@FOUND SOUL,
Quote:My point was to try to bring the subject back at hand or at least have some decent conversation about the said subject.
It's impossible to have decent and meaningful conversation about the topic of rape once Hawkeye, BillRM, and nononono show up. Their motivation is to dominate, disrupt, and pull the thread off-topic so it becomes, not about rape, but about the alleged abuse of men. It's like trying to have an intelligent conversation with 3 chimps.
Hawkeye's paranoid and delusional comments are mainly about a murky vast feminist/government conspiracy he thinks is out to destroy men and prove "Men Suck!` He thinks alleged "feminists" control all university and government research and all studies are rigged to get the results these alleged omnipotent "feminists" want. That's about as crazy and paranoid and delusional as thinking can get. He's mainly concerned that what he calls "sex regulation" will impinge on, or threaten, his BDSM sexual lifestyle.
BillRM is consumed with the concept of false allegations, pretty much to the exclusion of all else. He's not interested in the numerous surveys that show that between 90--92% of police reports of rape are not considered false reports, about the same as for all other crimes. He wants all women who report rapes and sexual assaults to be regarded as liars--guilty until proven otherwise--and he cites the almost decade old Duke lacrosse players false allegations case endlessly, as though no quite real rapes have occurred at Duke, or anywhere else, since that time. He refuses to address, or even acknowledge, real crimes of rape and, like Hawkeye, he believes that attempts to better handle and prevent crimes of sexual assault/rape, both in the military and on campuses, reflect a war on young men. The fact that people are being raped, with insufficient consequences for perpetrators, which is what necessitates those reform measures, doesn't interest him--his sympathy is totally with those accused of it, just as his sympathy is totally with the arrested collectors of child pornography, and not with the children sexually exploited in order to provide those collectors with such material.
nononono mainly posts the flat out propaganda found on men's rights activist sites, like A Voice For Men, which wage an endless war on "feminazis", and whine endlessly about the mistreatment of men in our "gynocentric society" compared to all the privileges women are supposedly enjoying (like being the most frequent victims of sexual assault/rape?
). He's told us it's much worse to be accused of rape than it is to be actually raped, how he knows that is a mystery, but it's clear he lacks any objectivity, or real interest in the crime of rape, and all he wants to talk about is the plight of men who are all being "demonized or ignored" in today's world. He comes across as as ideologically steeped in, and blinded by, his own men' rights activist's propaganda as the "feminazis" he rails against, although the irony of that eludes him. Unfortunately, we really have no dyed in the wool feminists for him to contend with here, just individual women expressing their individual views, free of any animosity toward men in general, which leaves him without an adversary, but he rants on about them anyway, because it facilitates his male pity party and avoids looking at the issue of rape or why some men rape. And, just to show his respect for women, and lack of sexist attitudes, he just called 2 female posters "sugar tits".
Tell me, how is it possible to have a decent, or meaningful, or balanced, conversation about sexual assault/rape with those three, particularly when they are acting in concert in a thread, egging each other on?
Why would one even want to? Do they ever say anything of real interest, or anything that's not simply a repetition of things they keep saying over and over and over, all meant to minimalize the reality and prevalence of sexual assault/rape, and to, instead, promote the notion that attempts to deter and punish such crimes are simply attacks on men--all men. Maybe they just can't deal with the reality that most sexual assault/rapes, of both men and women, are committed by men, a small percentage of men, but, yes, most of that small percentage are men, and it's only that small percentage of men that we want to see stopped and appropriately punished--and that "we" includes both males and females. It's not really a gender issue--it's a
crime and safety issue.
And they are solidified in their views, no one will succeed in helping them to be more objective, let alone getting them to change their minds, so responding to them just encourages them to post more BS, and it gives them the attention they crave. I really don't care what they think, or what kind of ignorance they want to remain mired in--it's their problem not mine.