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The Day Ferguson Cops Were Caught in a Bloody Lie

 
 
revelette2
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 10:34 am
@Linkat,
Have you seen the photos of Wilson right after the so called assault? He was barely bruised. Brown was a big guy.
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Miller
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 10:35 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

... I do not believe the prosecutor was trying very hard to get an indictment, in fact, I believe he was trying to get the opposite.


This is the opinion of most Afro-Americans.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 10:45 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

You can believe that if you want but I believe it was released was to bolster their position,


I do not believe the prosecutor was trying very hard to get an indictment, in fact, I believe he was trying to get the opposite.
U think thay shud try very hard to get an indictment
when thay know he is innocent!??
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Miller
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 10:47 am
@Linkat,
Linkat:

Have a great Thanksgiving! Hope you're enjoying the SNOW>>..Smile
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 10:49 am
@Linkat,
Linkat wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:


I 've seen parts of Wilson's inteview, so far; he did a good job.

I 'd question those who oppose him
to ascertain what THAY 'd have done in his place.


One thing he could have done was to just let the young man get away. Brown's companion apparently was not fleeing...and could easily have been apprehended...and determining Brown's identity for later apprehension could easily have been accomplished.

But I guess shooting the young man to death seems like a much better alternative to gun enthusiasts. They can enjoy the thrill of the kill vicariously.



For ease (although I don't like to do this as it is messy) I quoted your entire thing so you can see I did not copy and paste.

Sorry you didn't say he was trying to get away - you inferred he was fleeing by stating his compainion was not --- thus suggesting Brown was fleeing while his companion was not.

No you did not say the police office should have let him get away -- you said he could - how could he then? How can you let someone get away if he is attacking you? Again you infer or suggest that the police officer should have let him get away if you say he could have let him get away.

Now that I used your exact words does it make your arguement any better?


Yeah...it shows your entire rebuttal was nonsense.

Wilson COULD HAVE ALLOWED Brown to get away.

I hope most police officers do this in similar situation...where fairly petty crimes have been committed.

As far as the confrontation in the police car...it is just as likely that Wilson decided to reach out and grab Brown...and Brown reacted irrationally...as that Brown simply decided to dive into the police car.

We DO NOT KNOW what actually happened.

And I think that pumping a bunch of bullets into Brown was NOT the best way to handle that situation.

Still not sure what you problem is...but if you think shooting someone to death is the best way to deal with matters like this...you have that right. Let's hope you never get into a situation where that attitude seems rash...but you do not have the time to change your mind.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 11:00 am
@Miller,
Quote:
This is the opinion of most Afro-Americans.


As it was a clear case of self defend I see not reason why the state prosecutor should try to get an indictment.

Footnote it had been reported that in the state in question a police officer in fact have a right to shot a fleeing felon and as once the KID had attacked the police officer he was a felon so it would be interesting even if the KID had been fleeing instead of attacking the officer how the state could had prosecute.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 11:05 am
@BillRM,
"A fleeing felon?" What felony are you talking about? You don't kill a kid for stealing some cigarettes.
Miller
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 11:08 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

... if the KID had been fleeing instead of attacking the officer how the state could had prosecute.


According to most reports either on TV or in Print media, Mr. Brown ( the attacker) at some point-in-time did run away from Mr. Wilson, the Police officer ( who was attacked by Mr. Brown).

BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 11:43 am
@Miller,
Quote:
According to most reports either on TV or in Print media, Mr. Brown ( the attacker) at some point-in-time did run away from Mr. Wilson, the Police officer ( who was attacked by Mr. Brown).


Mr. Brown then turn and attacked the officer and even if he did not do so and ended up being shot in the back[note no wounds was in his back] the officer would had still been in his rights is dealing with a fleeing felon.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 11:45 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
What felony are you talking about? You don't kill a kid for stealing some cigarettes.


You do when you had try to killed a cop....that is a felony in every state in the union.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 11:47 am
@BillRM,
You're more ignorant than most; how did you arrive at the idea that he was trying to kill a cop? Your bigoted imagination is working on overdrive.

It seems you've never been involved in a fist fight. Have you ever played football? How about boxing?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 11:48 am
@BillRM,
You cant have citizens attacking the cops on the street even when the cops are acting wrong. There is never a valid reason to attack a cop. If they are acting wrong then make sure their bosses, the political class, fix it.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 11:56 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Wilson COULD HAVE ALLOWED Brown to get away.


You still did not explain how he could have allowed him to get away. You just keep saying he could have? Brown, from testimony, was not trying to get away so how would he? If someone is coming at you - how do you let them get away? They are not trying to get away?

Please explain how you allow someone to get away that is NOT trying to get away?

Now I can understand if you it is stated that Brown was trying to get away, but that is not what is stated. Now if you say the testimony is lying and Brown was trying to get away then that is different. Then the testimony is a lie -- evidence does not collaborate that Brown was trying to get away - ie not shots in the back.

Now if you think the evidence is incorrect and the testimony are lies -- then you should be saying so - not that the officer could have let him get away.

Logically you cannot allow someone to get away if they are not getting away.

BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 11:58 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
You're more ignorant than most; how did you arrive at the idea that he was trying to kill a cop? Your bigoted imagination is working on overdrive.


Trying to seize the cop gun while the cop was in the patrol car is a damn good indication of his intend to murder the cop.

Quote:
It seems you've never been involved in a fist fight. Have you ever played football? How about boxing?


Never been in a fight with a cop and even assaulting a cop to the degree the KID did without any need for him to had try to seized the cop gun as he did is a felony.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 12:00 pm
@BillRM,
If the cop had just let him go, then arrest him later with more assistance, all that happened could have been prevented. There was no real cause for anyone to be chased by a cop.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 12:04 pm
@Linkat,
Linkat wrote:

Quote:
Wilson COULD HAVE ALLOWED Brown to get away.


You still did not explain how he could have allowed him to get away.


I do not have to. He could have allowed him to get away. Just not chase after him.

Quote:
You just keep saying he could have?


No, I do not "keep saying that"...but you are insisting that I continue here. If Wilson wanted him to go...he could have let him go. Or he could just shoot him to death, which obviously is what he opted for.


Quote:
Brown, from testimony, was not trying to get away so how would he? If someone is coming at you - how do you let them get away? They are not trying to get away?


You do not KNOW that he was not trying to get away. You are using that argument to justify your position.

I do not know if he was or not...but if he was...Wilson could have just let him go.


Quote:
Please explain how you allow someone to get away that is NOT trying to get away?


I do not have to...because he may have been trying to get away.

Quote:
Now I can understand if you it is stated that Brown was trying to get away, but that is not what is stated. Now if you say the testimony is lying and Brown was trying to get away then that is different. Then the testimony is a lie -- evidence does not collaborate that Brown was trying to get away - ie not shots in the back.


I have not said anything about lying...and I would not, BECAUSE I DO NOT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. Do you want that enlarged so you can finally read it?

Quote:
Now if you think the evidence is incorrect and the testimony are lies -- then you should be saying so - not that the officer could have let him get away.


Quote:
Logically you cannot allow someone to get away if they are not getting away.


You shouldn't really speak to logic, Link.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 12:05 pm
It is clear that people here are going to keep blaming the police no matter what facts are presented. Brown was being held accountable for what he did. Why didn't Brown simply surrender?

The accountability should go both ways. It doesn't here. Someones color doesn't make them thugs, what they are taught does. Again the officer broke no laws. Brown did.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 12:10 pm
@BillRM,
Oh for the complete record I had gotten into a few naked wrestling matches with a cop I was once dating but that is hardly attacking a cop in his or her patrol car. Wink

Come to think of it she never even used her handcuffs on me damn it!!!!! Drunk
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 12:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
If the cop had just let him go, then arrest him later with more assistance, all that happened could have been prevented. There was no real cause for anyone to be chased by a cop.


Perhaps you should get to rewrite the procedures every police department in the nation follow but until then he followed his training and the responsibilities for the bad outcome was not with the cop.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 26 Nov, 2014 12:38 pm
@BillRM,
No; that's not necessary. It takes only common sense. A cop with a gun is always the first to draw their gun - many times uncalled for.

Do you understand why white cops shoot Black kids most often?

A cop doesn't need to gun to detain a teenager who has not committed a felony.
 

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