California adopts 'yes means yes' sexual assault rule

@hawkeye10,

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Even with men this is a problem, there are lots of sex acts that sometimes I like and sometimes I dont, if my wife had to ask all I could say is "maybe, I dont know, we could try it".

But it's her asking, and your willingness to try it, that constitutes affirmative consent--so there is communication going on. And, if you or she don't pay attention to "No"that's spousal sexual abuse.

And if she is bound and gagged, without her consent, so she is unable to protest or resist, you have no legitimate or legal reason to believe consent is present at all, because she is prevented from doing such things.

http://images.elephantjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/rapebook.jpg

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It's not up to you decide what kinds of sexual contacts are wanted by other people or not--people have the right to decide these for themselves, and to have their boundaries upheld, and the laws empower them to do that--that's the point of consent requirements.

And these laws protect both genders from assault, and homosexual individuals as well as heterosexual individuals, and people who are familiar with each other from those who barely know each other at all. The intention is to provide deterrent effects to prevent sexual assaults on anyone.

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@hawkeye10,

Hawkeye this "law" is ideal to someone like Firefly as no couple is going to be following this silliness, being so against human nature, that anytime a woman is unhappy about some sexual interaction on a college campus no matter if it is completely consensus or not she can have him thrown out of college,

After all even those it was consensus and there is no way that he can be found guilt of a crime in a real court he did not obey the state imposed college rule to get a formal yes before the sex act so out he go.

Take note that the state legislators did not apply this silliness to the criminal laws for everyone but only to force colleges to adopted this silliness as a rule to be imposed on male college students.

This is a war on our young men and heterosexual sex on college campuses.

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@BillRM,

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as no couple is going to be following this silliness

Do the feminists honestly think that people will conform to their utopia, or is it rather that the goal here is to make having sex even more a experience of Russian Roulette for men than it already is in the attempt to tame us? I have not decided, for while the feminists are acting delusional thus the former would be the best bet they have a long history of imposing their will through deceptive force, which would make the latter the best bet.

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@firefly,

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-people have the right to decide these for themselves, and to have their boundaries upheld,

it is very clearly an act of criminalizing choosing to not have boundaries, no longer can a woman tell a man "do whatever you want". Hell, she cant even say " take the lead and I will follow" anymore.

The feminists are actively killing the dance of erotic intimacy, they are on purpose sucking the fun out of sex.

****. THEM! and their government coconspirators.

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@hawkeye10,

Hawkeye if the only way to have legal consensual sex is to get a formal yes then most men are and have been rapists including the very state legislators who passed this silliness aim at college students.

The men hating feminists seems to be on their way to defining all heterosexual sex as rape by going one step at a time.

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@BillRM,

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The men hating feminists seems to be on their way to defining all heterosexual sex as rape by going one step at a time.

this law criminalizes huge chunks of routinely practiced homosexual sex as well, it is not an anti hetrosexual sex law it is an anti sex law. The difference is only that in cases of hetrosexual sex it will almost always be the guy who gets the tag abuser, the females will walk away with the victim tag.

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@hawkeye10,

It has not escaped my attention that at least till humans can be reprogrammed this law will create more victims for the victim support industry. It is highly unlikely that this is an accident. Hundreds of thousands of jobs depend upon staying near the front of the line for government money hand-outs, having more victims to minister to cant hurt in years going forwards.

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@BillRM,

The fact you regard consent as "silliness" says it all in terms of your shallow level of thinking,. Let me know how silly it is when a physician performs an unwanted colonoscopy on you without your affirmative consent. Do you want the laws to remove the need for consent in those situations too?

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This is a war on our young men and heterosexual sex on college campuses

Good grief, that's irrational hysteria. Where in the new bill does it say this bill is imposed only on male students or only heterosexuals? It makes it quite clear it applies to everyone. Or are you saying that only males, who are heterosexuals, won't be able to control themselves, or to care if their contacts are wanted, so they're more likely to violate consent?

You don't even understand the bill that's been passed. The only "silliness" are the inaccurate statements you've been making and expect others to believe.

The legislators enacted this bill to better prevent sexual assaults on their campuses--with students whose safety they do have responsibility for.

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No couple is going to be following this silliness, being so against human nature, that anytime a woman is unhappy about some sexual interaction on a college campus no matter if it is completely consensus or not she can have him thrown out of college,

That hasn't been going on before this bill and it's not going to go on now. There have been sexual assaults going on on campuses, before this bill, and hopefully there will be even fewer of them. No student has ever been able to get another student else tossed out, for any infraction of the code of conduct, just by snapping their fingers.

You would object very much if all men were regarded as rapists, but you have no hesitancy regarding all women as malicious liars about whether they were sexually assaulted or not.

All you're emphasizing is how paranoid you are about women. Your best bet, considering your degree of mistrust, is to avoid contact with them. And if you think all normal sexual contacts should be able to include sexual assaults, unwanted contacts, I'd advise all women to avoid you as well.

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@hawkeye10,

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routinely practiced homosexual sex as well

I will have to do the research but my bet before hand is that none of these college kangaroo sexual courts cases had involved homosexual sex.

In theory you are right this does apply to all sex but in practice this is aim at male heterosexuals and no one else.

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@BillRM,

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In theory you are right this does apply to all sex but in practice this is aim at male heterosexuals and no one else.

Any lesbian who straps on the strap on is in the same legal hell hole that men are in. Presumably that will convince them to do away with the fake dick, and drive the message that all dicks are evil.

You gotta hand it to the feminists, they think their moves through. Their record of winning almost every battle against men is the result. But they are greedy, they will go too far and destroy themselves.

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@hawkeye10,

Your problem is that all the leading powerful influential "feminists" in the country are now men--starting with the President and Vice President down,.

That makes it harder to promote your BS that this is all some anti- female plot against men by a handful of inconsequential academic feminists no one has ever heard of.

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@firefly,

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Your problem is that all the leading powerful influential "feminists" in the country are now men--starting with the President and Vice President down,. That makes it harder to promote your BS that this is all some anti- female plot against men.

The feminists are long practiced at covering their tracks. "Follow the money" and their actions become clear.

Weak stupid men who refuse to stand up for right and for other men are not my problem, they are responsible for their own acts. Biden and the rest of them are no different from all the fathers who let the women run the household through intimidation, and then teach their sons to never stand up to women unless they want their balls cut off.

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@hawkeye10,

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You gotta hand it to the feminists, they think their moves through. Their record of winning almost every battle against men is the result. But they are greedy, they will go too far and destroy themselves.

They are indeed long term planners for example by using phony sexual assault surveys they had convince the society over a decade or so that we are having a rape crisis and a rape culture at the same time that reported rapes are at a 3 and a half decades plus low and where college campuses are about as safe a place as we have in this society for men or women.

Oh they also been able to limit the future usefulness of the seventy years FBI tracking of sexual crimes by changing the elements that are now being track.

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@hawkeye10,

That's because these are self confident secure men--who aren't worried about, or afraid of, women cutting their balls off. They're not afraid of women.

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@BillRM,

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Oh they also been able to limit the future usefulness of the seventy years FBI tracking of sexual crimes by changing the elements that are now being track.

Right, it was the Justice Department, not a feminist group of any kind, that updated the federal definition of rape, which had been in effect since 1927, because it no longer accurately reflected or included crimes of rape on the state level, making the rape statistics collected inaccurate and unreliable.

And since that change was made 2 years ago, reported rapes have increased, because they now include rapes on the state level.

And colleges have been trying to bury crimes of sexual assault on their campuses to improve their own images, and lower their crime stastictics, and now there is a White House initiative to address that entire situation.

You're either totally uninformed, or blatantly lying, or not very bright, because you do nothing but come up with inaccurate or misleading or deliberately distorted statements in post after post. Your credibility is zip.

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@firefly,

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That's because these are self confident secure men--who aren't worried about, or afraid of, women cutting their balls off. They're not afraid of women.

In the case of Biden and Obama they expect to never need to deal with women sexually again other than their long time mates, they have nothing personal to lose by selling men out to the feminists, and power to gain by doing so.

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@hawkeye10,

What you don't get is that these men are feminists. They're the staunchest feminists, and the most powerful, in the country.

And they don't accept it as "normal sexual relations" when it involves unwanted assaults

They just don't fit the nonsense you are trying to peddle that feminists are all man-hating females. A great many feminists are men, like Obama and Biden, who like women very much, and don't view them as a threat at all.

And that includes the majority male California legislature, that passed the new bill and the male Governor who signed the bill.

There's no evidence to believe that all these men are trying to launch an attack on other men, or would want to----that's your paranoia and fear of women.

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@firefly,

Feminists are the political side of being gender confused; males behaving like females and females behaving like males. Males are feminist because they are psychologically protecting their "inner girl". Females are feminist because they are psychologically creating their "inner power".

I really don't think people truly understand that gender confusion is a problem that is caused by someone fearing their own gender's qualities.

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@firefly,

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What you don't get is that these men are feminists

According to the portion of female feminists who believe that it is by definition possible for a male to be a feminist. Biden might live long enough to figure out that usually men are OK with the feminists so long as they agree to EVERY THING the feminists propose. End even they they are not feminists, they are men not requiring extermination.

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@hawkeye10,

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Alan Alda has an important legacy not only as an actor but also as a feminist activist. This article reexamines his star text from the perspective of his political work as a vocal and very public supporter of the Equal Rights Amendment in the 1970s, as well as explores why his name has become a culturally accepted shorthand for weak and failed masculinity. Putting these two elements into discussion, this history of Alda's politics and stardom suggests that his efforts toward equality may have always had more in common with “men's movement” philosophies than with breaking down hegemonic gender power and patriarchal social structures.

http://cameraobscura.dukejournals.org/content/26/3_78/35.short

Time for a new poster boy for the pussy whipped. Biden is perfect.

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