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1 in 5 women get raped?

 
 
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 9 Dec, 2014 05:37 pm
@BillRM,
And what the **** do you do, asswad????? Losing the debate so you're trying to flip the conversation.
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FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Tue 9 Dec, 2014 05:50 pm
@wmwcjr,
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Buckley's view of the period is that Bowie, "a taboo-breaker and a dabbler ... mined sexual intrigue for its ability to shock",[177] and that "it is probably true that Bowie was never gay, nor even consistently actively bisexual ... he did, from time to time, experiment, even if only out of a sense of curiosity and a genuine allegiance with the 'transgressional.' "[178] Biographer Christopher Sandford says that according to Mary Finnigan, with whom Bowie had an affair in 1969, the singer and his first wife Angie "lived in a fantasy world ... and they created their bisexual fantasy."[179] Sandford tells how, during the marriage, Bowie "made a positive fetish of repeating the quip that he and his wife had met while '******* the same bloke' ... Gay sex was always an anecdotal and laughing matter. That Bowie's actual tastes swung the other way is clear from even a partial tally of his affairs with women."[179]


Who knows. He's married with kids, been married before so that suggests his main preference is women.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 9 Dec, 2014 06:10 pm
From U VA Prez

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As I said in an address earlier this month, in any crisis it can be far too easy to paint with a broad brush, and to blindly attack entire groups of individuals. This is not a responsible reaction. Our fraternities were terribly distressed by the allegations in the article, and they are working with us toward solutions."
solutions to what, female students accusing men that could not possibly be guilty? Saying that men suck without any evidence? Saying that Greeks suck because of one false accusation against them? The fact that these are not the problems that you are working on is a problem

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Some of the other changes, she said, include increased police presence, a group of unarmed security personnel called "Ambassadors" and a new proposed policy on sexual misconduct that takes into account new federal mandates.




MIlitarizing our university campuses is going to go far to rubbing out that program that you have all been on the last few decades, upping the touchy-feelies. Is this really what you want to be teaching young people. that america is a very dangerous place and we need lots of cops? Violence is only a fraction of what it has been over last last 50 years outside your gates and inside is even safer still, you people are full of ****. I almost cant believe that the american people are so stupid that they accept this phony bologna.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/uva-president-releases-series/story?id=27459444
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 9 Dec, 2014 06:24 pm
@wmwcjr,
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Oh, look! Here comes BillRM! Smile Let's hear what he's got to say: This figure is a gross exaggeration!


Lot of rapes by the USSR forces when they overrun Germany not as many as was done by the German forces who also killed around 20 millions USSR citizens as well as large scale raping. In fact the plan was to depopulated Russian to made living room for the German people.

A lot of the soviet soldiers that did the over running had their families wiped out by the Germans.

Revenge may not be morally correct but it is more then understandable given the hell the Russians people suffer at the hands of the fathers and the brothers of the German women they did rape.

footnote the USSR government for a time promoted this revenge until it got so bad that even Stalin decided to cool it.
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NSFW (view)
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 9 Dec, 2014 06:44 pm
@wmwcjr,
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There never were any prosecutions for this horrible war crime.


footnote the USSR never sign the Geneva convention concerning the treatment of both civilians and soldiers however Stalin offer to follow it if Germany did.

Hitler however with his plans of wiping out the Russian population was not at all interested in following the Geneva convention on the eastern front.

Sorry but given everything the German people got off light in spit of the millions of rapes as they was over run.
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firefly
 
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Reply Tue 9 Dec, 2014 08:25 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
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My point was to try to bring the subject back at hand or at least have some decent conversation about the said subject.

It's impossible to have decent and meaningful conversation about the topic of rape once Hawkeye, BillRM, and nononono show up. Their motivation is to dominate, disrupt, and pull the thread off-topic so it becomes, not about rape, but about the alleged abuse of men. It's like trying to have an intelligent conversation with 3 chimps.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6156/6171538976_e7100aea14_z.jpg

Hawkeye's paranoid and delusional comments are mainly about a murky vast feminist/government conspiracy he thinks is out to destroy men and prove "Men Suck!` He thinks alleged "feminists" control all university and government research and all studies are rigged to get the results these alleged omnipotent "feminists" want. That's about as crazy and paranoid and delusional as thinking can get. He's mainly concerned that what he calls "sex regulation" will impinge on, or threaten, his BDSM sexual lifestyle.

BillRM is consumed with the concept of false allegations, pretty much to the exclusion of all else. He's not interested in the numerous surveys that show that between 90--92% of police reports of rape are not considered false reports, about the same as for all other crimes. He wants all women who report rapes and sexual assaults to be regarded as liars--guilty until proven otherwise--and he cites the almost decade old Duke lacrosse players false allegations case endlessly, as though no quite real rapes have occurred at Duke, or anywhere else, since that time. He refuses to address, or even acknowledge, real crimes of rape and, like Hawkeye, he believes that attempts to better handle and prevent crimes of sexual assault/rape, both in the military and on campuses, reflect a war on young men. The fact that people are being raped, with insufficient consequences for perpetrators, which is what necessitates those reform measures, doesn't interest him--his sympathy is totally with those accused of it, just as his sympathy is totally with the arrested collectors of child pornography, and not with the children sexually exploited in order to provide those collectors with such material.

nononono mainly posts the flat out propaganda found on men's rights activist sites, like A Voice For Men, which wage an endless war on "feminazis", and whine endlessly about the mistreatment of men in our "gynocentric society" compared to all the privileges women are supposedly enjoying (like being the most frequent victims of sexual assault/rape? Rolling Eyes). He's told us it's much worse to be accused of rape than it is to be actually raped, how he knows that is a mystery, but it's clear he lacks any objectivity, or real interest in the crime of rape, and all he wants to talk about is the plight of men who are all being "demonized or ignored" in today's world. He comes across as as ideologically steeped in, and blinded by, his own men' rights activist's propaganda as the "feminazis" he rails against, although the irony of that eludes him. Unfortunately, we really have no dyed in the wool feminists for him to contend with here, just individual women expressing their individual views, free of any animosity toward men in general, which leaves him without an adversary, but he rants on about them anyway, because it facilitates his male pity party and avoids looking at the issue of rape or why some men rape. And, just to show his respect for women, and lack of sexist attitudes, he just called 2 female posters "sugar tits". Rolling Eyes

Tell me, how is it possible to have a decent, or meaningful, or balanced, conversation about sexual assault/rape with those three, particularly when they are acting in concert in a thread, egging each other on?

Why would one even want to? Do they ever say anything of real interest, or anything that's not simply a repetition of things they keep saying over and over and over, all meant to minimalize the reality and prevalence of sexual assault/rape, and to, instead, promote the notion that attempts to deter and punish such crimes are simply attacks on men--all men. Maybe they just can't deal with the reality that most sexual assault/rapes, of both men and women, are committed by men, a small percentage of men, but, yes, most of that small percentage are men, and it's only that small percentage of men that we want to see stopped and appropriately punished--and that "we" includes both males and females. It's not really a gender issue--it's a crime and safety issue.

And they are solidified in their views, no one will succeed in helping them to be more objective, let alone getting them to change their minds, so responding to them just encourages them to post more BS, and it gives them the attention they crave. I really don't care what they think, or what kind of ignorance they want to remain mired in--it's their problem not mine.
nononono
 
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Reply Wed 10 Dec, 2014 03:14 am
@FOUND SOUL,
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Imagine if we called your penis, chocolate lolly pop.


I'm sorry, but that was just hot. Very Happy You can call my penis anything you want, for two reasons: 1) I like you personally. Not just that, I find your personality quite attractive. You are a sweetheart FS. Not only that, but Aussie women; they're a sexy breed right? 2) Anyone can call my penis whatever they want because I'm not a prude or a crybaby who would claim "harassment" because of something anyone said about me over the internet. I'm a grown up. I'm not Anita Sarkeesian, or Suey Park, or Brianna Wu. I put on my big boy pants when I wake up each day.

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Actually he said it to two people and I found it an amusing yet degrading terminology hence my comment.


A very astute observation FS. Of course you're smart enough to realize that I was being a smartass. But not only that, you noticed that I made the same comment to two different people, one male one female. And for which of these did I receive criticism? Did Bob throw a hissy rant?

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do note that for the most part, most people have "balls" here and can take words with a pinch of salt.


Again, this is why I like you.

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Still think that I'd feel safe in a room with David Bowie


I'm a HUGE Bowie fan. Hunky Dory is one of my favorite albums of all time, and I've watched Labyrinth more times than I can count!
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nononono
 
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Reply Wed 10 Dec, 2014 03:15 am
@glitterbag,
How can we be lovers if we can't be friends baby? Sad
nononono
 
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Reply Wed 10 Dec, 2014 03:50 am
@firefly,
firefly, I've absolutely destroyed your "logic" and "reasoning" so many times that at this point it's beneath me to even read, let alone respond to your posts. And yet, it still kind of amuses me to watch you embarrass yourself. Laughing

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He thinks alleged "feminists" control all university and government


This is fact. This is verifiable.

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He's told us it's much worse to be accused of rape than it is to be actually raped,


Fact. And I proved this beyond a shadow of a doubt. http://able2know.org/topic/257742-56#post-5834879

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"feminazis"


I've never used this term once. I challenge you to prove that I have.

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Unfortunately, we really have no dyed in the wool feminists for him to contend with here


You are a feminist firefly, no matter what you say to the contrary. You spout the exact same ideology, and yet claim that you "don't accept the label." That's like if I said "Niggers are an inferior race.", but then claimed that I wasn't a white supremacist. You're an ideologue firefly. The fact that you believe the rape of a woman to be a more serious crime than even the murder of a man is a testament to that.

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he just called 2 female posters "sugar tits".


False. It was one female, and one male. But again, this is an example of you viewing things through your skewed, ideological lense of feminism.

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Do they ever say anything of real interest, or anything that's not simply a repetition of things they keep saying over and over and over,


And this is where you are in fact projecting your own incredibly embarrassing failings onto both myself, hawkeye, and Bill. You are the one repeating yourself endlessly. And my challenge to you firefly is this. Can you go one full week without posting on any rape related thread on A2K? One week. I know this will be very hard for you, being that you consider the act of rape (only when it is committed against the sanctity of women, not men) as a more serious crime than even murder.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 10 Dec, 2014 06:25 am

1 in 5 Women Is Sexually Assaulted in College. Just 1 Percent of Attackers Are Punished.
It's not just UVA.

—By Dave Gilson
| Wed Dec. 3, 2014 6:00 AM EST

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At the center of Rolling Stone's searing investigation into sexual assault at the University of Virginia is a disturbing recounting of a drunken gang rape at a frat party. Skeptics have suggested that that particular incident is too bad to be true, and some journalists have started to criticize the thoroughness of the reporting behind the article.

However, recent research shows that the broad contours of the environment described at UVA—where women report widespread sexual assault with no consequences for perpetrators—is not unique on America's college campuses. As one expert told RS contributing editor Sabrina Rubin Erdely, "the depressing reality is that UVA's situation is likely the norm."

Some of the best data on the prevalence of rape and other forms of sexual assault on campus comes from a 2007 survey of nearly 5,400 undergraduate women at two large public universities. The study, funded by the Department of Justice's National Institute of Justice, found "women at universities are at considerable risk for experiencing sexual assault." (The study defined sexual assault as not only rape but other unwanted sexual contact.)

A 2009 follow-up study by the same researchers found that by the time they are seniors, 1 in 5 undergraduate women report experiencing sexual assault since they started college. (In contrast, 4 percent of the survey's male respondents said that they'd been sexually assaulted in college.) That figure mirrors recent findings that 19 percent of women in the United States have been raped during their lifetimes.

The NIJ-funded study also examined the circumstances and risk factors surrounding sexual assault on campus, including the role of alcohol and fraternities. Nearly 60 percent of campus sexual-assault victims were under the influence of booze or drugs when they were attacked; one-fourth said their assailant was a frat member. Gang rapes like the one described in Rolling Stone appear to be relatively uncommon; most assaults involve a single assailant whom the victim previously knew.

Combined with findings from other studies on frats and rape prevention strategies, this data provides a overview of sexual violence on campus—and how rarely it is fully investigated.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 10 Dec, 2014 06:26 am
@nononono,
You disgusting piece of ****. Women are always going to be an object on your mind.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 10 Dec, 2014 06:33 am
@nononono,
mememeeeee wrote:

firefly, I've absolutely destroyed your "logic" and "reasoning" so many times

Talk about living in lala land. The only thing you've "absolutely destroyed" is your rattle, when you threw it out of your pram


"Waaaaah" wrote:
it's beneath me to even read, let alone respond to your posts.


Nothing is beneath you. You are utter filth. Btw, using the bold is the online equivalent of big chunky crayons.

FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Wed 10 Dec, 2014 02:32 pm
@nononono,
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the rape of a woman to be a more serious crime than even the murder of a man.


I'd have to agree actually myself with that. Why?

A man gets murdered. It could have taken a while, or been instant but it's over as life is known.

A woman gets raped. It may have taken a while, or been instant but she lives and in that, for the rest of her life, she remembers and if she can't cope with the memory, for the rest of her life she suffers and those around her, her life as she knows it is over, yet it continues.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 10 Dec, 2014 03:26 pm
@izzythepush,
Intellectually challenged nononono can't even comprehend what he reads. I've said quite clearly I don't consider rape to be a more serious, or worse crime than murder, I know of no one who does, and our laws reflect that murder is clearly regarded as the more heinous crime.

And I've always made it clear, in the 4 years I've posted on the topic, that I don't regard the rapes of men any less seriously, or less important, than the rapes of women. I don't regard rape as a gender issue--it's a crime issue. Rape is rape, regardless of the genders of the victim or the perpetrator involved. And I'm glad our laws now more clearly reflect that.

So what does that dumbbell conclude about my views?
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You're an ideologue firefly. The fact that you believe the rape of a woman to be a more serious crime than even the murder of a man is a testament to that.


Talk about making "false accusations". Laughing He has no hesitancy about making them, since nothing, at all, in that statement about me is true.

He's the only ideologue around here, pushing and regurgitating the views of the so-called men's rights activists Web sites, complete with their characteristic terminology, like "gynocentric thinking" and their obsessive focus on "feminists", who they over-generalize about, and try to characterize and stereotype as "man-hating" and out to destroy men.

So poor little nononono needs a feminist foil to contend with, even if he has to resort to trying to manufacture one in me. Laughing I haven't paid any attention to so-called feminists in at least 30 years, and the ones I did pay some attention to back then, were not "man-haters" at all, they were people, like the journalist Gloria Steinem, who was more about "conscious raising", as a way to promote change, and she was extremely effective in succeeding at that. I never paid any attention to academic or philosophical feminists, so I have no idea how I could have acquired an "ideology" consistent with theirs. I don't think an organized advocacy movement, like feminism, is even necessary now, because basic notions regarding equality of opportunity for women, and the harmful effects of sexist attitudes and behaviors, are pretty much mainstream now, and shared by most women and men.

If the birdbrain insists I'm a feminist, I really don't care. I don't consider it a negative label, I just think it's not really accurate in my case. Either he really doesn't understand feminism, or he can't distinguish it from simply a female perspective on issues important to women. But, so many of his views are distorted or inaccurate, what difference does one more make? Laughing

He's an insignificant, juvenile whiner, who seems to be spiking his mens rights activists Kool Aid with too much Vodka Drunk Drunk Drunk, and he's desperate for attention, even though most of what he's gotten is overwhelmingly negative, particularly from other men.

And his childish misplaced attempts at humor are as off-the-mark as everything else he posts. He's just a clueless jerk who is not mature enough to play with the grown ups, and he really should go back to the sandbox where he can find his peers.



izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 10 Dec, 2014 03:33 pm
@firefly,
He's a sad pathetic joke and an embarrassment to men everywhere.
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 10 Dec, 2014 04:30 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
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A man gets murdered. It could have taken a while, or been instant but it's over as life is known.

A woman gets raped. It may have taken a while, or been instant but she lives and in that, for the rest of her life, she remembers and if she can't cope with the memory, for the rest of her life she suffers and those around her, her life as she knows it is over, yet it continues.

I understand your point, Foundy, I just don't agree with your view.

Taking someone's life in an act of murder, and depriving them of their future, I definitely see as the most egregious act of all--it's the complete obliteration of an irreplaceable life.

Many traumatic life experiences, like rapes, even strokes or severe illnesses, may severely impact the quality of life one enjoyed before those events, but life is still possible, treatment for trauma and depression is possible, and no one, neither male nor female, should feel their life is over because they have been raped. It's not better to be dead rather than to have to cope with trauma, I just don't believe that.

But your appreciation of, and empathy for, the kind of emotional damage that rape can inflict on a life, I totally agree with. And that's why rape survivors need all those victim support services ASAP after such assaults--it's all to help minimize trauma and to try to intervene to prevent it from becoming an experience that will destroy a life.

That's what makes it particularly distressing when the rape deniers, like Hawkeye and BillRM, mock and trivialize these support services by referring to them as the "victim industry" and resent the funding that supports these necessary services. Not that their particular views are particularly important in the grand scheme of things, because they are not, but their callous indifference to those who have been raped, and total lack of normal empathy, is chilling in what it reveals about their character as human beings, and their attitudes toward women. They don't care about male victims of rape at all, and they actively opposed changes in the federal and state definitions of rape which were more gender neutral and provided for better protection of men. And they can't connect to any notion that females may go through genuine emotional suffering after having been raped.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 10 Dec, 2014 04:31 pm
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For once, there's actually some good news to report. While it would have been plenty easy for leaders at UVA to use questions about Jackie's story as an excuse to punt responsibility, the New York Times reports that instead they're staying the course, saying they will not waver from grappling with how to deal with campus rape generally and sexual assault within the Greek system in particular. University President Teresa A. Sullivan is not backing down from the temporary suspension of fraternities on campus, despite some calls for her to do so. And the president of the university’s Inter-Fraternity Council, Tommy Reid, is supporting her in this decision.


http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/12/10/uva_response_to_the_rolling_stone_fiasco_teresa_sullivan_and_tommy_reid.html

Good news only if your agenda begins and ends with a desire to beat on men, for everyone else this is bad news. Where else do we cheer "oh, so you did not do the bad thing you were accused of, well we are going to let the punishment stand anyways, because we feel like it"?

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These groups should take note of how on-campus fraternity leadership is responding. Instead of using the Rolling Stone fiasco as a chance to evade responsibility, Intra-Fraternity leader Tommy Reid is showing real spine. "The temporary suspension has provided the fraternity community with time to step back and think critically about its role in the elimination of rape at UVA, and allowed us to sort of review our priorities as students first and fraternity members second," Reid told the New York Times. "It’s allowed us to take a breath."


Bull. ****.

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In a joint statement, the Fraternity and Sorority Political Action Committee, the National Panhellenic Conference and the North American Intrafraternity Conference all called on the university to allow fraternities and sororities at the university to resume activities. All activities were suspended through early next month following the Rolling Stone story.

"We believe universities must demonstrate more respect for the fundamental rights to due process and freedom of association for students and student organizations when allegations of misconduct are lodged," the statement read.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-greek-groups-uva-reinstate-fraternities-20141208-story.html

Anyone who at this point expectsthis misandrist over at Slate to report the truth is sadly deluded.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 10 Dec, 2014 04:44 pm
@hawkeye10,
It just keeps getting better

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The scene with her friends was pivotal in the article, as it alleged that the friends were callously apathetic about a beaten, bloodied, injured classmate reporting a brutal gang rape at the Phi Kappa Psi fraternity. The account alleged that the students worried about the effect it might have on their social status, how it might reflect on Jackie during the rest of her collegiate career, and how they suggested not reporting it. It set up the article’s theme: That U-Va. has a culture that is indifferent to rape.

“It didn’t happen that way at all,” Andy said.

Instead, the friends remember being shocked. Though they did not notice any blood or visible injuries, they said they immediately urged Jackie to speak to police and insisted that they find her help. Instead, they said, Jackie declined and asked to be taken back to her dorm room. They went with her — two of them said they spent the night — seeking to comfort Jackie in what appeared to be a moment of extreme turmoil.]

“I mean obviously we were very concerned for her,” Andy said. “We tried to be as supportive as we could be.”

The three students agreed to be interviewed on the condition that The Post use the same aliases as appeared in Rolling Stone because of the sensitivity of the subject.

They said there are mounting inconsistencies with the original narrative in the magazine. The students also expressed suspicions about Jackie’s allegations from that night. They said the name she provided as that of her date did not match anyone at the university, and U-Va. officials confirmed to The Post that no one by that name has attended the school

And photographs that were texted to one of the friends showing her date that night actually were pictures depicting one of Jackie’s high school classmates in Northern Virginia. That man, now a junior at a university in another state, confirmed that the photographs are of him and said he barely knew Jackie and hasn’t been to Charlottesville for at least six years.

The friends said they never were contacted or interviewed by the pop culture magazine’s reporters or editors. Though vilified in the article as coldly indifferent to Jackie’s ordeal, the students said they cared deeply about their friend’s well-being and safety. Randall said that they made every effort to help Jackie that night.

“She had very clearly just experienced a horrific trauma,” Randall said. “I had never seen anybody acting like she was on that night before and I really hope I never have to again. ... If she was acting on the night of Sept. 28, 2012, then she deserves an Oscar.”.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/u-va-students-challenge-rolling-stone-account-of-attack/2014/12/10/ef345e42-7fcb-11e4-81fd-8c4814dfa9d7_story.html?hpid=z1

I am going to go with the she deserves an Oscar theory. And the entire greek system has been punished on the say so of this lying bitch. The University prez is ramrodding through new male bashing programs on the back of this lying bitches fiction.

This is what America has become under victim culture.

We used to be better.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 10 Dec, 2014 04:44 pm
@hawkeye10,
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University President Teresa A. Sullivan is not backing down from the temporary suspension of fraternities on campus,


We now know you did not rob that store but we are sure you are thinking of robbing other stores in the near future so your punishment stand.

What parents in their right minds would send their sons into such a snake pit of anti male hatred?
 

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