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2004 Elections: Democratic Party Contenders

 
 
timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2003 03:41 pm
Lola, you're one of the good ones. A little misguided, perhaps Twisted Evil , but a good one nonetheless. I sincerely hope there are enough of your type to eventually help swing The Democrats back into participation in the 2-Party System.

c.i., I don't mean to lable you in particular an elitist; I truly don't think you are. I merely siezed on your comment to make a point relevant to the disconnect between The Left and The Electorate.
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BillW
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2003 03:52 pm
I think you sit in a tower timber, the disconnect is apparent.............
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2003 04:07 pm
Well, its official; Wes finally has come out of the closet and openly revealed himself to be the Clinton's tool:

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http://www.newsday.com/images/nynews/logo.gif
Clark's New TV Ad Features Bill Clinton

By LIZ SIDOTI
Associated Press Writer

December 29, 2003, 2:54 PM EST


WASHINGTON -- Democratic presidential hopeful Wesley Clark's new television commercial includes a clip of him and Bill Clinton. It's the first ad of the 2004 campaign to include an image of the former president, arguably America's most popular Democrat ...


BillW, tower or no tower, I see little reason, given current indicators, to expect anything other than debacle in '04 for The Democrats. A lot can change over the next 11 months, to be sure. I just don't expect significant comfort to fall to The Opposition, nor do I foresee significant inconvenience falling to The Current Administration.
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BillW
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2003 04:09 pm
Good, that's the way you should be; and, stay that way...........
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2003 04:14 pm
Hey, Bill!

(timber's just upset that Wisconsin --and the majority of the nation -- is going Dem in '04.) :wink:
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2003 04:15 pm
I expect to, Bill, I expect to. Not that I'm complacent; '04 is critical in the laying of the groundwork for the '06 midterms. There's much yet to be done.
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BillW
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2003 04:17 pm
Why worry, you sound like it's a shoe in.............. Everone one who isn't a Repub should just give up the ghost and realize that we are going totally Fascist Exclamation
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2003 04:45 pm
Election 2004 will be a referendum on Bush, and the agenda items will be the jobless recovery, massive deficits, and heavy casualties in Iraq.

Votes will be cast for the Bush record, or against the Bush record.

I kinda like The Opposition's Prospects. Cool
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BillW
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2003 05:18 pm
Hush PD, you may get'm down out of their towers Cool
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2003 06:56 pm
PDid, Mericans don't care about the "jobless recovery, huge deficits, and heavy casualties in Iraq." If they did, GW's approval rating would be going down instead of up.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2003 09:19 pm
Bush's approval rating is only going up because of the orange thing. As Timber points out, we have 11 more months. I sure hope GW isn't re-elected. It makes me sick to think about it.

Hi Timber, and thanks for the compliment. I've missed you and all.........I've been overly busy. But I think I'm back now.
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jjorge
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2003 09:27 pm
timberlandko wrote:



"...I sincerely hope there are enough of your type to eventually help swing The Democrats back into participation in the 2-Party System..."





timber,

Care to explain what you meant by this?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2003 09:32 pm
Lola, Bush's approval rating is going up because 1) all the financial pundits are saying our economy is growing (as proved by the stock market's new highs), 2) Saddam was caught, 3) the new drug benefit (that the insurance and drug companies will benefit while bankrupting medicare for the baby-boomers), 4) we haven't had a terrorist attack in the US since nine-eleven, and 5) all the democrats are fighting amongst themselves.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 29 Dec, 2003 10:11 pm
jjorge*197982* wrote:
timber,

Care to explain what you meant by this?


Sure; it seems to me that The Democrats are opting out of meaningful participation in the political process ... marginalizing themselves. That of course is just my opinion, but its the way I see things going. Frankly, I'm not all that happy about it. I would much prefer the presentation of a reasoned alternative consistent with contemporary conditions and trends. Stolen Election, Evil Administration, War Disaster, Economic Crisis, and Civil Liberty Threats are not rallying cries likely to resonate with a majority of voters this time around. Lola does take a somewhat broader view, something I find uncharacteristic of many on The Left.

Oh, and c.i., I'd say still a majority of "financial pundits" remain cautious on the economy, but I point out that the stock market's performance has been driven by broad economic news such as increased profits, the recent upsurge in business spending, falling inventories, rising orders, falling unemployment, solid consumer sentiment and performance, low inflation, and enhanced tax benefits, among other things. The War on Terrorism and The War in Iraq are proceeding fairly well, all things considered, though there remain, as promised 2 years ago, grave danger and great effort for the foreseeable future. I expect The Medicare Bill will get plenty of tinkering and adjusting before it begins to kick in well after the coming election, and I really don't see it "bankrupting medicare for the baby-boomers" at all. To date there has been no attack on US soil since 9/11, but that could change at any time. Should one occur, I suspect it will play against The Opposition, particularly if it is accompanied by attacks elsewhere globally. I do worry that credibility alone demands al Queda attempt something significant in the near-term, and the Baathists and Jihadists in Iraq, as well as the Jihadists in Pakistan and Afghanistan, to say nothing of Saudi Arabia, desperately need very soon to show they are still capable of effective action; that is very troubling indeed. We are engaged in a war, and one thing one should expect from an enemy is the unexpected. Still, I'm reasonably certain their freedom of action has been severely curtailed, and that they face increasing challenge and difficulty. On your fifth point, I agree totally, but that too will change, likely well before the Democratic Convention. I don't, at this time, see any reason to expect The Democrats will achieve any significant electoral success in November, regardless their eventual candidate.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Tue 30 Dec, 2003 01:00 am
We all have our rose colored glasses, providing a vision for the future that will be favorable to our own desires. There's still a good chance that a man like GW will find a way to hang himself with only a short peice of rope. Here's hoping and sending money.........but to whom? We'll soon see. I think I'm betting on the Clintons and their man. Who I would like it to be may be different that the candidate that it has to be. I think the Clintons have excellent political savy........so I'll bet with them.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 30 Dec, 2003 01:34 am
Lola, I think you're on the right track. "Excellent political savy" is just what the doctor ordered. The current multitudes running now has very little to zilch. Wink
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Tue 30 Dec, 2003 06:58 am
Not that it will mean much to recent posters:

Willie Nelson, Bonnie Raitt, Michael McDonald, Pat Simmons of The Doobie Brothers, Tim Reynolds, Michelle Shocked, and Tish Hinojosa will host a benefit concert for none other than Dennis Kucinich this Saturday in Austin.

Remember some months ago (before he was all that) Howard Dean drew three thousand people on a weeknight in Austin?

General Clark is also polling well and raising a lot of money in Texas (I know this from first-hand experience).

Lordy, they's lotsa Texans ain't gonna vote for Dubya... Cool
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Tue 30 Dec, 2003 07:35 am
Nationally, and in Arizona::

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Retired Gen. Wesley Clark's presidential campaign received a double boost Monday with a new poll out showing him second to front-runner Howard Dean in the Democratic primary race and news of strong donations to his campaign coffers.

A Newsweek poll released Monday showed Dean in the lead, with 26 percent of registered Democrats and self-defined "Democratic leaners" picking the former Vermont governor for the nomination. Fifteen percent would choose Clark. The margin of error is plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Clark also came in second in the money race and will have raised $10 million to $12 million in the fourth quarter, for a total of almost $15 million, according to wire service reports.

Dean will have raised more than $14 million in the final three months, pushing his yearly total to almost $40 million.

Clark will get an additional bump after the start of the new year with an estimated $3.7 million of federal matching money, while Dean has declined public funds.

The latest scientific poll in Arizona, released by Northern Arizona University on Dec. 15, said Dean had the support of 22 percent of Arizona Democrats, compared with 12 percent for runner-up Clark. The margin of error was 4.9 percentage points.

Arizona's Democratic primary will be Feb. 3.


From pollingreport.com, ABC News/Washington Post poll 12/18-21 has:

Dean 31
Gephardt 9
Lieberman 8
Kerry 8
Clark 7
Edwards 5
Sharpton, Braun 4
Kucinich 2

and CBS News 12/21,22 has it...

Dean 16
Clark 10
Gephardt 9
Lieberman 6
Braun 6
Edwards 5
Kerry 4
Sharpton, Kucinich 2
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 30 Dec, 2003 09:16 am
Nationwide, Bush lead double-digit across-the-board, beats even "Un-named Democrat"

http://www.pollingreport.com/images/CBS-BvsD.GIF

Click the graph for the rest of the story.
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BillW
 
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Reply Tue 30 Dec, 2003 09:34 am
I have no idea who "Un-named Democrat" is, I know I would never vote for the "unPresident" Bush - period! Would actually consider it a vote for the "Un-named EVIL"!
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