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1 in 5 women get raped?

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2015 12:25 am
@hawkeye10,
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If the evidence for a charge is not there then I am not interested in hearing any more about it till either new evidence turns up or a new accusation is made...

There was evidence for the charge, although Harding felt it didn't reach the necessary preponderance of evidence to find Winston responsible. Since Harding found both Winston and his accuser equally credible, the evidence was 50/50 for each side, and he simply could not reach a definitive decision which would actually clear Winston's name. That helped Winston avoid possible punishment, had he been found responsible, but it did little to dispel the cloud of suspicion over his head--and that cloud is likely to continue to follow him.

You are trying to apply the standards of a criminal trial to a situation that was treated as a civil matter. It is extremely significant that Harding found the accuser in this case equally credible--she was, therefore, just as likely as Winston to be telling the truth about what transpired between them, and she testified and he didn't. The two other football players who were in the apartment that night also refused to testify. But the fact that Harding found her equally credible, is what provides the momentum for the continuing doubts about Winston's "innocence"--this isn't the "stink of accusation"--her accusations were found to be as credible as his defense--the burden of proof wound up at 50/50.

The accuser has until January 13th to appeal Harding's decision.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2015 01:00 am
@firefly,
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There was evidence for the charge, although Harding felt it didn't reach the necessary preponderance of evidence to find Winston responsible

Did not make it to 51% chance of guilty, much less beyond a reasonable doubt. Under DA ethics standards no charge from the state can be submitted. No evidence for a charge is not no evidence of guilt.

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The accuser has until January 13th to appeal Harding's decision.

That would be great, this guy has already gone two rounds being proclaimed not guilty, lets make it three...or 100, how ever long it takes to get the results that the feminists demand irrespective of the Constitution and evidence. Pretty much makes a hash of your argument that feminist written sex law is not out to get guys for the crime of being guys.
nononono
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2015 04:32 am
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2015 05:04 am
@hawkeye10,
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That would be great, this guy has already gone two rounds being proclaimed not guilty, lets make it three...or 100, how ever long it takes to get the results that the feminists demand irrespective of the Constitution and evidence


It is an Alice in wonderland parallel "legal" system indeed where even the greatly reduce standard for a finding of guilt and little to no due process rights is not good enough for the likes of Firefly.

Now the accuser is to be given the right to appeal a not guilty verdict!!!!!!!!!
nononono
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2015 05:51 am
The idea of "teaching men not to rape", as feminists like to put it relies on the idea that normal men actually WANT to rape other people. That most men have an innate desire to rape. And that's just not how 99% of men function mentally. Rape is both against the law and decried by society at large. And rape as a crime has been on a decline for around 30 years.

People like firefly, who feel that they are serving some social justice by hammering away the message that "rape is wrong" over and over are just pissing in the wind. Duh, rape is wrong. No one is condoning rape other than the extremely tiny percentage of people (both male AND female) who actually are rapists.

People like firefly, I'm sorry FEMINISTS like firefly who think that they can control OTHER people's actions are delusional. The only person that anyone has control over is themself.

Rape is no more prevalent an occurrence than something such as people being attacked by sharks. And rape certainly is not a more serious crime than murder.

As individual beings, one only has control over their own actions. Women can either buy into phony baloney rape hysteria, or they can take personal responsibility for their own choices and actions.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2015 06:59 am
@nononono,
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People like firefly, who feel that they are serving some social justice by hammering away the message that "rape is wrong" over and over are just pissing in the wind. Duh, rape is wrong. No one is condoning rape other than the extremely tiny percentage of people (both male AND female) who actually are rapists.

On the other hand ravishing a woman, for instance throwing her against a wall, pulling down her panties, and taking what we want.....is very very right. Many men and even more women want this, need this. "No means no"consent parameters can be made to work to allow couples to play with power in this way, but "only yes means yes" does not....the taking of the female by the male is the entire point of the game. I certainly dont believe in taking a woman sexually who does not want to be taken, I dont condone rape, but I have no interest in the feminist demand that I ask permission to throw my woman against the wall before I lay a hand on her.

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People like firefly, I'm sorry FEMINISTS like firefly who think that they can control OTHER people's actions are delusional. The only person that anyone has control over is themself.
I think feminsts know that they cant control other peoples erotic passions, that when it comes to sex people are going to do what they want to do, but if they can make the escapade into an illegal act that men are responsible for and women can turn the men into the state for punishment at any time then women will always have the upper hand in their relationships. The feminists are ok with this outcome.

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Rape is no more prevalent an occurrence than something such as people being attacked by sharks.
Rape, real rape, happens more than that.

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rape certainly is not a more serious crime than murder.
Ya, but you have admire how the feminists have spread this poppycock that a woman who is raped is as good as dead, that her life is over. They should be selling used cars.

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Women can either buy into phony baloney rape hysteria, or they can take personal responsibility for their own choices and actions.
Pick your woman wisely. you want one that you can trust not to do backsies after telling her man " take me, use me, make me your sex toy"
nononono
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2015 07:23 am
@hawkeye10,
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Rape is no more prevalent an occurrence than something such as people being attacked by sharks.
Rape, real rape, happens more than that.


Yep, you're probably right. I just picked that example off the top of my head at random (just got home from the pub). But even if rape occurs more frequently than shark attacks, it's still a rare occurrence.

By the way, happy 2015!

I've been out of the country believe it or not. Hoping to catch up on A2Kness readings tomorrow sometime.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2015 07:47 am
@BillRM,
Everyone has the right to appeal. Why do you think there are appeals courts, dummy?
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2015 07:50 am
@nononono,
If you have no desire to rape, are not a potential rapist, what's your ******* problem, bro (and I use that term lightly).

If you were on the track unknowingly, wouldn't you want to know how to avoid a felony?
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2015 07:53 am
@hawkeye10,
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On the other hand ravishing a woman, for instance throwing her against a wall, pulling down her panties, and taking what we want.....is very very right. Many men and even more women want this, need this. "No means no"consent parameters can be made to work to allow couples to play with power in this way, but "only yes means yes" does not....the taking of the female by the male is the entire point of the game. I certainly dont believe in taking a woman sexually who does not want to be taken, I dont condone rape, but I have no interest in the feminist demand that I ask permission to throw my woman against the wall before I lay a hand on her.


You sick, sick ****. You have MAJOR rape fantasies. You're no socialist. Sociopathic solipsist with major, major hostility towards women, yes.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2015 08:15 am
The babies are really bawling today. Poor pathetic Mememeeee, can't get a girlfriend, sad little Hawkeye's dad used to like a drink, and BillRM, well something turned him into some sort of semiliterate, slobbering chimp.

Why can't everyone else see who the real victims are? Who cares about women being brutally raped when Hawkeye's lost his teddy?

All three of the weasels are an embarrassment to men everywhere.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2015 01:13 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
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You sick, sick ****. You have MAJOR rape fantasies. You're no socialist. Sociopathic solipsist with major, major hostility towards women, yes.

No more sick than people who jump out of Airplanes only for the thrill, but if it is not hurting you then it is none of your business. I get bored with vanilla, I like a large scoop of power with my sex, sue me.

I contend that yours, the feminist and the states consent concerns are satisfied when my wife says such things as " sometime I want you to come to the living room where I am, grab me by my hair and drag me back to the bedroom, and use me. AND DONT ASK ME, just make me do it. And if I dont service you well then whip me".

My wife gets as bored with nice as I do. How are you harmed by us making each other happy?

Firefly goes back and forth BTW, some days nobody cares what we do, other days I should be fitted for a jail cell and my wife should be forced to see doctors,
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2015 01:52 pm
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye I guess all the women who also have major rape fantasies are also are sick **** by the lights of bobsal.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2015 01:53 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Hawkeye I guess all the women who know what they want and it is not what the feminists want them to want are also are sick **** by the lights of bobsal.


Change the words slightly and it becomes clear how abusive the "progressives" have become. That is why I had to leave, why I no longer identify as liberal. The Conservatives have fatal flaws as well so I am now non aligned.
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firefly
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2015 03:42 pm
@hawkeye10,
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my wife says such things as " sometime I want you to come to the living room where I am, grab me by my hair and drag me back to the bedroom, and use me. AND DONT ASK ME, just make me do it. And if I dont service you well then whip me".

http://www.eeveelife.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2014/07/Cave-man-dragging-woman.jpg
What Hawkeye needs to make himself feel like a man. Laughing
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2015 04:24 pm
@firefly,
As long as I only play with women who are willing to play the way I like to play how is what gets me off any of your business? How does the state have any right to tell me no?
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2015 04:30 pm
@hawkeye10,
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As long as I only play with women who are willing to play the way I like to play how is what gets me off any of your business? How does the state have any right to tell me no?


Firefly does not view women who do not desire the same manner of sex that she approved of as sane adults.

They are sick victims that need treatment to break them away from such evil men as you happen to be.

Your wife should be in a force treatment program and you should be in prison.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2015 04:46 pm
@nononono,
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No one is condoning rape other than the extremely tiny percentage of people (both male AND female) who actually are rapists.


My point in the last posts is that I for one most certainly am condoning doing things that the feminists want to have considered rape by the state. It already is at many universities where BTW at one of my kids school the average age of undergrads is 24.3 and of graduates is 30.7, a little long in the tooth to be treating everyone like they are 16 year olds. And I am pretty sure WSU runs young.

http://about.wsu.edu/about/facts.aspx

I am not about to take new state regulations on sexuality in silence, because I know that the feminists desire to disrupt my sex life, and I dont recognize the states moral right to impose the new regulations.
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2015 05:56 pm
@hawkeye10,
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I know that the feminists desire to disrupt my sex life...

Because the voices in your head tell you that? Do these alleged "feminists" hide under your bed? In your bedroom closets? Can you even name them?

And the entire state legislature of the state of Washington must all be "feminists" as well, since they passed an affirmative definition of consent years ago.

Yup, they're all out to get you...

http://api.ning.com/files/L67J4KB8XT3B7KA-GNTiK7-fO0CBRbmDTQFfff2kWaC4sVxV7OWOSIhQiT9YdqXM1s7ovvqsIBYnOudvYbIBYaySTUW2Ne7k/8107439339_fe30eddf81_o.gifhttp://img845.imageshack.us/img845/4642/5u2a.jpg
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2015 06:43 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

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I know that the feminists desire to disrupt my sex life...

Because the voices in your head tell you that? Do these alleged "feminists" hide under your bed? In your bedroom closets? Can you even name them?


Speaking for myself, I'd quite like to blast Hawkeye out of bed with a firehose, across the room and out of the window. Catching him coitus interruption would be a bonus, but would probably require some tricky angling to get enough lift. (Lift may well be a problem, we might need a bigger hose.) Although his face as he disappears through the window would be reward enough.
 

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