The Day Ferguson Cops Were Caught in a Bloody Lie

@revelette2,

My take is they did this to be transparent - knowing this is a very emotional case, they wanted the public to see all the evidence.

What is wrong with displaying all the evidence? I would think a kangaroo court would be the opposite - one in which all the evidence is locked up and the public unable to see.

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@CoastalRat,

You wrote,

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. He was killed because instead of getting out of the street as the officer told him to do,....

which is more stupid for killing a kid.

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@Linkat,

Linkat wrote:

You make some excellent points.

This comment makes no sense...

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One thing he could have done was to just let the young man get away.

The young man was going at the officer as coastal rat stated- was the officer supposed to allow him to be beaten? The young man was not trying to get away.

We do not KNOW that the young man was "going at the officer." We honestly do not know that...and the testimony on that appears to have been ambiguous and conflicted. The testimony about whether or not he was trying to "get away" also appears to have been also ambiguous and conflicted. We really have to wait until after everything is released...and carefully inspected before asserting that things had to be one way or another.

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Although I feel sympathy for the parents of this young man - I agree with Coastalrat - I feel little sympathy for the young man. If we allow individuals to attack police officer all criminals will. This is not a matter of black vs white - it is a matter of a young man attacking a police officer and the appropriate response.

No one here...ABSOLUTELY NO ONE HERE...is advocating allowing individuals to attack police officers.

NO ONE!

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Funny before I heard the final outcome with the evidence presented, I was actually in support of charging the officer. As I believe an officer should have the proper training where they should not be shooting unless absolutely necessary.

Unfortunately after hearing the evidence - the result makes sense.

Whether the results make sense or not...the results are the results. And I have said all along, I will accept the results. But for you to suggest that "just let the young man get away" makes no sense...makes no sense!

Police in car chases are instructed to do just that...INSTRUCTED...so as not to endanger people. Wilson could have let Brown go...and Brown could easily have been picked up without shooting him to death later. He was, as so many have noted, a very large, easily noticed guy.

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@Linkat,

Altercations with a cop doesn't deserve to be shot 12 times!

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@FBM,

Sorry when people livelihoods are being looted and burn down that is not constitutional protected rights of protest.

No problem with the peaceful protests of the Vietnam era however I do have a problem with those who did things like plant bombs at recruiting centers.

The black citizens of Ferguson can have any local government and police department they care to vote in being the majority of voters however I do not think that the middle class black citizens would care to allowed 300 pounds "KIDS" of any color stealing at whim and not having their police department challenge such KIDS for fear that it they are attacked by those KIDS and need to defend themselves they will be charge.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Altercations with a cop doesn't deserve to be shot 12 times!

As many times as needed to stop the threat to the officer safety be that one time or a hundred times.

The KID did not break off his attacked until the last shot into this head.

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@BillRM,

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Sorry when people livelihoods are being looted and burn down that is not constitutional protected rights of protest.

You'll never understand human nature. The WATTS riots was only one of many riots after Rodney King was mistreated by the cops. Over $1 billion in damage happened back then.

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@Linkat,

What is wrong is that they are not supposed to try the whole trial in a Grand Jury. You are only supposed to present enough evidence indict charges. You are not supposed to release the transcripts or the evidence. It is all unethical, perhaps illegal. It seems more like Brown was on trial and the prosecution was the defending defense for Wilson and the released evidence to support their actions.

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@Frank Apisa,

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The testimony about whether or not he was trying to "get away" also appears to have been also ambiguous and conflicted.

You stated he was trying to get away and the police officer should have let him get away. Well now you are confirming you were incorrect and did not have that information.

In most legal cases, we do not know all the facts for 100% - juries need to infer with what evidence there is - which seems to indict the young man was not running away or trying to get away.

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@Linkat,

It would have been better to let him get away, then arrest him later for any laws he broke. Killing him was not necessary. Believe it or not, that kid had parents, family and friends.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Police in car chases are instructed to do just that...INSTRUCTED...so as not to endanger people. Wilson could have let Brown go.

Please explain to me how Wilson could have let Brown go if Brown was attacking him?

The case per the results of the jury is that is what the jury believes or at least there is not enough evidence to support otherwise. In a grand jury you are not determining guilt or not guilty - you are determining if there is enough evidence to charge some one.

There must be no evidence to support that Brown was trying to get away as you just assume without any support -- you are simply assuming Brown was trying to get away.

If he was trying to get away, I agree - but there is no evidence supporting this. And the evidence and testimony to the opposiste. You are making up facts to support what you want. You can convict someone because you think he did something - the whole idea of our system is not guilty until proven.

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@cicerone imposter,

It does if the individual is still coming at him. And a large man this can happen.

I, personally know of a situation where an innocent man was charged with manslaughter. He was helping a woman friend move out of her ex's place. A very large jealous man. They went to the house when they thought he would not be around. The man showed up and starting attacking this innocent guy just trying to help a friend - this man shot at him several times and the enraged ex kept going after him - he was eventually found not guilty - but was charged because of shooting so many times - like you claim above.

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@cicerone imposter,

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You'll never understand human nature. The WATTS riots was only one of many riots after Rodney King was mistreated by the cops. Over $1 billion in damage happened back then.

So we did have large scale unlawful behaviors and that does not made it moral or lawful or something we should not used the state police powers to stop.

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@revelette2,

I agree - but I believe they did this again to be as transparent as possible because of the emotional state of this case.

Think if they did not show all the evidence with the same result the uproar would be they didn't provide all the evidence and so the cop got away with it - or if they didn't make it public everyone would say what are they hiding?

I am not sure the true legality of it - if it is not legal, then it should be dealt with appropriately - but I believe the intent was to avoid as much as an emotional reaction as possible by making things open to all.

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@Linkat,

Linkat wrote:

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The testimony about whether or not he was trying to "get away" also appears to have been also ambiguous and conflicted.

You stated he was trying to get away...

Actually...I did not! Read what I actually said…and you will see that I did not.

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...and the police officer should have let him get away.

I did not say that either.

Don't you know how to use the quote function...so that you do not have to invent stuff and then argue against what you invent.

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Well now you are confirming you were incorrect and did not have that information.

No...you are the one who is incorrect. Which is probably why you are misrepresenting what I said.

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In most legal cases, we do not know all the facts for 100% - juries need to infer with what evidence there is - which seems to indict the young man was not running away or trying to get away.

And there is other evidence which infers he was trying to surrender. I am willing to accept the jury decision, but it is not clear that the jury thinks Brown was charging at Wilson.

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@Linkat,

Linkat wrote:

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Police in car chases are instructed to do just that...INSTRUCTED...so as not to endanger people. Wilson could have let Brown go.

Please explain to me how Wilson could have let Brown go if Brown was attacking him?

You are assuming that Brown was attacking Wilson...I am not in what I wrote. I was merely giving one possible scenario that David asked for.

What is it with you?

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The case per the results of the jury is that is what the jury believes or at least there is not enough evidence to support otherwise. In a grand jury you are not determining guilt or not guilty - you are determining if there is enough evidence to charge some one.

I am doing no such thing. Are you sane? Can you read English?

Quote what I am saying and comment on that. Stop making nonsense up and pretending that I said it.

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There must be no evidence to support that Brown was trying to get away as you just assume without any support -- you are simply assuming Brown was trying to get away.

I have not assumed that. But it is one of the possible things that happened. You are assuming he was not trying to get away.

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If he was trying to get away, I agree - but there is no evidence supporting this.

You mean except for the testimony of several witnesses????

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And the evidence and testimony to the opposiste. You are making up facts to support what you want. You can convict someone because you think he did something - the whole idea of our system is not guilty until proven.

Wake up. When you are...post again and I will try to deal with you. You are so far off base here, I hardly know where to begin.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Sorry when people livelihoods are being looted and burn down that is not constitutional protected rights of protest.

No problem with the peaceful protests of the Vietnam era however I do have a problem with those who did things like plant bombs at recruiting centers.

The black citizens of Ferguson can have any local government and police department they care to vote in being the majority of voters however I do not think that the middle class black citizens would care to allowed 300 pounds "KIDS" of any color stealing at whim and not having their police department challenge such KIDS for fear that it they are attacked by those KIDS and need to defend themselves they will be charge.

I agree that the protests should be more peaceful, but I also think that, nationwide, the police treatment of minorities should be more peaceful, equivalent to the treatment that they provide to those of the more priveleged classes. Life-threatening force used as a last, not first, response. Again, I emphasize that the ongoing protests are not about a singular event, but about a nationwide trend in which a black person is disproportionately more likely to be brutalized by police than their white counterparts, even when the apparent circumstances are equivalent with regards to potential threats to officers' safety.

Also, I don't think the citizens of Ferguson have any more vote on who gets to be a police officer in their city than in any other city in the US. Police officers are not elected.

Lastly, I recall a news story that claimed that the theft of cigarettes (cigars? cigarillos?) hadn't even been reported by the time of the incident. Has that been corrected? If so, I missed that update. (No sarcasm in that. I genuinely don't have that information.)

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

I 've seen parts of Wilson's inteview, so far; he did a good job.

I 'd question those who oppose him
to ascertain what THAY 'd have done in his place.

One thing he could have done was to just let the young man get away. Brown's companion apparently was not fleeing...and could easily have been apprehended...and determining Brown's identity for later apprehension could easily have been accomplished.

But I guess shooting the young man to death seems like a much better alternative to gun enthusiasts. They can enjoy the thrill of the kill vicariously.

For ease (although I don't like to do this as it is messy) I quoted your entire thing so you can see I did not copy and paste.

Sorry you didn't say he was trying to get away - you inferred he was fleeing by stating his compainion was not --- thus suggesting Brown was fleeing while his companion was not.

No you did not say the police office should have let him get away -- you said he could - how could he then? How can you let someone get away if he is attacking you? Again you infer or suggest that the police officer should have let him get away if you say he could have let him get away.

Now that I used your exact words does it make your arguement any better?

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@Linkat,

You can believe that if you want but I believe it was released was to bolster their position, I do not believe the prosecutor was trying very hard to get an indictment, in fact, I believe he was trying to get the opposite.

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@FBM,

An innocent Black man was released from prison after serving 39 years behind bars because a kid witness targeted him as the criminal. University laws students researched his case and found the guy who lied about seeing him commit the crime. He was to serve life in prison.

More Blacks serve prison time for the same crimes whites commit. This problem has been on-going for too long in this country.

White bigots will never 'get it.'

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