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Interesting characters on a2k

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 12:25 pm
@neologist,
neo, They are personal opinions based on what we read and see in the media and human rights organizations.

Since there are always two (or more) stories to every conflict, we must express our opinions in the best way we know how with the back drop from what we learn almost daily from the media.

I care that all humans have equal rights. Some believe Israel was given to the Jews by god, and they have every right to steal Palestinian lands and to kill them at will. Their killing of so many innocent children is a human sickness that cannot be ignored. I don't care what 'god' gave them.

Germlat
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 12:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Yep...many hold your opinion and hold it as a worthy cause to acknowledge. Give it time and all the sheep will consent.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 12:33 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
There was one lady here for a while who confessed that she and her mate were in disagreement about the whole bedroom thing. The way they resolved it was to put a bagel in the toaster with the handle jammed so it wouldn't release and then waited for the fire alarm to go off, then they'd quit that thing they were doing.

The ol' bagel in the toaster trick.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 12:36 pm
Neo's point may be that there are now many threads out there on this subject, filled with myriad points of view, but this thread on characters at a2k is diverted.

(I'm no diversion disliker as I'm often the one doing it, though usually not for long, but.... a zillion threads aren't enough?)
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neologist
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 12:43 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
. . . Some believe Israel was given to the Jews by god, and they have every right to steal Palestinian lands and to kill them at will. Their killing of so many innocent children is a human sickness that cannot be ignored. I don't care what 'god' gave them.
Well, you've hit on yet another way in which political forces have teamed with an opportunistic priesthood to feather their respective nests. I just figured this as weave and warp for another thread
Kind of surprised to see it here.
BTW, I find you an interesting character, CI.
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 12:59 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

The attacks will end when the Palestinians properties are returned, gain equal legal rights and freedoms, and live like real humans in the land of Israel.


My guess is the attacks will end when or if there is no more Israel. On of the reasons they hate America is that we are occupying their "Holy Lands". What if that is a reason for hating Israel?


Precisely. The Palestinian leadership (Hamas etc.) has made it clear that their aim is not recoup any real estate but, rather, to destroy Israel as a geopolitical entity. Honoring Palestinian claims to property is hardly likely to end Palestinian aggression.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 01:00 pm
And for goodness sake, let's not forget Ost Gunny Gunnerson. If I'm not mistaken, he was the only Norwegian yodel-master to arrive here. This was before google-translator so we never knew what his yodels meant but they were beautiful. He loved deep-fried bubble gum (encountered it on a business trip to Lubbock, Texas) and the smell of creosote.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 01:08 pm
@Ticomaya,
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The ol' bagel in the toaster trick.


Ingenious, isn't it.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 01:43 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
he Jews of Israel are terrorists out to diminish the Palestinian population and living space.


LOL if that is their desire they sure are not doing a good job of it as the Palestinians have some of the highest population growth rate on the planet with the average age of 14 repeat 14 on the Gaza strip.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 02:27 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

"They was found not guilty....." was the massacre of the English language that stuck until now. Mr. Green


Earlier, ci wrote:

"Interesting" refers to people who post on a2k who peaks our interest because of all the reasons we find interesting.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 02:39 pm
@BillRM,
Do you understand anything about logistics?
Quote:
The Water Crisis in Gaza

— Alice Gray

THE POLITICAL RHETORIC and frequent violence of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict often serve to mask underlying environmental issues which, if not resolved, may pose an even greater threat to the well-being of the Palestinian population than the guns and bombs of the military occupation.

Environmental degradation threatens to undermine the viability of any future Palestinian state and create conditions that will make life in many parts of the Palestinian Territories impossible. Many environmental problems are accelerated and exacerbated by occupation practices, which prevent effective environmental management. This problem is particularly acute in Gaza in relation to the water resources and the ongoing military conflict.

The roots of Gaza’s water problem lie in the over-population of the area, due to a high influx of refugees in 1948, when approximately 200,000 people fled to Gaza from the Jaffa and Beersheva areas of what is now Israel, following Israel’s War of Independence. The original population of the Gaza Strip at that time was 80,000 people, thus this represented an increase of some 250%. Today, over thre


From Wiki.
Quote:
Gaza Strip
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 1994, Israel granted the right of self-governance to Gaza through the Palestinian Authority. Prior to this, Gaza had been subject to military occupation, most recently by Israel (1967–94) and by Egypt (1948–67), and earlier by Great Britain (1918–48) and Turkey when Gaza had been part of the Ottoman Empire. Since 2007, the Gaza Strip has been de-facto governed by Hamas, a Palestinian group claiming to be the representatives of the Palestinian National Authority and the Palestinian people. Gaza forms a part of the Palestinian territory defined in the Oslo Agreements and UNSC Resolution 1860.[3]

Gaza has an annual population growth rate of 2.91% (2014 est.), the 13th highest in the world, and is overcrowded.[4][5] There is a limited capability to construct new homes and facilities for this growth. The territory is 41 kilometers (25 mi) long, and from 6 to 12 kilometers (3.7 to 7.5 mi) wide, with a total area of 365 square kilometers (141 sq mi).[6] As of 2014, Palestinians of the Gaza Strip numbered around 1.82 million people.[5] The large Palestinian refugee population makes it among the most densely populated parts of the world.[7] Sunni Muslims make up the predominant part of the Palestinian population in the Gaza Strip.


In other words, the land mass, water supply, and construction of new places to live are the constraints against more population growth.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 02:59 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
In other words, the land mass, water supply, and construction of new places to live are the constraints against more population growth.


LOL when you have that kind of population growth it can not be maintain anywhere on earth for more then a few generation but that is no one else concern but the idiots who are outgrowing their own resources.

The Palestinians you was just crying about being wiped out by the mean evil Jews are in fact are in dangerous of breeding themselves into a population disaster and allowing them to full up Israel as well as the Gaza strip would only delay the problem by a slight amount.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 03:04 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:



The Palestinians you was just crying about being wiped out by the mean evil Jews are in fact are in dangerous of breeding themselves into a population disaster and allowing them to full up Israel as well as the Gaza strip would only delay the problem by a slight amount.


Ladies and Gentlemen...

...the winner!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 03:12 pm
@BillRM,
You wrote which is a total lie,
Quote:
LOL if that is their desire they sure are not doing a good job of it as the Palestinians have some of the highest population growth rate on the planet with the average age of 14 repeat 14 on the Gaza strip.


Quote:
Breitbart News ‎- by James Delingpole ‎- 21 hours ago
What I never knew is what I know now which is that those people who live in Gaza are mainly unbelievably young. The average age is 17.


Young by world standards, but when the people of Gaza cannot get sufficient water, medical care, medicine, food, and gets bombed to kingdom come, it's no wonder.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 03:26 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Young by world standards, but when the people of Gaza cannot get sufficient water, medical care, medicine, food, and gets bombed to kingdom come, it's no wonder.


The average age on the Gaza strip was given in a CBS news report as 14 or 15 years of age of course good figures is kind of hard to get in such areas of the world.

And of course the bright thing and the understandable thing to do when you are already short on water, medical care and food is to have larger families!!!!!!

It is also strange that they might not have enough food and other basic needs but they are not short of weapons of war.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 03:36 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Five point seven children per woman is incredible as an replacement level would be far less then three children per woman even given a large infant dead rate.


Quote:


http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/04/gaza-growing-population-challences.html

Gaza’s population balloons
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — Gaza schools are overcrowded with students. According to interviews Al-Monitor conducted with schoolteachers, the average number of students in classrooms reaches 40 in both public schools and those affiliated with the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNWRA), reflecting the demographic reality in the Gaza Strip.

“The population of the small Strip, whose area is 365 square kilometers [141 square miles], passed 1.865 million in March, or 5,109 people per square kilometer. Thus, the Gaza Strip is on the list of the most densely populated areas in the world,” said Riad al-Zeitouniya, the head of the Civil Status and Passport Department in the Ministry of Interior of the Gaza government, speaking to Al-Monitor.

According to Zeitouniya, the total number of births in Gaza in 2013 exceeded 56,000, while the first three months of 2014 saw more than 13,000. He added, “The increase of the population in the Gaza Strip is excessive; it is very large. Between 2000 and 2013, the number of Gazans increased by more than 687,000 people.”

A UNRWA report published in 2012 said that by 2020 Gaza’s population will reach 2.1 million, and pointed out that basic infrastructure such as electricity, water, sanitation and social services cannot keep up with the needs of the growing population. The Gaza Strip needs much more electricity, hundreds of new schools and hospitals and thousands of housing units by the year 2020.

“Gaza has become a dense urban area that is currently facing a housing units shortage estimated at about 71,000,” the report added.

Experts attribute this increase in population to the high fertility rate of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. The executive director of the Association of Family Planning and Protection, Muyassar Abu Mailaq, told Al-Monitor that the fertility rate for the people of Gaza has long been up to 5.7 children per woman. He said, “According to my work, family-planning methods in all government clinics and those affiliated with UNRWA are available. But some causes have led to increased fertility, thanks to eastern customs and traditions. Palestinian families like procreation, and they don’t consider five or six to be a large number.”

Abu Mailaq said that Gaza's fertility rate would be considered high even for developed countries with a high average income, let alone for a besieged territory suffering a blockade, extreme poverty, high unemployment and low per capita income.

Abu Mailaq warned of worsening health, marital and social problems, as well as educational problems caused by the high number of students in classrooms. There is also an absence of clear government population policies in the narrow Gaza Strip, increasing employment demands and difficult conditions.

It is worth mentioning that in Palestine, along with other Arab countries, laws limiting the number of children per family, such as those in China, are unthinkable. The issue is considered a matter of personal freedom.

Ahmed Fadel, a taxi driver in his 70s who is married to four women, told Al-Monitor that he has 22 children, the youngest of whom is a 5-month-old girl.

Along with the help of some of his adult sons, Fadel is barely able to cover the expenses of his large family, consisting of more than 55 people, including his four wives and grandchildren. But Fadel insists he likes having a large family, saying, "My father liked big families, and I have 15 brothers. Most of my relatives like to have large families. We don't like having two, three or even five. Large families are a good thing, and God will provide for us."

As for Hassan Sobh, 27, who married six years ago, he believes that having many children is not a problem, as a big family provides "protection."

Sobh, who works as a construction worker, told Al-Monitor that he wants a large family, perhaps as many as 20 children. He said, "I now have four sons. Despite the difficult economic situation facing us, I will not stop having children. I love [having children], and there is nothing preventing me from having more."

With the increased population, the proportion of poor people in the Gaza Strip has increased to about 39% of the population, according to the Palestinian Center for Statistics. More than 21% of the population lives in extreme poverty.

According to experts, the absence of population policies in the Gaza Strip and the lack of strategic plans to cope with its growth has turned Gaza’s population into a ticking time bomb. The director of Palthink for Strategic Studies, Omar Shaban, told Al-Monitor that the problem has become worse as no Gaza government — nor the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank or the international community — have put forward plans to cope with the population growth.

“Population growth,” he said, “is a bomb that can explode at any time and result in economic, social, educational and health consequences. The population in the Gaza Strip is one of the key challenges not only for the Palestinian political regime but also for the regional powers. It is a Palestinian, Arab and international responsibility. Unfortunately, not enough attention is being paid to develop solutions. There are warnings, as in the UNRWA report a year ago, and these warnings don’t propose any solutions.”

Shaban accused the Palestinian governments of excluding civil society institutions when putting together plans.

The UNRWA report concluded that in the absence of effective and sustainable remedial action and a favorable policy environment, the current challenges facing the people of Gaza will get worse. The UN expects the population to increase by 500,000 by 2020, warning the situation will get worse if action is not taken.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 04:57 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
When the borders was open they used that freedom to carry on suicide attacks that killed thousands of Jews.

Also note that the rocket attacks started in earnest after Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip and let the Palestinians have it for themselves.

(If not for the rocket attacks, there would have been a similar withdrawal from the West Bank.)
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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 05:13 pm
@Germlat,
Germlat wrote:
There are a Jews who don't agree with the genocide of ...yep...even...Palestinians.

I hope you aren't suggesting that Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinians. Such a suggestion would be anti-Semitism.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 05:20 pm
@BillRM,
Your lie,
Quote:
Five point seven children per woman is incredible as an replacement level would be far less then three children per woman even given a large infant dead rate.


From Wiki.
Quote:
Total fertility rate[edit]
2.83 children born/woman (2014 est.)


You're a liar and an ignorant one at that! The 2.83 children per woman is comparable to many of the poorer countries. Those birth rates compares to the 61st to 67th ranking by country.

The world average is 2.55 children born per woman.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 06:40 pm
@cicerone imposter,
LOL I am not a liar however you are calling not me a liar but a Mr. Mohammed Othman below a liar.

Seem odds that a man who work and live in Gaza and hold many honors one from the Palestinian Government Media Center would be either wrong or lying concerning birth rates in the Gaza Strip!!!!!!!!!

In any case CI thanks for the laugh.

http://www.al-monitor.com/files/live/sites/almonitor/files/images/authors/mohammad%20othman%20bw.jpg

Quote:

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/04/gaza-growing-population-challences.html

Mohammed Othman is a journalist from the Gaza Strip. He graduated from the Faculty of Media in the Department of Radio and Television at Al-Aqsa University in Gaza in 2009. He has received a number of Palestinian and Arab awards, including first place at the Arab Press Awards in Dubai in the category of Youth Press during its tenth session in 2011 and the Press Freedom Award from the Palestinian Government Media Center during its first session in 2011. He also received the third place award for investigative reporting of corruption cases, organized by the Media Development Center at Birzeit University and the Anti-Corruption Commission in 2013.
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