The Day Ferguson Cops Were Caught in a Bloody Lie

@izzythepush,

I'm not playing the victim and I didn't claim victim status. I only claimed the pilgrims left England because of the intolerance of those in England of the time. I only said it was no different to the intolerance people such as yourself have for different opinions. The fact I pointed out YOUR liberal lack of intolerance for others and claim you don't know the meaning of the word.

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@Baldimo,

I'm intolerant because I don't tolerate racists I get it.

I'm not a Liberal. I have never voted Liberal in my life.

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@izzythepush,

Hey, I didn't know that. (I'm not kidding, I learned about the pilgrims in something like 5th grade, yes, in catholic school, Chicago area.) I read a lot, even now, about a lot of subjects and situations, but some of that is skimming that only passes my brain pan (as we used to call it) once and doesn't stick.

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@ossobuco,

When I was at primary school I thought The Sword In The Stone was true.

Our own myths are very comforting, the truth is often a lot bloodier.

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It's funny, I think they're still teaching about the Pilgrims as having "come to America in pursuit of religious freedom". I guess one man's freedom is another's right to burn witches and rule with an iron hand.

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@izzythepush,

You don't believe in tolerance. It's ok to say so, but to say you do practice tolerance is a ******* lie. You are a liberal, you might not like the name, but that is what you are.

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@Baldimo,

You're a ******* idiot who knows nothing. You're one of the most intolerant people on A2K who takes exception when he's caught out. Remember when you had a go at all Moslems, then scared that you'd shown your true colours you pretended you meant something else.

I don't give a monkey's about your crackpot definitions. I'm not a Liberal never have been. I'm a Socialist, something outside your narrow political experience.

You are someone who espouses Fascist values. No decent person can tolerate that, look what happened last time.

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@izzythepush,

In America your view would be liberal. Cop brutality and white privilege are liberal views, here, in this country. I don't know anything about England but from an American perspective you are indeed liberal in this debate. Way liberal. Liberal is not an insult, but being left doesn't make you right either.

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@tony5732,

I'm not in ******* America am I?

After what Nick Clegg did Liberal is an insult, and you meant it as such.

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@izzythepush,

I'm the most intolerant? You are indeed a moron if you think that.

Caught out? You mean in 5 posts I said extremists and in 1 I didn't and that's an indictment of my person. No it shows that you are a terrorists sympathizer who jumps on people for a single post, regardless what other posts had said, and make that about their entire person. You are a weak ass pussy who can't stand other people thinking differently than you. Do the world a favor and pull your liberal head out of your liberal ass and think about some things.

Fascist values? You are going to have to expand on that one. I know you won't because you have nothing but your stupid ass lame liberal opinion about what you THINK I say and mean. You along with Rabel have NEVER been able to prove that I lie, and every time you are challenged about it, you resort to name calling.

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@izzythepush,

Actually I don't know who nick Clegg is, except what I just Googled because you said that. But yes, he is listed as a liberal Democrat. The people on your side in this debate are also mostly liberal and Democrat. And yes, that is one of my points. You are NOT IN ******* AMERICA. You don't have knowledge from personal experience living here and your news does not cover half the the information you would need to have an informed opinion of American racism and or American police brutality.

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Black Lives Matter activists have released a 10 point plan to address abuses by US police forces after critics said that the group has lacked direction.
The plan, called "Campaign Zero", urges policy changes and proposes laws on federal, state and local levels.
Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton recently met with activists and urged practical steps.
Pressed for her solutions, she called on the group for a plan instead.
"I don't believe you change hearts, I believe you change laws," she said
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The plans calls for:
Ending "broken windows" policing, which aggressively polices minor crimes in an attempt to stop larger ones NO, we are not taking proven effective methods off the table by making them illegal.

using community oversight for misconduct rather than having police decide what consequences officers face No, the state must run the police, if you have a problem with how the police are being run then talk to their bosses

making standards for reporting police use of deadly force AND have a federal agency collect the data

independently investigating and prosecuting police misconduct. No, the state must run the police.

having the racial makeup of police departments reflect the communities they serve. No, we hire the best police we can, while making an effort to have the police force look like the community. If we become a nation of quotas for the race of the police force then then we will end up with quotas everywhere. If people want good jobs then they need to prove their value, not hiring because of the color of your skin or what sexual organs you sport.

requiring officers to wear body cameras. No, encourage. If you want this done you take it up with the police bosses, you dont make it a law. Washington already micro manages far too much. The states should not micro manage this much either.

providing more training for police officers Who says they need it? What kind of training? We already spend a ton on training, both at the front end and ongoing training, we are not made of money.

ending for-profit policing practices Cant, police have to write tickets, this demand is just nuts.

ending the police use of military equipment. This should be discouraged but should not be outlawed. Talk to the bosses of the cops

implementing police union contracts that hold officers accountable for misconduct. No, cops can already be fired for criminal wrong doing while working, if you want to fire a cop then prove criminal charges against them. Morale is already in the toilet, it is very expensive to train a cop, and we need them. Any further legal action to make it easier to fire cops will not be in our interests, all it will do is encourage the formation of mobs demanding the heads of cops. THis is a horrible idea.

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@hawkeye10,

Golly gee Hawkeye, would you consider Hillary Clinton to be a Liberal Democrat?

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@tony5732,

tony5732 wrote:

Golly gee Hawkeye, would you consider Hillary Clinton to be a Liberal Democrat?

I see her as someone who is always telling the masses "I am on your side" even as we dont believe her. Hillary, one who is almost always angling to remove power from the people and place it with the state, is going to approve depowering agents of the state? Not likely. She will mouth some of the right words for the camera but when it came down to writing laws to do it she would not. Nor will most everyone else.

I think she knows this, she directed the BLM idiots down a dark dead end alley.

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@hawkeye10,

My point is she's a liberal Democrat and that's why she is dealing with BLM who are liberal democrats.

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@tony5732,

tony5732 wrote:

My point is she's a liberal Democrat and that's why she is dealing with BLM who are liberal democrats.

I dont think so, I think she wants to embrace them on stage to help get out the black vote, but that she does not believe in their cause, and knows that the vast law changes that they are now demanding dont have a chance in hell of ever happening. She also knows that she will not be getting pushback from those who might vote D for taking the black victim story several steps too far, her base eats this nonsense up.

They got handled.

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@hawkeye10,

You are right actually. Trump is doing the same thing but on the other side. I was trying to tie in this left, liberal, Democrat, BLM thing so Izzy could understand why he is being called liberal. But yeah Hillary is just swinging for BLM votes and she knows she isn't getting conservative support anyway. Just like Trump is saying lots of things because he knows he will not get liberal support anyway.

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@tony5732,

I dont think Trump is doing the same thing, When he says that we should throw all illegal foreigners out of the country I think he believes it, though he knows that it will never happen. Hillary on the other hand will say that she believes in the BLM demands even though she does not, knowing that it will never happen.

Big Difference. One is honest, one is not.

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@hawkeye10,

I'm with you on Trump. I don't know if I am convinced about Hillary lying about believing in BLM though. What makes you think that?

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@tony5732,

tony5732 wrote:

I'm with you on Trump. I don't know if I am convinced about Hillary lying about believing in BLM though. What makes you think that?

She is always for government power. She is never on our side. She is all bought into the black victim story dont get me wrong, but she never will be in favor of removing power from the government for any reason. She can consistently be seen on the side of demanding more power for government.

EDIT: I also dont think she cares much about dealing with police abuse of power, how many times have I heard her speak on this over the last 40 years? Zero is the answer. And I dont think that solving it interests her, she just wants it as a campaign issue to bash R's with, to get out the black vote. If the blacks get her into office then she will let them down, just as the D's usually do.

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