for what you 'didn't do.'

Of coarse it's not worth the trouble, because you'll look until hell freezes over! What makes your opinion even more interesting is that you must have had at least one example of what your charge when you posted that gem.

LOL

Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 06:02 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

georgeob1 wrote:

You are, in effect postulating that there is an (achievable by democratic process) "system"...


Wow...if I gave you that idea I must be slipping. (Ahhh, I re-read what I wrote...and there is no way you could reasonably come to the conclusion you made here. Take a look at what I said earlier...you'll see what I mean.)

In fact, I think it extremely unlikely we can do it via a democratic process...unless revolution comes under the mantle of "democratic process." (I could argue either way on that...and I suspect you could too, George.)



Quote:
...out there that can achieve, through increased efficiency, a "more equitable" distribution of goods and services, doing so without a negative impact on productivity or average wealth. That's a tall order, and I see a very strong likelihood that no such system exists. (even in the highly unlikely case that you could ever get general agreement on just what "more equitable" really means.)


Well...I think if we did away with the process now in place and replace it with something aimed at greater, more equitable distribution of product (read that "wealth" if you must)...we could get the job done just fine.


Quote:

The first step in mathematics, when investigating a new complex process (generally represented by a non-linear differential equation), is to determine whether a solution satisfying the initial and boundary conditions, even exists. In most cases it doesn't, particularly in the case of optimization problems such as this one.


The first step in thinking outside the box, George, is to actually get outside the box. That is more important, in my humble opinion, than the first step in mathematics.


Here is a thread that gives just a taste of what I have in mind. Lots more to it. I can link you to a half dozen more involved essays on this issue if you have the time to read them.

http://able2know.org/topic/192572-1



Well, then I'll give you that one. I didn't realize you had a revolution and the destruction of our political system in mind. Your nirvanah may well be achievable with sufficient central authority to enforce its edicts. Persuading a cantankerous humanity to go along with the program in such a system can be difficult. Lenin called his method for dealing with this , "the elimination of the irreconcilables" - this took the lives of about 20 million Russians and Ukranians during Soviet times. A generation later the socialist paradise wound down a bit, finding itself adept at producing goods no one wanted and dealing with a universal cynacism that Russia has yet to recover from. "We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us" was the expression in the final years. Good luck - I wouldn't choose to live in your paradise.


You might not be invited, George. Or you might not be given a choice.

And it may never come to pass. We may stick with this system...and run ourselves into the ground.

But Louis XVI of France thought there would be no change...and so did Nicholas II of Russia.

As Gomer might say, "Surprise, surprise!"

We'll see.

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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 06:07 pm
@cicerone imposter,
No problem. I did indeed have a couple of examples in mind, but I simply don't like to play the "gotcha" games that go on (too often in my view) here.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 06:34 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
You are, in effect postulating that there is an (achievable by democratic process) "system" out there that can achieve, through increased efficiency, a "more equitable" distribution of goods and services, doing so without a negative impact on productivity or average wealth. That's a tall order, and I see a very strong likelihood that no such system exists. (even in the highly unlikely case that you could ever get general agreement on just what "more equitable" really means.)

I think equity is like most thing: there's an optimum somewhere. Too much equity leads to nobody working much, but too little of it leads to economic crisis, tepid growth, mass poverty and ultimately revolution.

PS: or should I say 'equality' rather than 'equity'? Equity in my view is best understood as establishing a leveled playing field. Or is that semantic?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 07:28 pm
@Olivier5,
Equality works; equity will never work.
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Kolyo
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2014 02:48 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Some people with myopia may suffer that sort of view of the rich


Okay, cicerone, I think I owe you both an apology and a clarification. I don't believe "the rich" have any more of an acute need to look down on people than middle-class Americans have. If anything, contempt for the unemployed -- and the desire to see the unemployed suffer -- is probably strongest among the second lowest income quintile. The reason for that is that the lowest quintile has almost everything the second lowest quintile has in terms of quality of life without having to work for it, and that's where the second lowest quintile's resentment comes from.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2014 02:52 am
@Kolyo,
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The reason for that is that the lowest quintile has almost everything the second lowest quintile has in terms of quality of life without having to work for it, and that's where the second lowest quintile's resentment comes from.


BINGO! And the D's cant get it through their heads why offering more candy paid for on the kids credit card does not work so good to get them votes. This is part of the reason why it does not work, a great part of the benefit goes to those who dont pull their weight around here . The D's mock the R's for no matter what the problem is calling for the same solution, tax cuts, but the D's are no better. The current example of this is ObamaCare. Pretty pricey candy that will soon be costing our kids nearly $200 billion a year plus interest, and yet the D's got zero credit for handing it out. Both D's and R's have seriously failed to keep their finger on the pulse of America. Corruption is only part of why our political system is broken, incompetence is a huge part of the problem.
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Kolyo
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2014 03:11 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

The majority of the people who Frank bemoans as "uncomfortable" have cell phones, big screen color tvs, autos, and internet service.


People living off disability don't have all those things. Someone close to me has two of the four -- internet and a cell phone -- and it's a damn good thing, because he couldn't give potential employers a callback number without a phone, and he can only communicate with his VR counsellor through email.

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Frank's premise requires us to accept that a "comfortable life" is the minimum requirement for any and all Americans, including drug addicts, criminals, lazy bums or anyone who has done nothing to better themselves and everything to take advantage of the rest of us.


The mentally ill don't know how to better themselves. All they see are hostile, dangerous people complaining about them and trying to take away their homes and their food.
revelette2
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2014 11:10 am
@Kolyo,
Lately, just for the fun of it, and because on this site I can, I have been reversing the thumbs up and down feature multiple times. Needless to say, I gave yours several thumbs up. It is kind of a inane feature anyway so it is fun to mess with it.

Anyway, just reading from some conservative posters lack of compassion or even empathy is just puzzling. It makes you wonder if they possibly be that way when they actually encounter unfortunate people in real life. Somehow I doubt it.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2014 11:12 am
@revelette2,
Good question; whether they treat the unfortunate people in person crudely is an interesting subject.

 

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