1 in 5 women get raped?

You seem to ignore the fact that sexual assault/rape is first and foremost a crime, and the current efforts to address and deal with it,

firefly, I think you and hawkeye should quit all this flirting and just get it over with and ****.

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firefly, I think you and hawkeye should quit all this flirting and just get it over with and ****.

Make sure you both get written letters of consent first though. And no drinking...

You can be damn sure that I am going to video so that I can prove that consent was never withdrawn.

Hopefully I will also record the ongoing enthusiastic yes's that the feminists want.

you use the word "crime" exactly like the priests used to use the word "sin"...it is all decided, we just need to follow along and do as we are told.

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Let me explain this to you in terms that you can understand.

The number of rapes that are prosecuted does not indicate the number of rapes that actually occur.

I assume that you understand the principle when I put it in those terms.

It's simply that "false accusation" is a difficult charge to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

I see your point clearly: the number of prosecutions for "false accusation" massively underestimates the number of false accusations that actually occur.

There's no conspiracy necessary for that to be the case. It's simply that "false accusation" is a difficult charge to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

A horrific article, recently published in Rolling Stone, rocked the University of Virginia. The article told the story of a junior identified as "Jackie," who recounted attending as a bubbly freshman a fraternity date party where she was lured into a dark room, beaten and gang raped by seven men as part of a twisted pledge initiation.

The sickening details set the campus on fire, sparking student protests, a police investigation, a suspension of fraternity life, a media feeding frenzy and panic within the school's administration. Those details, it turns out, weren't entirely true. The fraternity even said it did not host "a date function or social event" on the date the alleged rape happened.

On Friday, after scrutiny from media critics from across the ideological spectrum — the article contained serious holes, multiple inconsistencies and epic failures in fact-checking — Rolling Stone backed down from the story, saying its "trust" in Jackie was "misplaced." Oops. And in an updated apology, the magazine said of its reporting errors, "These mistakes are on Rolling Stone, not on Jackie."

This sad saga will continue to unfold, but in the meantime, it's worthwhile to conduct a bit of a thought experiment. If you go back and look at Jackie's story through the prism of assumed truth — as many people eagerly did — the initial reaction to it becomes increasingly bizarre.

Jackie's rape account was violent and deeply disturbing. As skeptical Worth magazine editor Richard Bradley pointed out, sections of it (one frat brother allegedly called Jackie "it" while ordering a pledge to grab her leg) were reminiscent of "The Silence of the Lambs." This was not some drunken misunderstanding at a party. It was the equivalent of a war crime. The perpetrators, if guilty, were monsters.

So it was odd to see how University of Virginia students, long trained in the feminist doctrine of "rape culture," responded to this alleged show of unadulterated evil. They organized — wait for it — a "Slut Walk." In the face of Jackie's story, students, as freshman organizer Maria DeHart told the U.Va. student paper, needed to "fight against this victim-blaming, slut-shaming culture we have that sexualizes women, yet shames them for being sexual."

Wait, what? DeHart has apparently not yet attended the freshman sociology seminar that will inform her that rape is usually about power and violence, not sex. We'll leave that aside for now, however, because things get even weirder. A later protest rally, organized by university faculty — inspired, please remember, by a supposed serious crime with a group of violent assailants still on the loose, free to hurt other women — was officially titled "Take Back the Party."

"Take Back the Party"? What on earth does this even mean? Weren't we talking about a reported gang rape? Rest assured, kids, the U.Va. faculty is no bunch of old, killjoy fuddy-duddies: "We are not here to shut down the party," their public statement assured students. "We are here to support a SAFE social environment for women as well as men. This is a FACULTY action demanding an end to sexual assault at UVA."


Note to the esteemed faculty at U.Va: Writing things in ALL CAPS almost always makes you look a little CRAZY. More important, though, doesn't this all seem terribly blase? The way the faculty statement reads, you'd assume that gang rapes at fraternity events occur all the time. Instead of "Taking Back the Party," perhaps we should focus on "Arresting the Rapists."


When you think about it, it's easy to see why Sabrina Rubin Erdely — the Rolling Stone writer so driven to cover America's allegedly rampant campus "rape culture" that she was willing to play fast and loose with the facts — was so taken by Jackie's story. Jackie, to put it starkly, was the perfect victim. She didn't drink a lot. She wore conservative clothes. She didn't do anything sexual. She was shoved in a room. Her story was black and white. If she was telling the truth, she would be the inarguable victim of an utterly horrible crime.

It was curious, then, to see the fevered retreat of both media and activists into tired and incongruous feminist tropes in response to Jackie's story: the passionate declarations against "slut-shaming" (Seriously, how was that even applicable?); the "no-means-no" chants (Tip: Gang rapists do not care about consent); and the faculty calls for fair and equal party "turf." (Really, an English professor declared this to be crucial.)

It's almost as if modern feminists, earnestly schooled in a cloudy haze of relativism and "rape culture," don't have the words for pure evil — or, more alarmingly, they don't even understand the concept. It's also worth noting that Jackie, repeatedly labeled as too "afraid" or "weak" or "fragile" to file a complaint — an action that theoretically would have protected other women from the same fate — was never called to push for justice. Among feminists, the university, together with the broader "system," was to blame.

Even as it unravels, sympathetic journalists and activists are now arguing that Jackie's story, facts or no facts, reveals an important "truth."

If Jackie was assaulted in some way, let's hope she finds justice and a sense of peace. But with the strange eagerness of the media, academia and feminists to latch onto an over-the-top narrative that was highly questionable from the get-go, it might be fair to stop and wonder who the real purveyors of "rape culture" really are.

The problem is that false accusations largely go unpunished.

Prisons are too full already.

Suppose a woman falsely accuses you of something. Would you want her to face years in prison for backing away from that false accusation?

It you provide the accuser with an out, then the falsely accused person is more likely to avoid an unjust prison term in his own right.

(It's also important not to add to the list of things scaring real rape victims away from reporting that they were raped. They should know that they won't go to prison if they fail to get their rapists convicted.)

The problem is that false accusations largely go unpunished. And being falsely accused is actually worse than being raped.

The remedy for someone who has been intentionally and falsely and maliciously accused is in civil court, where they can bring an action against such an accuser for defamation of character

I'm not in favor of increasing the number of criminal prosecutions of people making false rape accusations. Prisons are too full already.

Which is useless unless the liar has a lot of assets, and even then it will be a lot of years before the wronged guy sees any money. This is not a sufficient remedy, it will not make the vast majority of those harmed whole.

You can be damn sure that I am going to video so that I can prove that consent was never withdrawn. Hopefully I will also record the ongoing enthusiastic yes's that the feminists want.

At least one man would be alive today if the woman who falsely charge that three Duke students gang rape her would had been prosecuted and send to prison instead of being allow to walk free so she could then committed murder.

Re: firefly (Post 5834560)
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You seem to ignore the fact that sexual assault/rape is first and foremost a crime, and the current efforts to address and deal with it,

you use the word "crime" exactly like the priests used to use the word "sin"...it is all decided, we just need to follow along and do as we are told.

And I'm sorry, but getting raped and/or murdered in prison when you're completely innocent...

...men who are viewed as sex offenders are so hated by society, that if a man is thought to be a rapist he is in great danger in his everyday life.