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The Day Ferguson Cops Were Caught in a Bloody Lie

 
 
FBM
 
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Reply Thu 27 Nov, 2014 08:21 am
@BillRM,
I have to admit that, given the published account(s), I doubt mace or pepper spray would have been sufficient. Assuming the published accounts are accurate, which I'm agnostic about.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 27 Nov, 2014 08:21 am
Lordy said it best. Something to the effect of:

Some of you people show no humanity at all.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 27 Nov, 2014 08:34 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:

Lordy said it best. Something to the effect of:

Some of you people show no humanity at all.
Its not that; its that he falsely implies that HUMANITY
has been twisted into something PERVERTED
and then he complains that we don t all join that filthy parade.

We will continue to FIGHT BACK against politically correct toxicity.
He hates that. He represents evil.
TheSubliminalKid
 
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Reply Thu 27 Nov, 2014 09:01 am
https://38.media.tumblr.com/3ca1f806af5b0aae0268156daa766ff9/tumblr_nfoz1ud6Cg1r7n729o1_1280.png
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 27 Nov, 2014 09:10 am
@TheSubliminalKid,
Tasers are un-reliable. Guns are better.
If he 'd had a taser with him, he shud still have used his gun, as he did.

All's well that ends well.
revelette2
 
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Reply Thu 27 Nov, 2014 09:10 am
@Frank Apisa,
I agree, the whole grand jury thing was a complete farce.

Quote:
On Monday, Prosecutor Bob McCulloch announced that a grand jury had decided not to indict Darren Wilson, the officer who killed Michael Brown. But that decision was the result of a process that turned the purpose of a grand jury on its head.





Justice Antonin Scalia, in the 1992 Supreme Court case of United States v. Williams, explained what the role of a grand jury has been for hundreds of years.


It is the grand jury’s function not ‘to enquire … upon what foundation [the charge may be] denied,’ or otherwise to try the suspect’s defenses, but only to examine ‘upon what foundation [the charge] is made’ by the prosecutor. Respublica v. Shaffer, 1 Dall. 236 (O. T. Phila. 1788); see also F. Wharton, Criminal Pleading and Practice § 360, pp. 248-249 (8th ed. 1880). As a consequence, neither in this country nor in England has the suspect under investigation by the grand jury ever been thought to have a right to testify or to have exculpatory evidence presented.

This passage was first highlighted by attorney Ian Samuel, a former clerk to Justice Scalia.

In contrast, McCulloch allowed Wilson to testify for hours before the grand jury and presented them with every scrap of exculpatory evidence available. In his press conference, McCulloch said that the grand jury did not indict because eyewitness testimony that established Wilson was acting in self-defense was contradicted by other exculpatory evidence. What McCulloch didn’t say is that he was under no obligation to present such evidence to the grand jury. The only reason one would present such evidence is to reduce the chances that the grand jury would indict Darren Wilson.

Compare Justice Scalia’s description of the role of the grand jury to what the prosecutors told the Ferguson grand jury before they started their deliberations:


And you must find probable cause to believe that Darren Wilson did not act in lawful self-defense and you must find probable cause to believe that Darren Wilson did not use lawful force in making an arrest. If you find those things, which is kind of like finding a negative, you cannot return an indictment on anything or true bill unless you find both of those things. Because both are complete defenses to any offense and they both have been raised in his, in the evidence.

As Justice Scalia explained the evidence to support these “complete defenses,” including Wilson’s testimony, was only included by McCulloch by ignoring how grand juries historically work.

There were several eyewitness accounts that strongly suggested Wilson did not act in self-defense. McCulloch could have, and his critics say should have, presented that evidence to the grand jury and likely returned an indictment in days, not months. It’s a low bar, which is why virtually all grand juries return indictments.

But McCulloch chose a different path.


source
TheSubliminalKid
 
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Reply Thu 27 Nov, 2014 09:19 am
https://33.media.tumblr.com/7dfbc5cf0f96b191effa10c9b82d37ad/tumblr_nfkvvyB6Tu1qmnsryo1_1280.jpg
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 27 Nov, 2014 09:34 am
@revelette2,
The prosecutor has a lot of DISCRETION and he applied it
in having Wilson address the GJ. He chose to present
the total picture, not just what he was duty-bound to do.

He did not have to present the case to the GJ at all.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 27 Nov, 2014 09:43 am
@TheSubliminalKid,
U know, Kid, no one has to join the police or the KKK to choose to defend his life
from a malicious black.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 27 Nov, 2014 09:46 am

BOTH in this case and in Travon 's case:
thay 'd have survived intact, if only thay had chosen to be polite.




I suspect that Emily Post n Dorothy Manners woud agree
that beating a police officer (possibly) to death is not polite.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Thu 27 Nov, 2014 10:06 am
@OmSigDAVID,
He applied in a complete different way than it has ever been performed, it might even be illegal, I am hoping the grand jury decision will be set aside.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 27 Nov, 2014 10:09 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Don't talk nonsense David. If anyone is embracing evil it's you. Your posts are all prompted by ideology not evidence. You've ignored every bit of evidence that doesn't fit in with your assumptions. And as always you're cheering the oppressor over the oppressed.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 27 Nov, 2014 10:10 am
@revelette2,
U think that the GJ can be FORCED to indict Wilson,
against its will ?
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 27 Nov, 2014 10:10 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
He did not have to present the case to the GJ at all.


No, he could have decided to go to trial, and let the truth come out.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 27 Nov, 2014 10:19 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
Don't talk nonsense David. If anyone is embracing evil it's you.
Your posts are all prompted by ideology not evidence.
WHAT evidence???????


izzythepush wrote:
You've ignored every bit of evidence that doesn't fit in with your assumptions.
WHAT evidence???????



izzythepush wrote:
And as always you're cheering the oppressor over the oppressed.
Oppressed from robbing tobacco stores
or oppressed from beating police officers for no reason?????

The decedent was on the attack in his final moments; that is dispositive.
He 'd have done the same to u or to me, but he can t any more, thanks to Wilson.

Travon and brown woud both be intact if thay had been polite.
I don t think that 's asking too much.
(Polite is defined as not beating anyone.)

I wonder how many of those protesters r busy protesting
the abuse of the cigar store owner who was assaulted n robbed by brown???





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 27 Nov, 2014 10:22 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:
He did not have to present the case to the GJ at all.


No, he could have decided to go to trial, and let the truth come out.
Izzy, u can t be tried for a felony without an indictment.
Miller
 
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Reply Thu 27 Nov, 2014 10:30 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

The only way to get to the truth is through a trial.


That's what our old football player, O.J. Simpson said.

He was guilty as hell and every American knew it, who had an IQ over 90.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 27 Nov, 2014 10:45 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
izzythepush wrote:
You've ignored every bit of evidence that doesn't fit in with your assumptions.
WHAT evidence???????


http://able2know.org/topic/252068-46#post-5826037
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 27 Nov, 2014 10:46 am
@BillRM,
As a kid wearing eyeglasses, I was picked on plenty of times, and I fought them no matter how big they were, because I learned early on that once you fight them, they stop tormenting you. Even my report card said "I fight too much." Had my share of bloody noses, but that was nothing compared to the harassment.

How would you know, chicken hawk? Yea, I fought with some bigger kids, but they never had guns.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 27 Nov, 2014 11:18 am
@cicerone imposter,
I found this link in this morning's newspaper in the Editorial pages that speaks to racism in America. It's a good article.
https://web.stanford.edu/class/e297c/poverty_prejudice/mediarace/howracism.htm

Some of the racial bigots on this thread will never understand.
 

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