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California adopts 'yes means yes' sexual assault rule

 
 
Miller
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2014 07:08 am
@Miller,
Do you remember the famous quote from the movie "Chinatown" about
Chinese sex? Smile
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firefly
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2014 02:39 pm
Quote:

Cuomo Orders SUNY to Adopt ‘Yes Means Yes’ Policy on Campus Sex
Oct 3, 2014

Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo has instructed the State University of New York to overhaul its approach to preventing sexual assault, including by making “affirmative consent” the rule on all 64 of the system’s campuses, The New York Times reports.

Mr. Cuomo announced the change at a news conference in Manhattan and said it would be put into effect within the next 60 days.

The affirmative-consent standard, also referred to as “yes means yes,” will put New York on the same path as California in dealing with sexual assault on college campuses. California’s governor signed into law this week a bill that requires colleges there that receive state funds to adopt that standard.

Previously, SUNY’s campuses have each crafted their own sexual-assault policies without regard for the policies on the other campuses. Many of them already require some form of affirmative consent, but often with varying degrees of specificity.
http://chronicle.com/blogs/ticker/cuomo-orders-suny-to-adopt-yes-means-yes-policy-on-campus-sex/87355


Quote:
Cuomo Orders SUNY to Overhaul Its Sexual Assault Rules
By ARIEL KAMINER
OCT. 2, 2014

Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo said on Thursday that he had instructed the State University of New York to overhaul its approach to preventing, investigating and prosecuting sexual assault, including making affirmative consent the rule on all 64 of its campuses.

Mr. Cuomo, announcing the change at a news conference in Manhattan, said SUNY’s new approach, which is to be put into effect in the next 60 days, would eventually lead to a statewide law regulating sexual assault policies at all New York colleges and universities.

Calling campus sexual assault a national epidemic, the governor said: “This is Harvard and Yale and Princeton, Albany and Buffalo and Oswego. It is not SUNY’s problem by origination. I would suggest it should be SUNY’s problem to solve and SUNY’s place to lead.”

SUNY’s approach resembles that recently set by California, by defining consent as an affirmative act, in which both partners must express their desire to engage in each sexual act. Previous consent is not sufficient, and people who are physically helpless, mentally incapacitated or asleep are considered unable to consent at all.

“Consent is clear, knowing and voluntary,” the SUNY rules will say. “Consent is active, not passive.

Silence, in and of itself, cannot be interpreted as consent.”

Consent need not be verbal, but it must be unambiguous and mutual. “Consent to any one form of sexual activity cannot automatically imply consent to any other forms of sexual activity,” the rules will say.

The proposed changes also include a Sexual Assault Victims’ Bill of Rights, a simple and widely distributed document to inform victims of their right to go to the police, as well as campus security, with complaints; a promise of immunity for students who report sexual assault but who might have been violating laws or campus rules, like the prohibition on under-age drinking; a statewide program to train college officials on how to prevent assaults and respond to them when they do occur; and an education campaign for students and parents alike.

The consent policy alone represents a major change, not just in sexual dynamics but also in dynamics among SUNY campuses, which until now have been left to hammer out their own sexual assault policies without regard for the policies at the other 63 schools. Many of them already require some form of affirmative consent, but often with varying degrees of specificity.

At SUNY Adirondack, a community college in Queensbury, consent is defined in a single paragraph — and further distilled to this concise bottom line: “Clear, unambiguous and voluntary agreement between the
participants to engage in specific sexual activity.”

At SUNY Brockport, the document defining the college’s interpretation runs across pages, with 21 bullet points. Brockport offers students tips like “Good suggestions for gaining consent” (“Is it O.K. if I take off my pants?”) and “the ‘Dude’ Routine,” a way to check in on friends you fear may need assistance at a party. “Knock or slightly open a closed door and with any excuse starting with ‘dude’ (it somehow makes it more believable) to check the situation,” the guide advises. “ ‘Dude, I thought this was the bathroom.’ ”

Linda Fairstein, the novelist and former sex crimes prosecutor, will serve as a special adviser to the university system while it puts the changes into effect.

SUNY encompasses almost a half-million students, at two-year community institutions and colleges with bachelor’s and graduate programs. Excluding the community colleges, the university reported 238 sexual assault complaints among 219,000 students during the 2013-14 academic year.

To explain the need for these policies, Mr. Cuomo — who pointed out that he is the father of three girls — cited statistics on how many college women are victimized and how many do not report the assaults, and called the numbers “breathtaking.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/03/nyregion/cuomo-orders-suny-to-overhaul-its-sexual-assault-rules.html?ref=education
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2014 02:51 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
The controversy over Gov. Cuomo's defunct corruption-fighting commission is taking a deep bite out of his poll numbers -- and New Yorkers are now more likely to say he's part of the ethics problem than the solution, a Quinnipiac survey out Wednesday finds.

Fully half of voters in the new poll say they disapprove of the way the incumbent Democrat is handling government ethics, while only 39% say he's doing the right thing


http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/voters-gov-cuomo-part-new-york-corruption-problem-solution-quinnipiac-poll-blog-entry-1.1909878
One Eyed Mind
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2014 02:58 pm
@hawkeye10,
It looks like they nipped it in the bud at the right time. Just imagine if time went on longer and that 39% was in the 50%'s, or 60%'s.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2014 03:11 pm
Interesting article on BBC News24 today.

Quote:
The BBC Pop Up team has spent all of September living in a house right on the edge of the Boulder campus of Colorado University. The issue of sexual assaults at US colleges was raised repeatedly by students we met.

It is a national problem, with studies showing that one in five women will be victims during their time at university.

And it is a serious problem at CU-Boulder too. The college is on the White House's list of schools suspected of Title IX violations - that's a law guaranteeing that women in federally-funded universities won't face discrimination due to their gender.

Over 70 schools, including CU-Boulder, are accused of have improperly dealt with sexual assault cases, and are now the target of a federal investigation.

While sexual assault is not a problem specific to fraternities, studies have shown that on college campuses, men who join a fraternity are three times more likely to rape than other men.

The White House launched a campaign last week called "It's On Us". The initiative is aimed at encouraging male students to intervene to stop abusive behaviour.

Will curbing fraternity culture help prevent college rapes? Or are they easy targets for a more complex problem?

Benjamin Zand investigated the role fraternity culture plays in sexual assault at CU-Boulder.


Follow the link for the report. (Don't know if it plays in America though.)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-29388149
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2014 03:17 pm
@hawkeye10,
Laughing Laughing Laughing

It's not bad enough you post irrelevant nonsense, having absolutely nothing to do with this topic, you don't even bother to read it carefully or understand it.
Quote:
Despite the souring views of his ability to muck out the Albany cesspool, Cuomo is still wrecking all challengers in the Democratic primary and November general election, Quinnipiac found in the latest survey.
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/voters-gov-cuomo-part-new-york-corruption-problem-solution-quinnipiac-poll-blog-entry-1.1909878

Cuomo isn't worried about getting re-elected. Laughing

He's just another one of those powerful, influential male "feminists" you don't want to acknowledge Laughing. Guess he might be one of the men who's not scared witless of females, is able to actually ask them what they want and don't want, and is concerned that they not be sexually abused.
One Eyed Mind
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2014 03:24 pm
@firefly,
Someone in power that doesn't want to be re-elected?

I think my brain just went limp.
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2014 03:43 pm
@One Eyed Mind,
Oh, Cuomo wants to be re-elected, but all indications are that he will be re-elected, and that's been true for some time. This new policy at SUNY really is unconnected to that, it is intended to reduce sexual assaults on state campuses.

Although women do vote.Wink Do you hear many women objecting to men actually knowing, and inquiring about what they want and don't want? How can you best know what's unwanted, or unpleasant, or distasteful, or even just what she doesn't want to do with you, if you don't ask first? It's actually just a common sense policy.
One Eyed Mind
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2014 03:54 pm
@firefly,
Yes, common sense.

The fact that we have laws to protect us from not using common sense, is foreshadowing how little common sense is in this world and how common sense is not at all common.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2014 04:09 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
It is a national problem, with studies showing that one in five women will be victims during their time at university.


Bullshit as anyone who had look at the games the feminist women studies professors used to come up with that number of either one in four or one in five women as victims of sexual assaults.

They define sexual assaults to include such women who had reply that they had feel pressure to have sex with a boyfriend when they was not in the mood.

People who had look in details at those surveys had found that the vast majority of women listed as being sexual assault victims do not consider themselves to had been sexual assaulted and a large percent of them have ongoing relationships with the very men who the surveys consider to had been their attackers.

Quote:

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2013/10/24/statistics-dont-back-up-claims-about-rape-culture

The Bureau of Justice Statistics' "Violent Victimization of College Students" report tells a different and more plausible story about campus culture. During the years surveyed, 1995-2002, the DOJ found that there were six rapes or sexual assaults per thousand per year. Across the nation's four million female college students, that comes to about one victim in forty students. Other DOJ statistics show that the overall rape rate is in sharp decline: since 1995, the estimated rate of female rape or sexual assault victimizations has decreased by about 60 percent.

Of course, there are still far too many college women who are victims of sexual assault. But there's little evidence to support the claim that campus rape is an "epidemic," as Yale student activist Alexandra Brodsky recently wrote in the Guardian.

Bolstered by inflated statistics and alarmist depictions of campus culture, advocates have been successful in initiating policy changes designed to better protect victims of sexual violence. Duke, Swarthmore, Amherst, Emerson and the University of North Carolina are among the many institutions that have recently reviewed and revised their policies. It is not clear that these policies have made campuses safer places for women, but they have certainly made them treacherous places for falsely accused men.
One Eyed Mind
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2014 04:15 pm
@BillRM,
1/5 doesn't make sense.

That's a lot of women. Which means a lot of secrets. Which means a lot of atmospheric density between females.

It doesn't make sense. By this logic, you would come across many women who don't seem... "normal" like the others who haven't been a victim yet. But you don't. You come across a small few that has something dragging them down.

I think people are down voting you because they take their opinion more seriously than the events in question.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2014 04:26 pm
@One Eyed Mind,
What I find interesting is that my bet is that most of the women on this website had been college students themselves so they should know better then that one in four or one in five of their fellow woman classmates have been victims of rape during their undergraduates years.

Hell there would need to be as must rapes going on to match the Red Army rapes of the women of Berlin at the end of world war two going on day in and day out to get those crazy numbers.
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2014 04:31 pm
@BillRM,
Why is any amount of sexual assault of college women or men acceptable to you?
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firefly
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2014 04:45 pm
One arrest, and two reports of suspected sexual assault, just in the past week alone at UC Berkeley...all of them involving fraternity house locations.

Quote:
Police arrest UC Berkeley student in sexual assault reported at fraternity
By Natalie Neysa Alund and Karina Ioffee
Bay Area News Group

10/03/2014 11:26

BERKELEY -- A 20-year-old UC Berkeley student has been arrested on suspicion of sexually assaulting a woman at a fraternity house last weekend, police said Friday.

Eugene Quillen, 20, who police said lives at the Delta Upsilon fraternity in the 2400 block of Warring Street, was arrested Thursday night, Berkeley Police Department Lt. Ed Spiller said.

Police did not say where the alleged assault took place, only that it occurred on Sept. 27 at a fraternity south of campus. The victim was intoxicated at the time of the assault, according to police.Quillen was jailed on $100,000 bail on Friday.

The arrest comes on the heels of two other reported sexual assaults that took place Sept. 27 -- also at two south-of-campus fraternities, Spiller said.

The other two attacks remained under investigation on Friday.

UC Berkeley police released few details about the attacks, declining to reveal the age and sex of the victims or to say whether they are students. UC Berkeley Police Lt. Eric Tejada said the Berkeley Police Department is handling the incidents because they occurred off-campus. On Friday, fraternity houses on Piedmont Avenue blared music as bare-chested young men lounged on their front decks, chatting with friends and visitors.

Maddie Green, 19, who was visiting one of the fraternities, said she hadn't heard about the incidents, but wasn't too worried for her own safety.

"I just make sure to get my own drink and not drink too much," she said. "You have to be smart about it."

Jessica Tarlton, 21, said she had heard about the recent incidents, but thought that sororities and other campus groups were proactive in preventing assaults.

"You hear sororities tell their members all the time to go in groups and be careful with drinks," she said. "They do a lot to make sure students stay safe."

In its statement, campus police also asked students not to leave drinks unattended and to be wary of accepting drinks from people they don't know well. They also said that if someone starts to exhibit symptoms of being dosed with a date-rape drug they should seek medical help immediately. Signs include dizziness and nausea, memory loss, breathing and motion difficulties, and acting disproportionately intoxicated relative to the amount of alcohol consumed.

Last week, Gov. Jerry Brown signed a new bill requiring sexual partners on college campuses to give "affirmative, conscious, and voluntary agreement," meaning that a "yes" by someone who is drunk or drugged does not count as consent. The bill will also require colleges to provide victims with confidential reporting, counseling and access to a victim advocates.

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_26657546/police-investigate-3-sex-assaults-reported-at-uc
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One Eyed Mind
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2014 04:50 pm
@BillRM,
Bill, just tell me right now. Did the source really say "1/4 or 1/5", because if they did, they lost all credibility - that's disregarding the already illogical assertions of 1/5.

There's a huge difference between 1/4 and 1/5 - if they couldn't pick which one, they made it up.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2014 05:12 pm
@BillRM,
You always had a problem with studies, statistics, evidence, facts......you always like to impose your own twisted definition, for whatever reason, instead of looking at something for what it is.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2014 05:21 pm
@One Eyed Mind,
My friend I do not see how the difference between twenty percents of all woman( one in five) or twenty five percents (one in four ) of all women are huge.

Currently the rape crisis crowd is stating that twenty percents of all women college students are victims of sexual assaults however some of the earlier phony surveys came up with the twenty five percents number.

But whether it is 20 or 25 percents it is complete nonsense on it face.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2014 05:23 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
You always had a problem with studies, statistics, evidence, facts......you always like to impose your own twisted definition, for whatever reason, instead of looking at something for what it is.


An you are always eager to accept figures that on their face are nonsense and you do not even take the time to look at where and how those numbers was deride in the first place.
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One Eyed Mind
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2014 05:30 pm
@BillRM,
Let me tell you something interesting.

Einstein could create a nuclear bomb because he didn't skimp the numbers.

Tesla could create the greatest electrical conductor in the history of humanity because he didn't skimp the numbers.

If Einstein or Tesla skimped the numbers, they wouldn't have inventions today.

Are you telling me that you're willing to accept that some idiots who can't even get their facts straight are fine because they can't tell whether it is 20% or 25% considering it's not 1~100 - it's a bigger number, which means it's more evident if it's 1/4 or 1/5?

The numbers are right there. For an example, let's say I come up with numbers like... 2387 people; out of this number, 503 of them masturbate with their eyes closed.

Now, what is this? It's 1/4th. If I said 1/5th, let's see what happens... Well, will you look at that; I just went to 2,500 by changing the fraction, despite the fact that... the number is 2387.

There's no excuse for their fraction mix up.
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2014 05:41 pm
And, at some campuses in Massachusetts recently...
Quote:

Another sexual assault reported at Stonehill College
By Trisha Thadani
Globe correspondent
October 02, 2014

Another woman at Stonehill College in Easton has come forward to report that she was sexually assaulted by a fellow student on two separate occasions.

It was the second report this week of a sexual assault at the school and added to a string of similar allegations at campuses around the state recently, authorities said.

Stonehill College Police Chief Peter Carnes issued a statement Wednesday evening notifying students that a woman reported Tuesday that she had been sexually assaulted on two occasions about four weeks ago in a residence hall.

The alleged victim said she knew the student who assaulted her, but “she has chosen to exercise her right not to provide the accused student’s name at this time,” according to the statement.

RELATED: Student reports sexual assault at Stonehill College

Martin McGovern, a Stonehill spokesman, said the notification by police was issued in compliance with the Clery Act, which requires colleges and universities to issue timely warnings about crimes such as sexual assaults that present a serious continuing threat to students and employees.

“Ultimately, we felt it was important to give our students as much information as possible in these cases,” McGovern said.

In a separate case, another female student told campus police Sunday that she had been attacked at about 2 a.m. that day on a pathway at the college, McGovern said.

“A criminal investigation [for Sunday’s report] is active and ongoing, and there have been no major developments,” McGovern said.

A number of sexual assaults have been reported recently on campuses around the state.

Bridgewater State University officials were sharply criticized Wednesday for their decision to keep quiet about two alleged rapes that occurred there in September.

Sexual assaults have also been reported in the past two weeks at Framingham State University, Massasoit Community College, Curry College, and Worcester State University.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/10/02/another-student-steps-forward-with-sex-assault-report-stonehill/Ty00Reg57HDMIcwBIrLyAM/story.html

And it's important to note that most of these reports do not even include a name of a specific attacker, they are reports of sexual attacks that targeted them, for campus crime reporting.
 

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