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1 in 5 women get raped?

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2014 08:05 pm
@hawkeye10,
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But here is the thing, we dont get told why the 45% of cases did not get referred for action...

Because strictly she said/he said cases, particularly if she had been drinking, don't get referred for action unless the prosecutor thinks he can win at trial--even when the prosecutor is convinced she is telling the truth. This in no way reflects on the credibility of the complainant, or suggests she might be making a false allegation--it reflects the reality of the difficulty in obtaining rape convictions, particularly in acquaintance rapes, so prosecutors are very selective in what they take to trial.
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And this is what we see over and over again, unfounded assumptions built into the study the skews the results the way the researchers want them skewed. And this is a tactic that we see the feminists employing over and over again, claiming to know something that they in fact do not know.

That is all sheer feminist paranoia on your part. These results are not skewed or biased, nor do you have the background to properly critique or evaluate studies of this type-you expect these researchers to look into the sort of unfounded assumptions you are coming up with. They understand what is relevant to what they are studying, and what is not, you don't. Your complaints of bias, and skewing of the results, would have any serious researcher falling down laughing, if he didn't punch you in the face first for inappropriately impugning his professional ethics.
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This 6% that got proven to be fabrications is almost certainly just the tip of the iceberg.

There is absolutely no factual basis for that statement. You just want to believe that many more women make false accusations than is actually the case.

BTW, were the people who did this study "feminists"? Laughing You just keep getting more and more absurd. Laughing



hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2014 08:20 pm
@firefly,
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Because strictly she said/he said cases, particularly if she had been drinking, don't get referred for action unless the prosecutor thinks he can win at trial--even when the prosecutor is convinced she is telling the truth. This in no way reflects on the credibility of the complainant, or suggests she might be making a false allegation-


. The assumption that none of these complaints are false accusations is an invalid assumption. You can run you mouth all day long and you will not be able to get around this fact.

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There is absolutely no factual basis for that statement
The study comes up short on facts, claims as fact assumptions that are highly likely to be untrue, so making factual statements based upon it is unwise. All we should say is that this is a flawed study, and we need better studies.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2014 08:38 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Re: firefly (Post 5833126)
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that school is under federal investigation for its handing of sexual assault cases quite apart from anything in the RS article



Hawkeye I still do not understand the concept of universities "handling" sexual assault charges/cases as the last I look that is the job of the criminal legal system state/federal not some strange universities base kangaroo court system set up under the guide lines of the Federal government that lack almost all due process protections such as the right to face your accuser and so on.

Hopefully sooner of later the federal court system will wake up and put a stop to all this madness.

Already there had been a lawsuit by a male college student where a federal judge had issue an injunction stopping a university from kicking him out of school due to such a panel order.
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2014 08:45 pm
@hawkeye10,
You really are a pathetic schmuck. You are so desperate to try to find fault with studies, done by reputable researchers, because they don't support your feminist man-bashing paranoia, that you wind up sounding like an idiot.

I'm sure you're not fully convinced the earth isn't flat either. Laughing

Hope you're stocked up on tin foil...
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VvVfHHaDJmY/UXQyk5f5MzI/AAAAAAAAAU8/Yc31OcaTNLk/s1600/tinfoil-hat-2.jpg

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2014 08:47 pm
@BillRM,
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Hawkeye I still do not understand the concept of universities "handling" sexual assault charges/cases

This is not complicated Bill, the justice system is not punishing the numbers of men they want so they had their partners the government parley their role as student loan and grant issuer/guarantor into a demand that could not be refused that the universities set up parallel systems that will make it much easier to pound on men.

This government will regret their decision to go into partnership with the Feminists, not only does this government have more than a full plate of problems already but the citizen abuse taken up at the demand of the feminists will vastly compound the problem of this governments increasing lack of legitimacy.

Right now the Feminists are jumping for joy....MORE VICTIMS FOR US TO MINISTER TOO, MORE MEN POUNDED ON, OH, HAPPY DAYS!
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2014 08:55 pm
@hawkeye10,
Then Hawkeye you have an amusing case at least it is amusing if you are not the male student being kicked out of his university where his accuser ended up being charge by law enforcement with lying to them over the matter and she then went on the run from an arrested warrant.

It took a year before public pressure force the panel/university to reverse itself and allowed the young man back into college.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2014 09:00 pm
@BillRM,
The feminists forgot two things;

1) half the babies women have are male, and they care what happens to them

2) women on campus are already have to deal with too few men on campus and the ones that are there being too timid to have a decent relationship with and good sex.

The feminists assumption that women will cheer their actions was flawed. Already feminism is poorly regarded by women, they just moved up the timeline for their demise through over-reach and willingness to be abusive.
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2014 09:02 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Right now the Feminists are jumping for joy....MORE VICTIMS FOR US TO MINISTER TOO, MORE MEN POUNDED ON, OH, HAPPY DAYS!

What a schmuck you are...At least you're good for laughs...
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2014 09:11 pm
@firefly,
At least there is some objection from individual feminists, they are not all bad, they have not all abandoned the core principles of feminism on the road to fulfilling their lust for power and vengeance.

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A system that is as fundamentally unfair as the one dictated by the DOE -- and increasingly followed by public and private colleges and universities under the threat of losing their funding -- indicates that these proceedings are not meant to, nor are they capable of, determining whether allegations of sexual misconduct are true, or imposing appropriate sanctions to those students who have actually committed sexual assault. Rather, just as in the case of the system it replaced, it is designed to protect the school from risk. The recent policy changes have amplified an environment in which once a student is accused of sexual assault a finding of guilt is nearly guaranteed.

We as feminists are failing if we make our victories dependent on eschewing the fundamental rights and principles our legal system was founded on -- fairness, due process, a presumption of innocence -- in order to obtain findings of guilt in sexual assault cases without regard to the facts of individual cases. A system that is as unfair to accused students as the one currently employed by U.S. colleges and universities lacks legitimacy, and the more people learn about the fundamental unfairness of these systems the more skeptical they will become of accounts of campus sexual assault and any resulting actions by the schools. While the federal government and universities' new approach to sexual assault cases may feel like much-deserved justice for the years of turning a blind eye to sexual assaults of university students, celebrating this trend is shortsighted. If we hang winning or losing this battle on simply increasing the number of students expelled for sexual assault, then we've already lost. As feminists, we should demand better than knee-jerk reactions from the government intended to appease anti-sexual assault activists without truly addressing their demands, and poorly designed university policies intended merely to protect the school's federal funding at the expense of our core democratic values of fairness, due process, and the presumption of innocence. We should be advocating systems that both address the actual needs and rights of sexual assault victims and respect due process and fairness for the accused. The current Title IX system does neither.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-shatz/feminists-we-are-not-winn_b_6071500.html

Naomi R. Shatz is an attorney at Zalkind Duncan & Bernstein LLP in Boston, where she represents students accused of sexual assault across the country. She is a graduate of Barnard College and Yale Law School
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2014 09:17 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Already feminism is poorly regarded by women, they just moved up the timeline for their demise through over-reach and willingness to be abusive.


Perhaps but they have the media on their side who are helping them in selling the picture of a rape culture on and off college campuses along with a large percent of the political leadership up to our current president.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2014 09:21 pm
@BillRM,
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Perhaps but they have the media on their side who are helping them in selling the picture of a rape culture


Have you taken note of how poorly regarded the "journalists" are these days, or of what an atrocious job they do at their craft? Yes it is a problem, but not the problem you think because they have already squandered their credibility.
nononono
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2014 09:28 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Have you taken note of how poorly regarded the "journalists" are these days, or of what an atrocious job they do at their craft? Yes it is a problem, but not the problem you think because they have already squandered their credibility.


Gamergate is still an issue. I think more people are aware now of how biased mainstream journalists are because of gamergate, but there are still a lot of people out there drinking the poison kool aid that they're selling.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2014 09:36 pm
@nononono,
The bias of the media is evidenced in many ways. One of the clearest is constant pronouncement making that the R's are idiots, the R's have lost the people, The R's are going to lose the next election......then they win.

One of the saddest and the day would should have stopped listening to them was the day we realized how they operated over many months as the PR apparatus of the hawks in the WhiteHouse who were working to gin up the invasion of Iraq, which was a huge expensive blunder that they had a big hand in creating.

The elites as a class have been discredited, not only the journalists. I dont think we will need to suffer their abuse lies and incompetence much longer, Americans have had just about enough. If you have been paying attention you have noticed that the American people have been over the last years becoming increasingly pissed off, increasingly towards the government that has failed us, at the elites who never tire of telling us what to do, and at the wealthy who exploit us. It is too late to avoid an eruption.
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2014 09:51 pm
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2 Men Charged With Raping 16-Year-Old Girl At Johns Hopkins Frat
12/04/2014 3
by Tyler Kingkade

Baltimore police said Wednesday that two men have been arrested for the alleged rape of an underaged teenager at a Johns Hopkins University fraternity party in November.

Chaz Haggins, 20, and Ethan Turner, 19, are charged with the rape of a 16-year-old girl at a fraternity party on Nov. 2, according to police. Both men are accused of rape in the first and second degree, and conspiring to commit rape, in addition to other sexual misconduct charges.

The victim reported that during a party at Sigma Alpha Epsilon, the two males raped and sexually assaulted her while she was in the bathroom.

The minor called police after the alleged attack and went to the hospital where she was tested with a blood alcohol level of 0.11. She later identified Haggins and Turner as the suspects, police said.

Police announced the arrests on Dec. 3, and said both men are being held at the Baltimore City Detention Center without bail. Neither is a JHU student.

The university said in a statement that it's pledging its full cooperation with police, and has initiated its own investigation of the fraternity based on reports of underage drinking and other possible violations of university policy. SAE is currently on interim suspension. The chapter did not return request for comment.

"We also have been working with the leadership of all Johns Hopkins fraternities to implement their interim plan for enhancing the safety and well-being of attendees at their social events," said JHU spokesman Dennis O'Shea in a statement. "Our Intrafraternity Council has done good work in responding to this issue."

Following the alleged rape at SAE, fraternities agreed to make parties invitation-only.

JHU is one of 88 colleges and universities under federal investigation for potential Title IX failures related to sexual violence. The university came under scrutiny after it was first revealed by The Huffington Post that it knew about an alleged gang rape at another fraternity, Pi Kappa Alpha, but did not inform students, even as the house continued to hold parties. The university has since pledged to improve how it responds to acts of sexual violence on campus and among students.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/04/rape-johns-hopkins-frat_n_6266588.html
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2014 09:55 pm
@firefly,
Time for Firefly to work feverishly to divert discussion back to individual victims, since her position on sexual abuse policy has been so thoroughly thrashed.

All together now:

THAT POOR THING!

WE GOTTA GET THOSE BASTARDS!

SAVE. THE. VICTIMS!
nononono
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2014 10:05 pm
@hawkeye10,
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The elites as a class have been discredited, not only the journalists. I dont think we will need to suffer their abuse lies and incompetence much longer, Americans have had just about enough. If you have been paying attention you have noticed that the American people have been over the last years becoming increasingly pissed off, increasingly towards the government that has failed us, at the elites who never tire of telling us what to do, and at the wealthy who exploit us. It is too late to avoid an eruption.


Amen.
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nononono
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2014 10:09 pm
@firefly,
firefly, I just started a new thread that I hope you'll have a look at. Mostly just so that you read the article I attached. Maybe that will give you some insight into both the frustrations that arise from, and the social consequences of demonizing men through things like phoney baloney rape hysteria.

And hawkeye, you should read it too.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2014 10:09 pm
@hawkeye10,
In case it has not been noticed Firefly needs us to cry over victims, she needs our brains to be over run with the revulsion of what happens to victims so that we dont have any room to talk our nations bad policy, so that she can bury this truth under the rug.

This is what people do who cant make the truth work to get what they want, those who cant spin the truth into convincing arguments, they make a manipulative call upon our emotions instead.

Only chumps fall for it.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2014 10:14 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Time for Firefly to work feverishly to divert discussion back to individual victims


Victims?

I assume Firefly is not talking about the likes of the three Duke players falsely charge with gang rape or the U-VA college fraternity members falsely charge with a gang rape either?

Or the college student kicked out of his university for a year while his accuser was on the run from the law/police for falsely charging him with a crime for that matter.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 6 Dec, 2014 11:16 pm
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For survivors of sexual assault in particular, Campbell said the chronological order of events, and specific details are often unclear in their memories.

"When a victim's recounting a story of sexual assault, we would at a minimum expect some jumping back and forth," she said. "It's not a simple process to describe, but disordered presentation, fuzziness of some details, and some things — particularly very specific, what we call 'context cues,' could be inaccurate. Specific time, specific dates, specific physical scene details — those would all be very vulnerable to not getting encoded correctly in memory, particularly if alcohol and drugs were on board in the victim's system.


http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update/2014/1206/What-UVA-journalists-take-away-from-Rolling-Stone-apology

Michigan State University Psychology Prof. Rebecca Campbell

The feminists peg the legal reform on sexual assault on the say so of victims, who science says can not be expected to have their brains aligned with reality??!!

Even if this is so it is nuts. More likely what we have here as a regurgitation of the long running feminist argument that if a woman feels like she was raped then she was raped, end of discussion..... convict the son of a bitch.

A violation of the Constitution for sure, not that this matters to the feminists natch.
 

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