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1 in 5 women get raped?

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 30 Dec, 2014 03:40 pm
@BillRM,
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Harvard Law School violated federal law by giving more rights to accused students than to accusers in sexual harassment and assault cases, the U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights announced Tuesday.

That finding definitely does not support your constant refrain that these are "kangaroo courts" biased in favor of accusers. At Harvard Law School, it is the accusers/complainants who are being denied equal rights.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 30 Dec, 2014 06:37 pm
@BillRM,
First Harvard have deep enough pockets that it can and should tell the Federal government to take their funding and place it where the moon does not shine if it mean subjecting their male students to Kangaroo courts where they have none of the normal protections an accuses have a right to expect.

Then the damn courts should weight in on the constitutional of the Federal government forcing colleges to set up of private courts and demanding that they can not offer any of the normal protections for the accuses.

For claims of criminal misdeeds the proper place is the state courts not such Kangaroo courts.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 30 Dec, 2014 07:07 pm
@BillRM,
Duh, dummy, it's the accusers who are being denied equal rights by Harvard Law School when they file sexual assault complaints.

Even Harvard Law cannot engage in that sort of blatant discrimination without risking being severely penalized by the government, and they will have to rectify it.

You're such a schmuck you can't even correctly understand the material you choose to post. Laughing

http://patrick.net/forum/content/uploads/2014/10/head_up_ass.jpg
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 30 Dec, 2014 08:37 pm
@firefly,
firfefly is as usual right, and if bill rm could actually read, instead if goinf in wuth his usual wrong prrsuppositions be might relize that the scales hace veen stacvked against the accusers, NOT the attackers. but will bill let facts sway him? never!
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 30 Dec, 2014 09:07 pm
@MontereyJack,
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that the scales hace veen stacvked against the accusers, NOT the attackers.


BULLSHIT and I mean Bullshit with the standard more likely then not mandated by the wonderful federal government and no normal due process rights.

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Faculty at the school criticized the policy in an October op-ed in the Boston Globe for a lacking "the most basic elements of fairness and due process," and being "overwhelmingly stacked against the accused."
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 30 Dec, 2014 09:13 pm
@BillRM,
you rally don't care about the actual facts do yhou bill? Youd rather rant. the accusers got FEWER due proc4ess rights than the accused. //that's actual documented fact, snd Harvard has copped to it and changed.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 30 Dec, 2014 09:24 pm
@MontereyJack,
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the accusers got FEWER due proc4ess rights than the accused. //that's actual documented fact, snd Harvard has copped to it and changed.


LOL Harvard management roll over to the pressure of the federal government however having more of a standard of proof that is greater then more likely then not before ending someone college career and some appeal procedures seem wise also.

Next in a real legal system the accuse who is facing possible punishment is the one with due process rights not the accuser.

Of course if there was any solid evidence of misdeeds that would come near the legal standards then the accuse would be facing a real criminal court.

The Federal mandated Kangaroo "courts" is an end run around such small problems to allow any male to be punish on only the word of a female with no real evidence needed.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 30 Dec, 2014 09:59 pm
@BillRM,
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Next in a real legal system the accuse who is facing possible punishment is the one with due process rights not the accuser.


In a "real legal system" the accused would have his mug shot, and name, all over the internet, and the possible punishment for a felony crime would include jail time and registration as a sex offender after release. Many students would prefer to avoid that "real legal system" for precisely those reasons.

In a "real legal system" the accuser is the state--and their legal rights are protected by the courts.
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Of course if there was any solid evidence of misdeeds that would come near the legal standards then the accuse would be facing a real criminal court.

That's not true. The accuser can opt not to lodge a police report.
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The Federal mandated Kangaroo "courts" is an end run around such small problems to allow any male to be punish on only the word of a female with no real evidence needed.

That's nonsense. The college tribunals allow both the accuser and the accused to maintain a much higher degree of privacy and confidentiality than the criminal justice would allow for, and the punishments are much less harsh because the accusations are treated on the level of civil infractions and not felony criminal acts.

The testimony of a crime victim, of any crime, is "real evidence" regarding whether an alleged crime was committed, and who committed it, you dolt.

Meanwhile, at Harvard Law School, rights were given to the accused which were not afforded to the accuser, which negates your claims regarding "kangaroo courts" and any bias in favor of the accuser.

All schools must now ensure that both the accuser and the accused are given equal rights.

http://patrick.net/forum/content/uploads/2014/10/head_up_ass.jpg



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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 30 Dec, 2014 10:01 pm
@BillRM,
As I say hyoud rather rant than look at the facts.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 30 Dec, 2014 10:09 pm
@MontereyJack,
He can't even face the fact that sexual assaults/rapes do occur on college campuses.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 30 Dec, 2014 10:18 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
As I say hyoud rather rant than look at the facts.


LOL facts like the case of a man who accuser was so unbelievable that the police charge her with making false statements to them over her claims that she was sexually assaulted and she then went on the run.

However the college Kangaroo court still found the man guilt on the word of a woman that was then on the run from the police for lying and they throw him out of college.

It took a year of pressure from an outrage public and his lawyer to get them to reverse themselves and allowed the man to reenter his studies.

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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 30 Dec, 2014 10:22 pm
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2014 Was the Year Colleges Finally Had to Answer for Rape on Campus
By Natalie Kitroeff
December 30, 2014

It has been three years since the government issued new guidelines for how colleges must handle sexual violence, but this was the year we learned just how badly our institutions needed them. Stories of sexual assaults on campuses—and mangled responses by colleges—made rape a dominant issue for American colleges and universities. Meanwhile, in response to those who criticized the coverage as sensational or downright overblown, a growing number of women revealed their own experiences of sexual assault at college. Here are the stories that fundamentally changed the way we think about sexual assault this year:

New York magazine chronicled the crusade of Emma Sulkowicz, a Columbia University student who began carrying a 50-pound mattress everywhere to represent the burden she carries after the university cleared the senior man she accused of rape. The alleged perpetrator, Paul Nungesser, told the New York Times this month that he has been unfairly maligned and humiliated thanks to Sulkowicz's allegations.

At the University of Virginia, a Rolling Stone article describing a supposed gang rape at a fraternity spurred broad criticism of the way the school deals with sexual assault allegations and prompted an ongoing effort among administrators to fix their approach to campus rape. Rolling Stone later retracted the article, after the Washington Post found deep factual irregularities in the account.

The New York Times detailed Hobart and William Smith Colleges' botched response to a student's claim that she had been raped by several members of the school's football team. The student body rallied around the woman and the college's board vowed radical changes to the school's culture and policies, BuzzFeed reported.

My colleague Claire Suddath documented the grassroots campaign to bring colleges to account for failing to properly adjudicate students' claims of sexual assault. A group of female students are filing complaints with the Department of Education, charging that the colleges violated women's rights under Title IX. In the process, Suddath reported, the student activists are "changing the way discipline occurs in the quiet, self-policed world of the college campus."

Bill Cosby has long faced accusations of sexual assault, but as the claims gathered momentum in recent months, several colleges severed ties with Cosby, a longtime benefactor and perennial commencement speaker. Of particular note: Cosby stepped down from his position on the board of trustees at Temple University, ending an unusually close relationship between the comedian and his alma mater. Spelman College, the historically black women's college and the inspiration for the Cosby Show spinoff A Different World, suspended an endowed professorship funded in part by a $20 million gift made by Cosby and his wife, Camille, in 1988.

These news stories, and the controversy over the Rolling Stone article in particular, prompted many women to tell their personal stories of rape on campus. Here are five:

Rachel Dodes Wortman, a former Wall Street Journal reporter who now works at Twitter, described being drugged and raped when she was a senior at Cornell University. "There are a series of blurry images, like a movie montage: us kissing on the couch, him carrying me to his bed, and then choking me while we had sex. I don’t remember saying 'No,' but I also think the issue of consent, in this particular instance, is not really applicable," she writes.

Randi Weingarten, the president of the American Federation of Teachers, wrote on Jezebel this month about having dinner with a "nice Jewish boy" who tried to rape her during the summer between her junior and senior years at college. She told her story, she said, because she was worried that the retraction of the Rolling Stone story would erect a "curtain of silence, where young women feel too afraid to share their truth."

Abigail Hauslohner, the Cairo bureau chief at the Washington Post, told the story of visiting a family friend at his college 14 years ago, going to a fraternity party, and being raped by the friend afterward in his dorm room. She recalls "my head lolling to one side and then my body falling back onto the mattress," before repeatedly saying "No."

In an essay in her book, Not That Kind of Girl, Lena Dunham wrote about being assaulted by a fellow Oberlin College student after leaving a party drunk and high. In a BuzzFeed post this month, Dunham described the backlash she faced for recounting the incident, including having her "character and credibility questioned at every turn" and being "attacked online with violent and misogynistic language."

Susan Dominus, a reporter for the New York Times Magazine, uses column space to chronicle an episode in her senior year of college, where she drank unidentified liquid from a red cup at a party and was later assaulted by the man who filled the cup for her: He pressured her, "until, under the influence, I stopped resisting."
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-12-30/2014-was-the-year-colleges-finally-had-to-answer-for-rape-on-campus
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 31 Dec, 2014 05:38 am
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http://www.npr.org/2014/09/03/345312997/some-accused-of-campus-assault-say-the-system-works-against-them


Some Accused Of Sexual Assault On Campus Say System Works Against Them
SEPTEMBER 03, 2014 3:31 AM ET
Tovia Smith 2010
TOVIA SMITH

After years of criticism for being too lax on campus sexual assault, some colleges and universities are coming under fire from students who say the current crackdown on perpetrators has gone too far.

Dozens of students who've been punished for sexual assault are suing their schools, saying that they didn't get a fair hearing and that their rights to due process were violated. The accused students say schools simply are overcorrecting.

More than 70 campuses are under federal investigation for violating the civil rights of alleged victims, and some students say schools are running so scared that they're violating the due process rights of defendants instead.

"Right from the start, they treated me like I was the scum of the earth," says one young man, who was a sophomore at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst this past fall when he was told he was being investigated for sexual misconduct — and had just hours to move out of his dorm.

It started at a party. He says a classmate invited him to her room, asked him to bring a condom, texted her girlfriends about it, gave no signs of being drunk and repeatedly indicated that she wanted to have sex.

So, he says, they did.

"Then we kissed and fooled around for a few more hours, and then eventually she told me her roommate was coming back at some point and that I should leave, but that she had a lot of fun," he says.

In her version of events, according to a university report, she started to "freak out" shortly after he left. She began to feel pain throughout her body, and realized that something had happened, but she didn't know what. She told the school she had been drinking and had no memory of most of the night — until a day later when she remembered "him having sex with me and holding me down."

She told a friend, who told a dorm adviser, and two days later the school launched an investigation that he says was rigged from the start.

"They were going through the motions," he says. "I felt like I was just trapped in the tidal wave."

Dark Days

This student is one of several dozen now suing. He filed as John Doe, fearing damage to his reputation, and agreed to talk on condition of anonymity. The lawsuit identifies the victim as Jane Doe.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 31 Dec, 2014 07:22 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Some Accused Of Sexual Assault On Campus Say System Works Against Them


Well they would, wouldn't they?
maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 31 Dec, 2014 10:37 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

BillRM wrote:
Some Accused Of Sexual Assault On Campus Say System Works Against Them


Well they would, wouldn't they?


Do you say that about people accused of other crimes, Izzy? You seem like a liberal when it comes to most other issues...


izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 31 Dec, 2014 11:00 am
@maxdancona,
It's a famous (mis) quotation you ignorant git. And don't call me a ******* liberal.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 31 Dec, 2014 11:19 am
why is no one talking about the nypd shooter's other victim?
Why Is No One Talking About the NYPD Shooter’s Other Target?


http://www.thenation.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/main_node_view_image/shaneka_thompson_cc_img.jpg

. . . . .


What’s equally predictable and disappointing is the near-erasure of Shaneka Thompson from the story of Ismaaiyl Brinsley’s shooting spree. Thompson is the 29-year-old ex-girlfriend whose Maryland apartment Brinsley entered before shooting her in the stomach and leaving her to scream for help. “I can’t die like this. Please, please help me,” she is reported to have shouted as she banged on a neighbor’s door. According to news reports, Thompson is a health insurance specialist with the Veterans Administration and an Air Force reservist. Brinsley took her phone with him as he headed north to New York, using it to post self-incriminating rants to Instagram before killing Officers Ramos and Liu and, finally, himself.

Thompson is hospitalized and was, as of Sunday, in critical but stable condition. She is also the latest in a series of women who have been brutalized by men whose violence only became notable when they took on targets deemed more important, more relevant to a national or international debate already in play. On Monday Muna Mire, a former Nation intern, noted on Facebook similarities between Thompson and Noleen Hayson Pal, slain ex-wife of Man Haron Monis. Monis is the gunman behind the sixteen-hour standoff in an Australian café that earlier this month left three people (including him) dead. He had a history of violence against women and at the time of the café attack was out on bail on charges including dozens of counts of sexual assault. He had also been charged with being an accessory to the murder of his ex-wife, with whom he had a custody dispute. He allegedly conspired with a girlfriend, who then set Pal on fire and stabbed her eighteen times. To frame that hostage crisis as one simply driven by religious fanaticism leaves out a key element: Monis seems to have been quite sick and is alleged to have used women’s bodies as a place to target that sickness. Monis had been charged with these crimes recently, but he wasn’t due back in court until February. This past weekend, Baltimore police started tracking Shaneka Thompson’s phone, which Brinsley had in his possession, around 6:30 am, less than an hour after she was shot. According to The New York Times, they knew Brinsley’s whereabouts, but didn’t contact New York police until after noon. They faxed a wanted poster to a Brooklyn precinct just after 2 pm.


There may well be legitimate reasons why law enforcement could not have apprehended Brinsley earlier, even though they knew his whereabouts as he traveled north from Baltimore to New York. But in both this case and the Sydney incident, there seem to have been assumptions that public safety was not at risk despite the allegations and evidence of violence against women. Why does the threat level and stoking of public fear skyrocket when a madman is thought to be tied to an ideology that’s generally hated in the mainstream—anti-police sentiment or Islamic fundamentalism—but not when that madness has threatened a woman’s life or safety?

Salamishah Tillett raised a similar question during the trial of George Zimmerman, who had been accused of molesting a cousin as a child and of abusing a former fiancée before killing Trayvon Martin. As Tillett wrote, “Zimmerman’s attorneys successfully argued that those acts were inadmissible or irrelevant. But these accusations offer us other truths: that violence against girls and women is often an overlooked and unchecked indicator of future violence.”

. . .

http://www.thenation.com/blog/193577/why-no-one-talking-about-nypd-shooters-other-target
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 31 Dec, 2014 12:54 pm
@maxdancona,
In a mild way I almost feel sorry for the universities as on the one hand they are being force to set up an unfair court systems under the threat of losing federal funding and on the other hands they are going to be more and more sued by the victims of those court systems in real courts for many dollars.

Of course my main concern is not the universities but the victims of these kangaroo courts.

Sexual assaults charges belong in real criminal courts where the accused is given full due process rights and if the accuser is found to be pressing false charges they at least have a small chance of being punish for doing so.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 31 Dec, 2014 02:38 pm
@BillRM,
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 31 Dec, 2014 03:34 pm
@BillRM,
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In a mild way I almost feel sorry for the universities as on the one hand they are being force to set up an unfair court systems under the threat of losing federal funding and on the other hands they are going to be more and more sued by the victims of those court systems in real courts for many dollars.

Who says the universities all have "unfair" adjudication procedures for dealing with sexual assaults/rapes? That's your straw-man argument. Most colleges and universities, the overwhelming majority of them, are neither being federally investigated for mishandling these cases, nor are they being sued by the students who were involved.

And the "victims" of "unfair" procedures include those who allege they have been sexually assaulted/raped, as is the case at Harvard Law School where it has been found that rights which were accorded to the accused were not given to the accusers. Where is your concern for the accusers who are not being given equal rights?
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Of course my main concern is not the universities but the victims of these kangaroo courts.

Shouldn't your main concern be for those students who are being sexually assaulted/raped on college campuses? Shouldn't you want to see the predators who commit those criminal acts reported, to either the college or the police, so that some action can be taken to stop them?

It seems to completely elude you that the issue is one of campus safety, with the goal of reducing these crimes of assault.

Had Jesse Matthew been stopped when he was reported for sexual misconduct at both colleges he attended, instead of being allowed to transfer out of the first one, and then drop out of the second, before investigations were even done, the two college women he subsequently allegedly murdered might still be alive.

You make an unfounded assumption that there are no real sexual predators, who premeditate their actions, and select vulnerable targets, on college campuses, and that those who are accused are essentially harmless, and pose no threat to the safety of others. It's the same flawed assumption you make about those who collect and share child pornography--despite the fact that collectors of such material create the demand that contributes to the continuing sexual exploitation of children used to produce more of it, and the fact that some of these collectors are pedophiles who abuse actual children.

You have nothing to contribute to any meaningful discussion of sexual assault/rape, and that's been true for over 4 years. You are obsessed with the issue of false accusations, out of all proportion to their relatively rare occurrence, and to the exclusion of all else. You are downright hysterical on the issue--constantly sounding alarms about all of the allegedly "innocent" men being either falsely accused or "railroaded" by allegedly "unfair" adjudication procedures--with no concern, at all, for acts of sexual assault/rape which are being committed against both males and females, and no concern that these should be better reported and prosecuted, so that these criminal acts cannot be committed with impunity.

What really bothers you is to see sexual predators being held accountable--and you will minimize, trivialize, and rationalize their actions, when you aren't trying to promote them as victims of some sort. You can't adjust to the reality that society is no longer willing to sweep such crimes under the rug, or to blame victims for the actions of perpetrators. That tide has turned, on campuses, in the military, and in the larger community as well. And all of your hysteria won't reverse that.
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Students Are 'Deluding Themselves'

Attorney Colby Bruno, who represents victims, says that just because a lot of young men are suing their schools doesn't mean the process is actually unfair — only that it suggests some students are having trouble adjusting to the changing norms on campus sexual assault.

"I don't have sympathy for the guy who assaults somebody and thinks he's been railroaded," Bruno says. "The cases where students are deluding themselves into thinking that what they did wasn't rape and sexual assault? I think those are 85 percent of boys coming forward saying, 'I was railroaded.' "

While numbers are hard to come by, she says there are still far more perpetrators getting away with a slap on the wrist than innocent students being wrongly expelled. She says false accusations are rare; far more often, real crimes go unreported.

http://www.npr.org/2014/09/03/345312997/some-accused-of-campus-assault-say-the-system-works-against-them
 

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