The Day Ferguson Cops Were Caught in a Bloody Lie

@giujohn,

giujohn wrote:

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I am perfectly willing to call it suicide by cop

YUP

where do you stand on this quote from me?

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Here is the thing though, lets say you are right and lets say that all of those of us (including me) who say that the justice system is completely fucked up and that the cops are overly brutal and militaristic and kill way too many people ..........lets say......a lot of ******* cops are way brutal, we are going to turn on a dime and say that this is not OK and Destroy Officer Wilson? Have you heard of the word Capricious? OK, doubtful...but go look it up. And are you ******* kidding me?? He was trained to be that way. a lot of his office team is that way, but this is his fault? This is exactly like blaming Lynndie England for the abuse of the prisoners at Abu Ghraib that George Walker Bush POTUS 46 approved and probably ordered. Get real. And remember that we like to think we are just people (like Justice)

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@hawkeye10,

Offering up this dedicated innocent police officer as sacrificial lamb for the sake of political expediency is obscene. Like wise, destroying a good cop for the mistakes of some long ago is patently unfair. Its bad enough this honest dedicated cop will no longer be in a position to protect the citizens of Ferguson or any other jurisdiction but when people complain about bad cops remember...you all just lost a good one.

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@giujohn,

giujohn wrote:

Offering up this dedicated innocent police officer as sacrificial lamb for the sake of political expediency is obscene. Like wise, destroying a good cop for the mistakes of some long ago is patently unfair. Its bad enough this honest dedicated cop will no longer be in a position to protect the citizens of Ferguson or any other jurisdiction but when people complain about bad cops remember...you all just lost a good one.

You have no idea if that is true or not...so you should not be asserting it as fact.

The jury merely found that there was not enough evidence to indict him.

They most assuredly did not pronounce him "dedicated" "innocent" or a "lamb." Nor were they able to determine that he was a "good" cop.

He may be...he may be anything but. But your declarations on these items are nothing but your personal (and rather biased) opinions.

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@Frank Apisa,

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The first two persons to suggest Brown had his hands up...or at least in a position of surrender...WERE WHITE!

The FIRST two Gracie???

If you read the testimony of a BLACK witness at GJ he tells of how several BLACKS at the scene were encouraging others to say the police officer executed the criminal for no reason. I'm taking about those who said the cop shot the criminal in the back. I'm talking about those who said the police officer pumped 2 bullets into the criminals head as he lay on the ground.

I'm talking about MY OWN EXPERIENCE where by black perfect strangers have tried to physically pull a criminal away from me when trying to affect an arrest of another black.
I have never seen any other race do that. NEVER. And to bring it to light I'm a racist??? BULLSHIT. I calls em as I sees em. If you are too apologetic and unreasonably sympathetic to see it that's your guilt trip. If you want to vacuum your conscience go contribute to the United Negro College Fund or the NAACP.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

Police in car chases are instructed to do just that...INSTRUCTED...so as not to endanger people. Wilson could have let Brown go...and Brown could easily have been picked up without shooting him to death later. He was, as so many have noted, a very large, easily noticed guy.

Y??? This was not a car chase.

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@giujohn,

giujohn wrote:

Offering up this dedicated innocent police officer as sacrificial lamb for the sake of political expediency is obscene. Like wise, destroying a good cop for the mistakes of some long ago is patently unfair. Its bad enough this honest dedicated cop will no longer be in a position to protect the citizens of Ferguson or any other jurisdiction but when people complain about bad cops remember...you all just lost a good one.

OK, but the major point is the that in my opinion the political bosses have OKed the type of policing we have, just one example is all of the buying of military assault weapons and armored vehicles for cops, and that the people have consented to this type of policing through silence. You dont take one event out of that context and string up a cop for doing what he was trained to do. If we the people have a problem with this kind of policing then we should not take out our anger on Officer Wilson because that is increadibly unjust, we take it out on his political bosses. And we look at our own behavior up till now.

Are you willing to dispute my assertion that cops tend to act sadistically, because that is what they have been trained to do?

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@Frank Apisa,

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The jury merely found that there was not enough evidence to indict him.

Nope...wrong again. The GJ job is to find PROBABLE CAUSE to hold over for trial. And that is a VERY low threshold. If 12 experienced G. Jurors couldnt find that...there was absolutely no case.

And you are right...I AM DECLARING HIM A DEDICATED GOOD COP...ALL ******* DAY LONG.

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@OmSigDAVID,

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Y??? This was not a car chase

Nor do they normally back off of a car chase it the driver trying to get away had committed a serous felony.

Somehow I can not see any cops stopping a chase of someone who had harm or try to harm a fellow officer.

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@hawkeye10,

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Are you willing to dispute my assertion that cops tend to act sadistically, because that is what they have been trained to do?

Sorry hawk...I do not agree that the majority of cops are sadistic.

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@BillRM,

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Nor do they normally back off of a car chase it the driver trying to get away had committed a serous felony.

Correct. The back off policy is for misdemeanors only.

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@giujohn,

giujohn wrote:

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The first two persons to suggest Brown had his hands up...or at least in a position of surrender...WERE WHITE!

The FIRST two Gracie???

If you read the testimony of a BLACK witness at GJ he tells of how several BLACKS at the scene were encouraging others to say the police officer executed the criminal for no reason. I'm taking about those who said the cop shot the criminal in the back. I'm talking about those who said the police officer pumped 2 bullets into the criminals head as he lay on the ground.

I'm talking about MY OWN EXPERIENCE where by black perfect strangers have tried to physically pull a criminal away from me when trying to affect an arrest of another black.
I have never seen any other race do that. NEVER. And to bring it to light I'm a racist??? BULLSHIT. I calls em as I sees em. If you are too apologetic and unreasonably sympathetic to see it that's your guilt trip. If you want to vacuum your conscience go contribute to the United Negro College Fund or the NAACP.

The first two persons to suggest Brown had his hands up...or at least in a position of surrender...WERE WHITE!

Two white construction workers...and it was on tape. (Cannot find it right now, but I'll look some more.)

So you can talk about your own EXPERIENCE with someone who trusts you enough to accept what you say as the truth. (That would not be moi!)

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@hawkeye10,

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Are you willing to dispute my assertion that cops tend to act sadistically, because that is what they have been trained to do?

Give me a break and in my 66 years of life I had never been treated badly by a cop.

Of course if called over to a police cruiser I would not attacked the cop or even show them any less respect that a citizen should show for the men and women who take on the task of policing the society.

Yes I am sure there are bad cops but in this case the police officer was not a bad cop.

Oh and if the poor KID had not attack the cop at worst he would had been arrested for a very minor crime.

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
Police in car chases are instructed to do just that...INSTRUCTED...so as not to endanger people. Wilson could have let Brown go...and Brown could easily have been picked up without shooting him to death later. He was, as so many have noted, a very large, easily noticed guy.
Y??? This was not a car chase.

If you are absolutely certain the best way to handle what happened here was to shoot Brown to death, David...nothing I say or explain will make any difference.

Enjoy the vicarious thrill of the kill.

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@giujohn,

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Sorry hawk...I do not agree that the majority of cops are sadistic.

So what about these sadistic practices like using citizens as ATM's for the government though excessive ticketing and forteitures without a hearing, No Knock assaults on peoples residences, and shooting at escaping possible perps either on foot or in vehicle?

These are according to you what, good people acting sadistically because they are just following orders, like the Nazi death camp workers? That argument does not work for me. I think we have sadistic policing which tends to attract sadistic people. Stringing up individual officers for doing what they have been trained to do is wrong, but we need to change how we police, lower the temperature.

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@hawkeye10,

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No Knock assaults on peoples residences,

It is the courts that grant no knock warrants and once more no the police are not perfect but in this case the man was acting lawfully in the performed of his duties and if he had not been attack the KID would be alive and even free at this very moment.

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@BillRM,

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It is the courts that grant no knock warrants

Grant is not right I think, the courts tell the officers that they should use no-knock assaults. They are following they say the intent of the lawmakers, which I argue is the root of the problem. It is our lawmakers who should be getting our anger.

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@hawkeye10,

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It is our lawmakers who should be getting our anger.

If the black community of Ferguson, who happen to be by a large factor in the majority, are unhappy with their police department I see no reason they can not address the matter at the polls instead of the streets.

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@BillRM,

You,

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If the black community of Ferguson, who happen to be by a large factor in the majority, are unhappy with their police department I see no reason they can not address the matter at the polls instead of the streets.

Proves how ignorant you really are!

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@BillRM,

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If the black community of Ferguson, who happen to be by a large factor in the majority, are unhappy with their police department I see no reason they can not address the matter at the polls instead of the streets.

I dont agree, I think street protest is required, but the message of anger that Officer Wilson will not be crucified is a complete misfire. It shows just how ignorant and unjust these people are. They should be protesting standard police practices and how fucked up the entire justice system is. Making martyrs out of people the cops have killed is more of the same. MLK used the travails of individual blacks but their stories were always intended to point to the problem. The problem was the system, the problem was in a poorly functioning collective. We have become so brain dead after all of these years of victim culture that we are incapable of moving the conversation or our actions beyond individual victims. This is like if we were to have a disease in a forest and all we could do was notice a couple of ill trees and morn over them, get angry over there condition. Maybe that lets us feel good, feel like are are good people who care, but it is not going to accomplish a damn thing in the forest. It is not going to prevent one single tree from falling.

This is America circa 2014. We used to be better than this.

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@hawkeye10,

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Prosecutors in Ferguson violated our right to an open criminal justice system.

By Dahlia Lithwick and Sonja West

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/11/ferguson_grand_jury_investigation_a_shadow_trial_violates_the_public_s_right.html

BULL. ****.

There is no right to demand that the government haul any and all citizens that we want hauled into a courtroom. There needs to be probable cause first.

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While the Supreme Court has never declared a right of access to grand jury proceedings, it has held that closure of pretrial proceedings that function like trials is unconstitutional.

Well there you go, this was a grand jury not a pre trial proceeding. Your argument sucks.

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In the end, we all got to bear witness not to a fair and open trial, but to parts of it that do not add up to openness, fairness, or justice.

You need to have a trial before you can have a open trial. This is a serious argument from a professional commentator on the law??!! They can't even get basic logic right. This shows just how desperate the left is, they are willing to look stupid by talking gibberish in the attempt to get what they want because they dont have anything else.

Because they are wrong. The mistake was made at the beginning by signing up with the mobs attempt to crucify Officer Wilson rather than talking about the systemic flaws of the justice system. This leads to trying to make arguments that have no validity in reality, like this one, that we got deprived of a non existent right to demand that the grand jury operate under the same rules as a courtrooms do.

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