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2004 Elections: Democratic Party Contenders

 
 
timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2003 09:08 am
Arnold will have much occasion to consider the aphorism "Be careful what you wish for; you just might get it". There is buzz too about a Democrat plan, already funded to the tune of millioms of dollars, to mount a "Recall Arnold" campaign. Should they actually mount such a campaign, I believe it would serve to validate the "Sore/Loserman" lable quite handily. With freinds like themselves, The Democrats have little need for external enemies.

And it would appear the tide is lapping at the clay below Clark's pants cuffs, wouldn't it?
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Brand X
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2003 09:20 am
Given this map, do they really have a case?

2003 California Statewide Special Election
Shall Gray Davis be recalled?



Explanation: "Yes" and "No" are each identified with a color/pattern combination (see legend).
The color/pattern combination in each county indicates whether the majority of voters in that county voted "Yes" or "No".

The number in each county indicates the percentage by which the majority of voters voted "Yes" or "No" in that county.

http://vote2003.ss.ca.gov/Returns/recall/mapN4031008081057.gif
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2003 09:21 am
Quote:
here is buzz too about a Democrat plan, already funded to the tune of millioms of dollars, to mount a "Recall Arnold" campaign.

To quote one of my favourite philosophers, Sylvester P. Cat: Desthshpicable!
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sumac
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2003 09:42 am
LOL. But there are issues here. Is it really right to recall someone elected by the people just recently?

I don't think the Dems should touch that issue with however millions they have.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2003 09:56 am
Heh ... funny.

I saw this joke before, without the "large quantity of hot air" quip, but it was different: it had "one balloonist" (or whatever that is in English) and "another balloonist", and then the punchlione was, "you must be a man" vs. "you must be a woman".

Interesting, really, considering the Republicans do better among men and the Democrats do better among women.

timberlandko wrote:
Warning: The following is a joke.

A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost. She lowered altitude and spotted a man in a boat below. She shouted to him, "Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don't know where I am."

The man consulted his portable GPS and replied, "You're in a hot air balloon approximately 30 feet above a ground elevation of 2,346 feet above sea level. You are 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude."

She rolled her eyes and said, "You must be a Republican."

"I am," replied the man. "How did you know?"

"Well," answered the balloonist, "everything you told me is technically correct, but I have no idea what to make of your information, and I'm still lost. Frankly, you've not been much help to me."

The man smiled and responded, "You must be a Democrat."

"I am," replied the balloonist. "How did you know?"

"Well," said the man, "you have no idea where you are or where you're going. You've risen to where you are due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise that you have no idea how to keep, and you expect ME to solve your problem. You're in EXACTLY the same position you were in before we met, but somehow, now it's MY fault!
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2003 10:07 am
timberlandko wrote:
There is buzz too about a Democrat plan, already funded to the tune of millioms of dollars, to mount a "Recall Arnold" campaign.


That would be unwise (and I think improbable). At the very least they'd have to wait until Arnold's made some serious mistakes.

I mean, I do think the "recall" logic, now that the genie's out of the bottle, will be repeated (kinda like with the TX redistricting) - now that its been used against (a) Democrat(s) they'll be likely to use it back. So welcome to an age of slightlymore anarchic politics.

But against Arnold, right now, they'd stand little chance yet. The recall succeeded against Davis because he was already so impopular as a person, and resentment had been building up for some time. You gotta give Arnold time to fail, first, and only then start thinking about a recall again, otherwise it'll just look like you're a sore loser. And before he's had the chance to do much wrong, itll be 2004 and the Democrats wont want the trouble of a recall campaign to interfere with the Presidential campaign ... so my bet is that he'll be safe till 2005.

(I'd also wager my own miniprediction against Timber's that there wont be significant legal challenges to the vote from the Democrats - the margin is too wide, and the party-top will squash any attempt within the party to launch such challenges exactly b/c it would only yield negative publicity).
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BillW
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2003 10:19 am
There is a bitter taste in the electorates mouths that is getting more and more bitter!
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fishin
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2003 11:03 am
nimh wrote:
I mean, I do think the "recall" logic, now that the genie's out of the bottle, will be repeated (kinda like with the TX redistricting) - now that its been used against (a) Democrat(s) they'll be likely to use it back. So welcome to an age of slightlymore anarchic politics.


The genie has been out of the bottle for some time. Recalls have been attempted in CA 31 times now. This was just the first case where they actually managed to get enough signatures to force the recall vote.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2003 11:06 am
If the dems attempts a recall on Ahnold, 90 percent of Californian's will be so pissed off, they won't vote another dem into office. They will be seen as rabble-rousers that only creates hovoc in our political system. What will happen is that the state legislature will become a majority GOP Ofcoarse, in a democracy, they can attempt anything they wish.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2003 11:08 am
Cool Walking Smiley Man speaks sooth.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2003 12:16 pm
Republican Ca Governors Pete Wilson and Ronald Reagan were confronted with several recall efforts, none of which came even close to gathering sufficient voter interest even to be considered.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2003 12:23 pm
Do you 'recall' why those recalls were instigated?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2003 12:46 pm
I would guess that in all actuality this recall and election of arnold is not really a good omen for Bush, Arnold did not run on a repub party platform and did run on an outsider/non politico reform sans the repub party line, Bush is still pushing the same platform and is a firmed up insider.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2003 12:51 pm
There's a huge difference between GWBush and Ahnold; like night and day. Ahnold's message is he's going to work for everybody in California irregardless of party affiliation, race, religion, rich and poor, and everybody else in between. GWBush's message has been quite clear; he works for the rich and famous.
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sumac
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2003 01:19 pm
Like, when?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2003 02:55 pm
sumac, If you still haven't seen it, there's no way in this world I'm gonna be able to explain it.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2003 03:21 pm
Dean Tied to Felonious Vandalism

Quote:
Big Break Goes Bust
Publicity leads to vandalism charges for graffiti artist


By Wil Cruz
STAFF WRITER

October 8, 2003


A big break may have turned into a big bust for a Manhattan graffiti artist who created a backdrop for presidential candidate Howard Dean's visit to Bryant Park this summer.

Blake Lethem - aka KEO - was arrested Monday on an outstanding warrant from 1999, police said. Lethem, 36, and six others are accused of vandalizing nine subway cars at 148th Street and Lenox Avenue. He was charged with one count of criminal mischief in the third degree, a felony.


Yeah, its really meaningless, but its funny.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2003 04:37 pm
fishin' wrote:
The genie has been out of the bottle for some time. Recalls have been attempted in CA 31 times now. This was just the first case where they actually managed to get enough signatures to force the recall vote.


But dont you think a succesful one will elicit many times more new recall attempts than would have been tried otherwise?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2003 04:41 pm
nimh, I doubt that another recall of Ahnold would be seen as a good political strategy. Ahnold won 49 percent of the votes, and that includes dems and moderates that voted - including women. Anybody that stirs the pot now is gonna backfire on them.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2003 04:44 pm


Am I glad you dont write the headlines for no paper, Timber ...

Though you could consider an application with The Sun or something, of course. They appreciate that kind of choice of words ...

On an aside, what kind of punishment would a graffiti kid like that be in for in America?
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